Turner or Jones

[lancemehl]

You guys remember the debate it was just about split. So who would you have taken?:

Thomas Jones or Michael Turner?

I was sold on Turner by the JN posters and one highlight.

I also thought TJ was a bum.

Now, ???????

I'd like Turner, and that's not because TJ isn't playing lights out, but I've watched every giants game and i want a brandon jacobs type to go with my leon washington.A guy who punishes LB'ers and DB's, so by the 4th quarter they are too beat up to lay a finger on neon leon

[Arsis]

I was all over the turner bandwagon. I was agreeing with Drago that the Bolts should have kept him and traded LT. But, TJ is doing fine so I really don't care. lol.

[flgreen]

TJ is doing fine, but most of the applause should go to the OL. They are playing lights out. particularly in the run game.

[CTM]

TJ is doing fine, but most of the applause should go to the OL. They are playing lights out. particularly in the run game.

Yup Yup..

Turner'd have 20% more yards then Jones in this offense imo..

[jason423]

I was against Turner simply because I figure most backups bust and figured he would fit right into that category, but hes been great this year for Atlanta. If the Jets had him he would be doing far better than Jones. That isnt a knock on Jones, who has had a great year, but there are at least 4 or 5 plays this year where a player like Turner picks up 50 or 60 and takes it to the house and Jones gets stopped at 17 or 18 yards. If Jones had any moves in the open field or was just a little faster he would have 1400 yards and 16 Tds.

[lancemehl]

I was against Turner simply because I figure most backups bust and figured he would fit right into that category, but hes been great this year for Atlanta. If the Jets had him he would be doing far better than Jones. That isnt a knock on Jones, who has had a great year, but there are at least 4 or 5 plays this year where a player like Turner picks up 50 or 60 and takes it to the house and Jones gets stopped at 17 or 18 yards. If Jones had any moves in the open field or was just a little faster he would have 1400 yards and 16 Tds.

Not only that but Turner is a Brandon Jacobs type. These guys punish DB's and LB'ers. TJ is a curtis Martin type, great, but nine yards, 8 yards a move and tackled.

Turner lowers the shoulder and knocks your a$$ out, taking that extra 3 yards, all game.

And do you know what that does for Leon, he comes in and the defense is so beat up, they can't lay a glove on him.

Props to TJ, I'd trade for Turner today. IMO

still good, though.

[Gainzo]

124 can back me up on this: I was very, very wrong about Turner. I thought he was a recipient of being the guy who backed up LDT. This season has showed me that Turner>LDT.

Jones sucked last year and is now a Pro Bowler. Its amazing how things change in a year.

[jason423]

124 can back me up on this: I was very, very wrong about Turner. I thought he was a recipient of being the guy who backed up LDT. This season has showed me that Turner>LDT.

Im not sure Id go that far. I think LT has fallen down quite a bit in everyones eyes because he is being a quitter in San Diego. He refuses to play for that coach and he just doesnt even care anymore. Maybe he wouldnt be as dominant as he was in the past, but he never would have pulled himself out of a championship game for Shottenheimer. He has been a dog for 2 years now and SD has to seriously consider moving him if they are going to keep Turner.

[JiFtheOracle]

Turner is a beast. He is just an impressive runner who has game changing speed and full back like power.

TJ is having a great year, but I would take Turner over him in a heartbeat.

[drago]

I was all over the turner bandwagon. I was agreeing with Drago that the Bolts should have kept him and traded LT. But, TJ is doing fine so I really don't care. lol.

It makes me wonder if coaches are going to start looking at RB's in terms of carries taken, years played and whatever else. Come up with a common number that you do not go past and cut ties with said player regardless of what they have meant to your franchise.

The players keep saying this is a business, so I don't know why LT and Alexander get big dollars when the GM's have to know the end is near. Each time those teams got caught with their pants down and each time it has (or in the chargers case, will) set their team back a few years.

In response to the thread, i was excited about getting Jones because i thought he was always given a bum deal at each of the teams he was on previously. Turns out i was sort of wrong, he's good with a better than average with a good o-line and below average with a bad o-line.

The guy is just an average to above average player. I'd have rather had Turner in 2008.

[madmike1]

Turner and it's not close.

[Bleedin Green]

I don't think the question is so cut and dry though. Turner looks to be the better player this season, although you'd have to be an idiot to complain about TJ this year. Turner is also the younger of the two players, so likely has a longer career ahead of him. That said, Turner plays a more punishing running style which is a good news / bad news sort of thing. You have the potential for more big plays, but the chance for injury is also greatly increased. Turner still works out as the better player, but you have to consider cost.

What SD was asking for Turner last year was a hell of a lot more than what the Jets gave up for TJ. Sure Turner was a FA this year, but there's no guarantee the Jets would've been able to get him, and its doubtful that the Jets wouldn't have drafted or traded for another player had they not gotten TJ. So the scenario of one of the other probably isn't a realistic comparison.

So the real question is, would I have given up the Jets first round pick (and therefore ability to get Revis) in order to get Turner instead of TJ? The answer would be an emphatic no.

[lancemehl]

I don't think the question is so cut and dry though. Turner looks to be the better player this season, although you'd have to be an idiot to complain about TJ this year. Turner is also the younger of the two players, so likely has a longer career ahead of him. That said, Turner plays a more punishing running style which is a good news / bad news sort of thing. You have the potential for more big plays, but the chance for injury is also greatly increased. Turner still works out as the better player, but you have to consider cost.

What SD was asking for Turner last year was a hell of a lot more than what the Jets gave up for TJ. Sure Turner was a FA this year, but there's no guarantee the Jets would've been able to get him, and its doubtful that the Jets wouldn't have drafted or traded for another player had they not gotten TJ. So the scenario of one of the other probably isn't a realistic comparison.

So the real question is, would I have given up the Jets first round pick (and therefore ability to get Revis) in order to get Turner instead of TJ? The answer would be an emphatic no.

very fair points.

TJ and Revis for Turner, no way

TJ for turner-in a NY minute

[Thai Jet]

124 can back me up on this: I was very, very wrong about Turner. I thought he was a recipient of being the guy who backed up LDT. This season has showed me that Turner>LDT.

Jones sucked last year and is now a Pro Bowler. Its amazing how things change in a year.

He certainly did NOT suck. He got 1100 yards behind an O line of which 40% are no longer playing NFL football. Jones WAS and IS a quality RB.

[Thai Jet]

So the real question is, would I have given up the Jets first round pick (and therefore ability to get Revis) in order to get Turner instead of TJ? The answer would be an emphatic no.

Couldn't agree more.

[#27TheDominator]

I don't think the question is so cut and dry though. Turner looks to be the better player this season, although you'd have to be an idiot to complain about TJ this year. Turner is also the younger of the two players, so likely has a longer career ahead of him. That said, Turner plays a more punishing running style which is a good news / bad news sort of thing. You have the potential for more big plays, but the chance for injury is also greatly increased. Turner still works out as the better player, but you have to consider cost.

What SD was asking for Turner last year was a hell of a lot more than what the Jets gave up for TJ. Sure Turner was a FA this year, but there's no guarantee the Jets would've been able to get him, and its doubtful that the Jets wouldn't have drafted or traded for another player had they not gotten TJ. So the scenario of one of the other probably isn't a realistic comparison.

So the real question is, would I have given up the Jets first round pick (and therefore ability to get Revis) in order to get Turner instead of TJ? The answer would be an emphatic no.

Exactly. After the team got caught with their pants down at RB in '06 they needed a sure thing. SD wanted a ton for Turner and even though he has a higher ceiling, TJ was more of a can't miss solid back. Say what you want about this FO/HC, but they generally do their best to solve their obvious mistakes. (Blaylock, Clarke)

[Irish Jet]

Turner is a MUCH better back but he was not worth what we'd have had to give up to get him. Jones is nothing special, he's the product of great run blocking and very rarely does he make people miss or run someone over like Turner does on most of his runs. TJ is average but that's all we need right now to have a successful running game and I have no problem pounding him away as long as we provide a good dose of our real weapon - Leon Washington.

[Matt39]

Turner is a MUCH better back but he was not worth what we'd have had to give up to get him. Jones is nothing special, he's the product of great run blocking and very rarely does he make people miss or run someone over like Turner does on most of his runs. TJ is average but that's all we need right now to have a successful running game and I have no problem pounding him away as long as we provide a good dose of our real weapon - Leon Washington.

Agreed. Jones has had a great year though. We'd still be 9-5 with either Jones or Turner.

Leon needs the rock, obviously.

[DoubleDown]

Turner, no doubt about it.

But RB's are a dime a dozen, so no big deal.

[Sperm Edwards]

He certainly did NOT suck. He got 1100 yards behind an O line of which 40% are no longer playing NFL football. Jones WAS and IS a quality RB.

If he got 1100 yards on 250 carries, then yes. When it takes over 300 carries, then that is not good.

He's solid, but there are plenty of times we need that sure yard or two to prevent punting as the game's winding down & he rarely gets it.

[124]

124 can back me up on this: I was very, very wrong about Turner. I thought he was a recipient of being the guy who backed up LDT. This season has showed me that Turner>LDT.

Jones sucked last year and is now a Pro Bowler. Its amazing how things change in a year.

While last year I was backing BOTH Turner & Jones saying for each:

Turner: Just wait, he will be a Top 5 back.

Jones: Just wait until he gets a freakin' offensive line worth a ****, which he now has and is the leading rusher in the AFC which I must admit has been better than I expected. I expected a max of 1400 yards, he may get 1500. He may. He has 1,222 right now.

And you can back me up on that one!