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I didn't say whow as more valuable, merely that Ortiz was the best offensive player on the Sawx. There's no argument. In the playoffs, that was proven, though the playoffs have no bearing on this.

If you're gonna go that route and get all pissy about Hamilton's team not making the playoffs, arguably Longoria was more valuable to the Rays than Pedroia was to the Sawx. Heck, the only reason the Rays came back to the pack in September was Longoria getting hurt for the month. And he still put up monster total numbers for the year. Same argument might apply to Carlos Quentin, though I don't think he had as good a season as any of the above.

Ortiz did horrible in playoffs and Pedroia hit 3 homers in ACLS, not sure what was "proved' in playoffs.

Longoria was important to Rays but wasn't as important was Pedroia was to sex, when Longoria got hurt Aybar proved he could fill if anything happened to but if Pedoria got hurt you go Alex Cora who any baseball fan knows, he SUCKS.

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Gammons made a pretty compelling argument for this as well. As a Sox fan, IMHO Pedroia was the most valuable player for the team. He seemed to be the catalyst when there were big wins. Youk had an outstanding year as well and his versatility in the field allowed the Sox some flexibility with injuries to Lowell.

IMHO this why Pedroia won.

At the All-Star break the Sox had a half game lead in the division they would quickly lose and Minnesota and Texas were in the thick of the WC race.

Hamilton: After a dynamite first half, he hit .243 in August and the Rangers went from 4 games above .500 to 5 games under .500 in six weeks. He did proove to be the most valuable Ranger, but you need to carry your team.

Morneau: Had an awesome first half was probably the leading candidate for MVP as his team was in contention for the division. His BA dropped from .323 pre-All Star to hitting .267 after the All Star game (.243 in September). Despite his drop, the team did stay in contention and lost the one game playoff. Not exactly the greatest resume.

Youk and Pedroia: Argument 1: Youk was consistent the entire year. His first half numbers are similar to his second half. Pedroia raised his game. He went from hitting .314 to .345. He came close to eclipsing or exceeding all his numbers in less games in the second half. Argument 2: Entering September, the Sox were 5 back in the division and 3 ahead in the WC. Youk had a bad September hitting only .275. His worst month. Pedroia hit .326 as the SOx challenged for the division and eventually won the WC.

That is not the criteria for the award. If that was the case A-Rod would have about 12 MVPs in a row.

Longoria? In the month he missed the Rays went from 2.5 games up to 2.5 games up. He missed the first Rays-Sox series which the Rays took control of the division and in the second series he was 1-9 when the Rays essentially clinched the divsion. The argument might be better if he did not hit .239 in September.

If you are going to live by the numbers, you can die by them as well.

Gammons has the Sawx logo tatooed on his ass.A very disinterested objective source you ahev there. Also keep in mind the Sawx order had Manny for half a season, Ortiz hurt but in the order for a good chunk. Are you going to tell me having Carlos Pena offers similar advantages for Longoria? What a freaking joke. Now you want to pretend Ortiz is a bum to bolster this abomination. Please!

Youk had a very good year, but in 20 or so fewer games, Longoria was just as good,arguably better. Longoria didn't come up until mid-April, and barely played at all the last 5 weeks. And Longoria was there when his formerly-crappy team built that lead over the season. This is craziness. The RSN just wants an MVP,screw everyone else.

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Gammons has the Sawx logo tatooed on his ass.A very disinterested objective source you ahev there. Also keep in mind the Sawx order had Manny for half a season, Ortiz hurt but in the order for a good chunk. Are you going to tell me having Carlos Pena offers similar advantages for Longoria? What a freaking joke. Now you want to pretend Ortiz is a bum to bolster this abomination. Please!

Youk had a very good year, but in 20 or so fewer games, Longoria was just as good,arguably better. Longoria didn't come up until mid-April, and barely played at all the last 5 weeks. And Longoria was there when his formerly-crappy team built that lead over the season. This is craziness. The RSN just wants an MVP,screw everyone else.

WTF are you talking about?

First you go on some tangent about Ortiz and just for the record, he was not the Big Papi of 2004-2007. He missed 50+ games with a wrist injury and was limited when he did play due to this.

While the overall numbers take into account Youk's 23 extra games some numbers do not lie.

BA: Youk .312 Longoria .272

OBP: Youk .390 Longoria .343

SLG: Youk .569 Longoria .531

OPS: Youk .958 Longoria .874

Please show me the 'arguably better' aspect of his season?

Longoria had a great season for a rookie and was recognized by receiving ROY.

Like the other contenders, his second half was worse then his first and he hit .239 in September. This was after missing a month and the team losing absolutely no ground in the division race.

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Hamilton was so far and away the MVP I don't even know how to comprehend this.But baseball writers are forever loving the mythical small,scrappy infielder. Pedroia is a very good player, but he isn't the best offensive player on his team, Ortiz is.

If the baseball writers are "forever loving the mythical small, scrappy infielder" how do you explain the last 20, 30, 40 or even 50 years of MVP winners?

This wasn't a Boston homer pick. You are smart enough to know that the MVP is voted on by writers around the Country.

PFSIKH has done an excellent job of providing the stats and facts.

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WTF are you talking about?

First you go on some tangent about Ortiz and just for the record, he was not the Big Papi of 2004-2007. He missed 50+ games with a wrist injury and was limited when he did play due to this.

While the overall numbers take into account Youk's 23 extra games some numbers do not lie.

BA: Youk .312 Longoria .272

OBP: Youk .390 Longoria .343

SLG: Youk .569 Longoria .531

OPS: Youk .958 Longoria .874

Please show me the 'arguably better' aspect of his season?

Longoria had a great season for a rookie and was recognized by receiving ROY.

Like the other contenders, his second half was worse then his first and he hit .239 in September. This was after missing a month and the team losing absolutely no ground in the division race.

Longoria's team beat out Pedroia's. He heped them build a lead they never relinquished. About his September stats, he played 5 games, mostly part-time, while rcovering from his injury. He also played hurt for a while before he finally went on the DL. Again, you don't discuss the difference in the lienupe they played in at all. Ask it this way-the Sawx would today right now trade Pedroia for Longoria in as long as it takes to type this, and the Rays wouldn't even consider it.And the same would have been true on April 1st, 2008, or any time druing the season.
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Longoria's team beat out Pedroia's. He heped them build a lead they never relinquished. About his September stats, he played 5 games, mostly part-time, while rcovering from his injury. He also played hurt for a while before he finally went on the DL. Again, you don't discuss the difference in the lienupe they played in at all. Ask it this way-the Sawx would today right now trade Pedroia for Longoria in as long as it takes to type this, and the Rays wouldn't even consider it.And the same would have been true on April 1st, 2008, or any time druing the season.

Why are you hating so much on Pedrioa winning the MVP? He won in a landslide and Youk took votes away from him.

BTW: Longoria received 38 votes compared to Pedrioa's 317.

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Gainzo, you know as well as most of us that are real MLB fans, that a lot of MVP winners didn't deserve it.

You are right.

Yet, other then Bugg's argument which is not supported by any proof. Who else is more desrving? This is not like a few years ago when Howard won over Pujols. Pedroia had a great season. He got better in the second half during the pennant chase. No one else mentioned did that. No one.

Why are you hating so much on Pedrioa winning the MVP? He won in a landslide and Youk took votes away from him.

BTW: Longoria received 38 votes compared to Pedrioa's 317.

He is from Boston. If I am not mistaken, Boston writer's only have two votes and every city has at least one. Yet, the highest Longoria got was a 6th place vote.

Longoria's team beat out Pedroia's. He heped them build a lead they never relinquished. About his September stats, he played 5 games, mostly part-time, while rcovering from his injury. He also played hurt for a while before he finally went on the DL. Again, you don't discuss the difference in the lienupe they played in at all. Ask it this way-the Sawx would today right now trade Pedroia for Longoria in as long as it takes to type this, and the Rays wouldn't even consider it.And the same would have been true on April 1st, 2008, or any time druing the season.

Wow. WTF did Pedroia do? Nothing?

It is funny you mention the supporting staff. Was Longoria more important then Navarro? Pena? Any of their 5 pitchers with 10 or more wins? Percevial? Their set-up mean? I am pretty sure they all helped build that lead.

You might want to check ESPN. Longoria started 16 games in September and he did not hit for $hit. Maybe, his injury hurt him. If that is the case, we can argue Ortiz for the MVP with his diminished capability due to injury right?

Again, the team did not miss a beat when he was gone from early August until Early September. In the two big series with Boston, he missed one and was 1-9 in the other.

Your man crush on him is bordering on disturbing.

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You are right.

Yet, other then Bugg's argument which is not supported by any proof. Who else is more desrving? This is not like a few years ago when Howard won over Pujols. Pedroia had a great season. He got better in the second half during the pennant chase. No one else mentioned did that. No one.

He is from Boston. If I am not mistaken, Boston writer's only have two votes and every city has at least one. Yet, the highest Longoria got was a 6th place vote.

Wow. WTF did Pedroia do? Nothing?

It is funny you mention the supporting staff. Was Longoria more important then Navarro? Pena? Any of their 5 pitchers with 10 or more wins? Percevial? Their set-up mean? I am pretty sure they all helped build that lead.

You might want to check ESPN. Longoria started 16 games in September and he did not hit for $hit. Maybe, his injury hurt him. If that is the case, we can argue Ortiz for the MVP with his diminished capability due to injury right?

Again, the team did not miss a beat when he was gone from early August until Early September. In the two big series with Boston, he missed one and was 1-9 in the other.

Your man crush on him is bordering on disturbing.

Pedroia had a great season. But your main argument seems to be Pedoria was the most valuable Boston player. Longoria for the bulk of the seaqson (after he was called up and before he was hurt) was the most valuable player on the Rays. the Rays took a lead on the Sawx they never gave up even after he got hurt. Pedroia had 726 plate appearances Longoria 508.Longoria's PAs were more impactful to his team than Pedoria to his. Pedroia bats higher in the order, so understandably he would have more. But if you give Longoria another 150 plate appearances(which were taken away by stupidity of his GM in April and injury in August and September) his numbers would dwarf Pedroia's.

Again, you Sawx fans want an MVP. Hamliton and Longoria had better seasons for their teams, Quentin possibly comparable.

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Pedroia had a great season. But your main argument seems to be Pedoria was the most valuable Boston player. Longoria for the bulk of the seaqson (after he was called up and before he was hurt) was the most valuable player on the Rays. the Rays took a lead on the Sawx they never gave up even after he got hurt. Pedroia had 726 plate appearances Longoria 508.Longoria's PAs were more impactful to his team than Pedoria to his. Pedroia bats higher in the order, so understandably he would have more. But if you give Longoria another 150 plate appearances(which were taken away by stupidity of his GM in April and injury in August and September) his numbers would dwarf Pedroia's.

Again, you Sawx fans want an MVP. Hamliton and Longoria had better seasons for their teams, Quentin possibly comparable.

Sox fans do not want an MVP. In the end it means nothing except takes up time in here.

Fair or not, a majority of MVPs come from winning teams. Hamilton had a great season especially from where he came from. His numbers were real good, but ultimately Rangers were competitve only upto the All Star break.

I would weigh guys like Youk, Pedroia and Longoria more for doing good during pennant races. If you are going to say Hamilton was the Rangers MVP, sure he was their best player and driving force. However, in the end with more plate appearances (86). His numbers were not all that much better then Youk's. His BA was lower.

I have no doubt Longoria contributed but you want to make him out to be the lone reason the Rays held off the Red Sox. Unlike Hamilton, Longoria had supporting talent and it could be said, if the Rays had a half way decent offense, they would have won the East by 10+ games because their pitching was that good.

You seem to want to make it only about numbers and as you admitted Pedroia had good numbers and also won a gold glove. In the end, the Rays managed to survive Longoria missing a month. He was not the only guy on the team.

Pedroia was the best Sox player in the second half as the team tried to catch the Rays. Manny left. Ortiz (.244) was a shell of himself. Lowell missed time to injury. Youk had a bad September. Jason Bay (.260), Tek (.183), Lowrie (.213) and JD Drew (.250) also struggled in September. Yet Pedroia continued to hit and provide outstanding hitting and defense.

Given that other people disappeared (Longoria) or were injured (Quentin and Longoria), Pedroia was consistent, hit and was a league leader in many categories along with providing Gold Glove defense.

Longoria will win an MVP someday. Most likely playing 3B for the Sox in 5 years, but he will win.

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