BigOrangeJetFan Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 There were a few throws that Brady would have made, but Cassell's mobility, especially on that TD to Moss were plays that Brady couldn't make. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 There were a few throws that Brady would have made, but Cassell's mobility, especially on that TD to Moss were plays that Brady couldn't make. What do you think? Yes, Brady would have beaten us. Case closed, if anyone else disagrees they're crazy. That play where Moss was wide open downfield and Cassel threw the ball 3 feet over his head, Brady makes that play to Moss in his sleep & then the game is a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 brady is not that mobile and we probably had more sacks. jets defense has struggled against mobile QBs fitzpatrick philip rivers matt cassel jemarcus russell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 If we don't have these coaches, we still win the game imo. Actually, since Brady would have kept coming, maybe we never shut it down and win by 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 I have to think Brady would have had fun with our pass defense. Then again we would have schemed him differently. It's tough to know but I'd say he would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tparich Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Hard to say..If we get some good hits on Brady early then he seems to shut down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Matt Cassell > Tom Brady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anskyruben Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 The entire game would've been different. I think if this team continues as is, they will get stronger as the season goes. If Favfre returns for a second year with a similar casty, I think we can beat Brady no problem. I don;t think people understand that it takes time for a guy like Favre to gel with his receivers. You can see the progress as the weeks go by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jared Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Maybe. I think a bigger effect would've been having Adalius or Rodney. Rodney may be slow, but I have to imagine he would've played better underneath coverage against some of those TE plays where range isn't as big of an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjfan Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 I think NE would have won with Brady. Our offense can handle them selves but our defense is crap against the pass. It probably would have been a high scoring game on both sides with our defense giving up one too many scores to win the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Yes, Brady would have beaten us. Case closed, if anyone else disagrees they're crazy. That play where Moss was wide open downfield and Cassel threw the ball 3 feet over his head, Brady makes that play to Moss in his sleep & then the game is a different story. While the answer is still yes, I would assume that under no circumstances with Brady at QB, would you find a situation in which Ahmad Carroll was lined up against Randy Moss with little over the top help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 JETS win either way... Brady does not get those killer 1st down runs... he would have been under more pressure and always plays a notch down under pressure... (see the Giants SB win) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetophile Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Matt Cassell > Tom BradyHaha, that's just hilarious. However, it could also be the harbinger of doom so what am I talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Yes, Brady would have beaten us. Case closed, if anyone else disagrees they're crazy. That play where Moss was wide open downfield and Cassel threw the ball 3 feet over his head, Brady makes that play to Moss in his sleep & then the game is a different story. I think it would have been a closer game in the beginning. But, the outcome would have been the same. At least in my heart it would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 My heart says no and my head says yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Ask yourself this question?? Mattie cass threw for 400 yadds and is terrible on throws on 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Brady wouldn't have had 62 yds rushing and however many 1st downs while doing it.. and guess what, we won, who cares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Yes the thing is, he wouldn't have had 400 yards or 60 rushing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Brady wouldn't have had 62 yds rushing and however many 1st downs while doing it.. and guess what, we won, who cares You know what Al, that's the bottom line...we're in first place and that's all that really matters at the end of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 with brady the pats would probably be 8-1 or so they'd have 100 more points atleast too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Yes, Brady would have beaten us. Case closed, if anyone else disagrees they're crazy. That play where Moss was wide open downfield and Cassel threw the ball 3 feet over his head, Brady makes that play to Moss in his sleep & then the game is a different story. I disagree and I'm not crazy. I honestly don't know what would happen and I have NO IDEA what gameplan on defense we would have had if Brady was at qb. It probably would have been different, so questions like this are pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 I disagree and I'm not crazy. I honestly don't know what would happen and I have NO IDEA what gameplan on defense we would have had if Brady was at qb. It probably would have been different, so questions like this are pointless. ???? Since Cass sucks at throwing the long ball....why didn't sutton take away short routes and grand canyon running lanes...inquiring minds want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 ???? Since Cass sucks at throwing the long ball....why didn't sutton take away short routes and grand canyon running lanes...inquiring minds want to know. Because, unfortunately Bob Sutton suffers from mental retardation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsMan57 Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Yes, Brady would have beaten us. Case closed, if anyone else disagrees they're crazy. That play where Moss was wide open downfield and Cassel threw the ball 3 feet over his head, Brady makes that play to Moss in his sleep & then the game is a different story. You're pretty much saying the game would have played out exactly the same and the Pats would have been in that same exact position. Maybe Brady does beat us, but how much better could he have played than Cassel? Yes, Cassel missed some easy throws, but he also had some huge runs, 67 yards rushing that killed the jets, something Brady cant do, so it all off sets eachother. The story is when the Jets offense had the pedal to the metal the Pats D had no answer for us. It would have been a different game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 You're pretty much saying the game would have played out exactly the same and the Pats would have been in that same exact position. Maybe Brady does beat us, but how much better could he have played than Cassel? Yes, Cassel missed some easy throws, but he also had some huge runs, 67 yards rushing that killed the jets, something Brady cant do, so it all off sets eachother. The story is when the Jets offense had the pedal to the metal the Pats D had no answer for us. It would have been a different game. Jets would have scored points no doubt would have been a quick game few possessions i was being sarcastic with blowout comment...Pats D blows with second string Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 I cannot believe this debate is raging forward. We won the game...who really knows the "what ifs"...it's all hypothetical BS. We're in the first place...let's enjoy the ride and hope it lasts awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Yah, I'm a Pats fan....but I do truly believe Brady would have won the game. Sure, he's not as mobile as Cassel. That's a given. But Brady has the ability to make a third read. He reads defenses better. He can actually throw left. I'm telling you - Cassel has great difficulty throwing left. I saw wide open receivers on the left side of the field throughout Thursday nites game and Cassel didn't even look that way. BTW - Cassel can throw the deep ball. He's hot and cold with the accuracy though. The deep routes were covered quite well Thursday. The Jets were giving him the short stuff. He took it. Pats have always been a short passing game team though...until last year with the Moss acquistion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 that is like asking if Joe Willie was the QB would the jets have won- live in the present and deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjfan Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Too many what-if's in this game. Lots of people are saying the Pats would have won if it hadn't been for the mistakes they made. But what about the Jets? They made plenty of mistakes that could've added points and taken more time off the clock. The dropped touchdown is the first mistake and we had to take a FG instead. The fumble at mid-field where it might have given us a first down was a huge one late in the game where we could have put the game away. A 3rd down where Favre didn't see an open Leon which made us punt. An interception right through the hands of our safety that he wasn't caught. And the prevent offense & prevent defense late in the game that pretty much invited the Pats back in to the game by throwing short and getting lots of YAC. The Jets "should" have put the game away in regulation. That prevent defense BS you can't do against the Pats because a guy like Wes Welker will take you right down the field in 3 plays. Which he did along with MC getting room to run. Plus changing how they covered Randy Moss on the very last play of the game as silly but we shouldn't of been in that situation in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo83 Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 What if David Harris played in the game? The defense is much better with him in the line up. That's why these what if's are silly. Injuries are part of the game period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 that is like asking if Joe Willie was the QB would the jets have won- live in the present and deal with it. joe willie woulda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 This is why I post at JN. In the "Could Pennington have won that game" thread the overwhelming sentiment was no freakin' way, but in this thread it's the opposite. With Brady maybe the Pats would have won but we don't know as the game would have been played differently, etc. You guys crack me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
war ensemble Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Can we please stop with these threads? Seriously, there's no concrete answer so why even bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain_the_foe Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Yes, Brady would have beaten us. Case closed, if anyone else disagrees they're crazy. That play where Moss was wide open downfield and Cassel threw the ball 3 feet over his head, Brady makes that play to Moss in his sleep & then the game is a different story. Well then label me crazy. We would have had a chance in this game no matter what. The whole outcome of this game would have been different if Brady would have played. We cant have "situations" that Cassell was in and then replace cassell with brady and then say that we would have won/lost the game. If Brady would have started the game would have been different. Now, how would the defense would have responded would have been at question, same for the offense. But thats an unfair question as well as an unfair response by you Mr. Suck. example. During the last 1:30 mins in the fourth qtr Mangini would not have called Prevent D with Brady in the pocket. This specifically was to test Cassells playmaking decision. We all know that Brady would have eaten up those yards just like Cassell did. The difference is that we know that Brady would have done it, so we would have played differently. Cassell had to show and prove. Oh, and if Kellen holds on to the TD that he dropped then the game would have been a different story. What type of nonesense are you talking? You making it sound like Brady has never overthrown a receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaborJet Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 I think the Pats win with Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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