Mangold's Brother Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 When after week 1 when Brady went down, I stated here that he's not a great QB, but rather the system he's in is great. Most of you thought I was insane. Now look what Cassel's doing in his first year starting in Brady's place. It's the system. Told ya so! Yeah, lots of folks think Brady is one of the all time greats. I say it's the system he's been in this past decade is one of the all time greats, if not the greatest ever. We see what Cassell is starting to do now, in just his first year, and he's probably doesn't have more than average talent for an NFL qb. Just about any NFL qb would do great in this system. It may take a year or so, of course, but once they get it down, they'd all look great in this system. I'd like to see Brady on a lesser team, then you'd see how average he is. Look, he's no Favre, Marino, Elway etc. in their prime as far as physical ability and talent goes. Not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 When after week 1 when Brady went down, I stated here that he's not a great QB, but rather the system he's in is great. Most of you thought I was insane. Now look what Cassel's doing in his first year starting in Brady's place. It's the system. Told ya so! You were right but if it is any consolation you're still probably insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 So wait... The team was 16-0 last year, and went to the Super Bowl with Brady is now 7-4 and in danger of missing the playoffs with Cassell and you think you proved something? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangold's Brother Posted November 27, 2008 Author Share Posted November 27, 2008 Yes. Folks left the Pats for dead when Brady went down, and here they are nipping at our heels with a so so qb in his first year, who has happened to throw 2 straight 400 yarders. You could put just about any NFL qb in that system with that offense and he would do great. Don't be surprised if they end up 12-4. It's the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 So wait... The team was 16-0 last year, and went to the Super Bowl with Brady is now 7-4 and in danger of missing the playoffs with Cassell and you think you proved something? Really? They lost parts on D and O... its not the same team. Not to mention they had to start over with a new QB who now is playing crazy just like Brady did last season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Maybe Brady really sucked. I mean Cassel isn't really anything special himself, but I think he's doing more than Brady with limited experience, and without the aid of cameras too. Brady never threw for 400 yards in consecutive games, and he never rushed for 60 or whatever it was either in those games. I think it's more and more likely that they just ditch Brady...especially if Cassel finishes strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergen Jet Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 People thought I was nuts when I said they would win 7 to 9 games this year... Comparing Matt Cassell to Tom Brady proves that you probably never watch football. I hate the Pats with a passion but Tom Brady won many games for them and can make every throw a QB needs to make. Apparantly you guys forgot how bad Cassell looked in his 400 yard game against us (also forget that we controlled the game and they were playing catch up so he had to pass). If he was able to throw even an average deep ball we lose that game. He missed Randy Moss who was more open that a 7-11 on a sure TD. He didn't even see an open Moss or an open Welker on a minimum of 2 of his incompletions. I am impressed what he is doing as a first year starter and think he is good enough to start in this league... but comparing him to Brady is just so ludicrous that I am surprised that nobody is laughing you out of your own thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Maybe Brady really sucked. I mean Cassel isn't really anything special himself, but I think he's doing more than Brady with limited experience, and without the aid of cameras too. Brady never threw for 400 yards in consecutive games, and he never rushed for 60 or whatever it was either in those games. I think it's more and more likely that they just ditch Brady...especially if Cassel finishes strong. Crack kills. People thought I was nuts when I said they would win 7 to 9 games this year... Comparing Matt Cassell to Tom Brady proves that you probably never watch football. I hate the Pats with a passion but Tom Brady won many games for them and can make every throw a QB needs to make. Apparantly you guys forgot how bad Cassell looked in his 400 yard game against us (also forget that we controlled the game and they were playing catch up so he had to pass). If he was able to throw even an average deep ball we lose that game. He missed Randy Moss who was more open that a 7-11 on a sure TD. He didn't even see an open Moss or an open Welker on a minimum of 2 of his incompletions. I am impressed what he is doing as a first year starter and think he is good enough to start in this league... but comparing him to Brady is just so ludicrous that I am surprised that nobody is laughing you out of your own thread. Thank You. If Cassel shows us anything. It is how important it is to keep new QBs on the bench to learn. Granted he is in an ideal situation with great supporting talent and coaching, but none the less. How many career are bust because a QB is thrown into the fire with little chance for success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Clearly you are a genius, good luck with your NFL pro scouting job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 LOL.....Cassell could not complete a pass attempt of over 20 yds up to 2 weeks ago and I am not sure how many he has since. Maybe he grows into a very good QB but we are not remotely close to putting him in any Brady comparison. The Pats have deployed a spread the field offense right now with their RB situation in shambles. With adequate pass protection he will put up some good yardage numbers and the likes of Moss-Watson-Welker and Faulk will make any short passing QB look very good. His scrambling ability also has saved him a few times. Defenses will adjust ...especially come play-off time. Lets review Mr. Cassell again after he goes against the Steeler defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynton Beach Jets Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 I think we learn how good Cassel is when he lines up for a team without Moss,Welker and their o-line. Brady most incredible year came in 2006 when he had zero weapons and led his team to the AFC championship game. The difference between good and great in the NFL is not that much, but the difference is Brady has that special sense to know where all his weapons are at all times so he would see Moss wide open where another good QB would be on his his 1st or 2nd read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 We are still laughing at you. You judge QB effectiveness by passing yards? Do you realize how many times QBs throw for 300/400 yards, with their teams losing that game? Brady scares the pee out of defenses because he can make any throw. And often does. Cassel is not good at a lot of throws, and yes, the excellent Patriots system makes up for a lot of that. Just like it used to do for Brady until he got weapons like Moss and Welker and they found out Brady could make every throw. I know the Patriots have had other injuries, but the replacements have done very well in most cases. There is a big difference in the 18-1 Patriots of last year versus these 7-4 Patriots who have benefited from a much weaker schedule (weaker AFC and playing the NFC West). Brady is that diffference. There is no comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Clearly you are a genius, good luck with your NFL pro scouting job Of course, Jets fans are the premier evaluators of talent. LOL.....Cassell could not complete a pass attempt of over 20 yds up to 2 weeks ago and I am not sure how many he has since. Maybe he grows into a very good QB but we are not remotely close to putting him in any Brady comparison. The Pats have deployed a spread the field offense right now with their RB situation in shambles. With adequate pass protection he will put up some good yardage numbers and the likes of Moss-Watson-Welker and Faulk will make any short passing QB look very good. His scrambling ability also has saved him a few times. Defenses will adjust ...especially come play-off time. Lets review Mr. Cassell again after he goes against the Steeler defense. Great point. Cassel is a work in progress. I find it funny people drawing comparisons between Cassel and Brady's first year starting. Cassel has so much more supporting talent it is not even funny. The Steelers are a great test for him. I think he has more supporting talent so when teams start locking down the short stuff, he can still be productive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 system QB ? does that system include knowing what the defense is doing ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 We are still laughing at you. You judge QB effectiveness by passing yards? Do you realize how many times QBs throw for 300/400 yards, with their teams losing that game? Brady scares the pee out of defenses because he can make any throw. And often does. Cassel is not good at a lot of throws, and yes, the excellent Patriots system makes up for a lot of that. Just like it used to do for Brady until he got weapons like Moss and Welker and they found out Brady could make every throw. I know the Patriots have had other injuries, but the replacements have done very well in most cases. There is a big difference in the 18-1 Patriots of last year versus these 7-4 Patriots who have benefited from a much weaker schedule (weaker AFC and playing the NFC West). Brady is that diffference. There is no comparison. well put cassell can't throw deep he's going to be an overpaid schlep where ever he goes next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 It "is" the system...it's called CHEATING...don't you guys know that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Tom Brady completed passes of 40 yards or more 962 times last season. That is right 962 times. A system QB couldn't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynton Beach Jets Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Tom Brady completed passes of 40 yards or more 962 times last season. That is right 962 times. A system QB couldn't do that. I think originally Brady was a system QB when he was evolving to the player he became, but he proved he was so good they now built the system around him. Now with Cassel they went back to basics and made him a system QB. The best attribute of the Pathetics* this decade is that they are able to recreate themselves to what ever circumstance or situation they find themselves in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjetsjetsjets Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Comparing Matt Cassell to Tom Brady proves that you probably never watch football. Really, you think so? Well, maybe you never think. The fact is, its easy to compare them. Brady has been in the league for 8 or 9 years, and started pretty much every game for 7 years. On top of that, he started games in college. Cassell did not start a single game in college and hasn't started before this season a single time. Yet, somehow cassell is still managing to do what he has done. You don't think that is comparable? Do you think Brady could have done the same thing? Think, don't just watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Randy Moss Randy Moss Randy Moss It's no coincidence that Brady's stat jumped through the roof when Moss got here nor that Daunte Cullpepper's have collapsed 1 man has been on 2 of the top scoring offenses of all time, his name is Randy Moss.. The Jets & Dolphins games are a perfect example of how much Moss effect defenses regardless of what you try and do. The Jets doubled him all game and it left the underneath stuff open, Miami didn't double him and he went for 125 and 3 TD's.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Tom Brady completed passes of 40 yards or more 962 times last season. That is right 962 times. A system QB couldn't do that. 60 times a game? Damn. Come on, Max, did you really think you could slip that one by? Everybody knows it was only 902 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 When after week 1 when Brady went down, I stated here that he's not a great QB, but rather the system he's in is great. Most of you thought I was insane. Now look what Cassel's doing in his first year starting in Brady's place. It's the system. Told ya so! Guess what? We're STILL laughing at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Maybe Brady really sucked. I mean Cassel isn't really anything special himself, but I think he's doing more than Brady with limited experience, and without the aid of cameras too. Brady never threw for 400 yards in consecutive games, and he never rushed for 60 or whatever it was either in those games. I think it's more and more likely that they just ditch Brady...especially if Cassel finishes strong. I hate the Cheaters but PLEASE tell me you're joking with this. Pleeeease . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 throw in a weaker schedule helping all the AFC East teams out this year- matched against the pitiful NFC West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 60 times a game? Damn. Come on, Max, did you really think you could slip that one by? Everybody knows it was only 902 times. Let me double check my numbers and get back to you. That was an unofficial stat, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Hi ARod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 throw in a weaker schedule helping all the AFC East teams out this year- matched against the pitiful NFC West. Good call. The two weakest division in football are the AFC and NFC west. The AFC est drew both.. That's the reason no team in the east has a losing record.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 When after week 1 when Brady went down, I stated here that he's not a great QB, but rather the system he's in is great. Most of you thought I was insane. Now look what Cassel's doing in his first year starting in Brady's place. It's the system. Told ya so! Bro, I think Brady is one of the all-time greats. He was winning Super Bowls with guys like David Patten and Deion Branch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Brady had better numbers than cassell without randy moss and wes welker. He was throwing to Troy ***ing Brown as his number one guy. Brady threw 50 TDS and like 6 picks last year. Brady is the greatest QB of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangold's Brother Posted November 27, 2008 Author Share Posted November 27, 2008 Bro, I think Brady is one of the all-time greats. He was winning Super Bowls with guys like David Patten and Deion Branch. Yeah, lots of folks think Brady is one of the all time greats. I say it's the system he's been in this past decade is one of the all time greats, if not the greatest ever. We see what Cassell is starting to do now, in just his first year, and he's probably doesn't have more than average talent for an NFL qb. Just about any NFL qb would do great in this system. It may take a year or so, of course, but once they get it down, they'd all look great in this system. I'd like to see Brady on a lesser team, then you'd see how average he is. Look, he's no Favre, Marino, Elway etc. in their prime as far as physical ability and talent goes. Not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Please, please, Belichick, believe that Cassel is the real deal and trade Brady. Pretty please!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Seriously? This thread and all threads like it need to die. Tom Brady threw 50 TD's last year and the Pats offense was unstoppable, the guy has 3 SB rings another SB appearance, 2 SB MVP's and a season MVP. Yeah, but Matt Cassell is proving it's the system as he's clearly on his way to all of the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 They lost parts on D and O... its not the same team. Not to mention they had to start over with a new QB who now is playing crazy just like Brady did last season... Cassell is not playing anything like Brady. Billy Volek threw for a ton of yards as well in a few straight games. Brady had 50 TDs, an NFL record... Led the highest scoring offense in NFL history, and won every game in the regular season. On the other hand, Cassell sits poised to miss the playoffs. Even if the team lost some guys due to injury, Brady's team won by so much it didn't matter. These two players aren't even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Lol, you guys got tricked into defending Tom Brady. All that I'm going to say is that they're both overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gang_green03 Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 So wait... The team was 16-0 last year, and went to the Super Bowl with Brady is now 7-4 and in danger of missing the playoffs with Cassell and you think you proved something? Really? Why do people continuously ignore this fact when they talk about Cassell being better than Brady?? And I'll add a little more to it, this was one of the best offenses in NFL history last year and what is it now?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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