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I don't understand why they can't sign him to a contract that is something like 1 year, vet minimum, 15 million dollar roster bonus July 1.

If he stays on the team, Matt still gets the same money he would have under a franchise deal. It doesn't cost any extra cap space. It would allow the team to trade him. Anyone who trades for him could either renegotiate a long term deal, or pay him the 15 million.

Seems like a simple solution.

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I don't understand why they can't sign him to a contract that is something like 1 year, vet minimum, 15 million dollar roster bonus July 1.

If he stays on the team, Matt still gets the same money he would have under a franchise deal. It doesn't cost any extra cap space. It would allow the team to trade him. Anyone who trades for him could either renegotiate a long term deal, or pay him the 15 million.

Seems like a simple solution.

that's basically what the tag is - there is no bonus in a franchise tag it's all salary

but what if the Pats do that and teams call their bluff? are they really gonna pay top 5 QB money to a backup? highly doubtful.

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that's basically what the tag is - there is no bonus in a franchise tag it's all salary

but what if the Pats do that and teams call their bluff? are they really gonna pay top 5 QB money to a backup? highly doubtful.

No, they cut him June 30, pay him nothing, and Matt has plenty of time to sign with another team as a free agent. This gives them an extra option that they didn't have under the tag, without substantially affecting Matt in any way.

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No, they cut him June 30, pay him nothing, and Matt has plenty of time to sign with another team as a free agent. This gives them an extra option that they didn't have under the tag, without substantially affecting Matt in any way.

Matt Cassel would never sign such a deal.

The tag means the team owns the player with or without his concent. Under this scenario the Pats would have to tag him, and then rescind the tag.

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No. You cannot trade a franchise player. Cassel and his agent(s) would have to work out a deal with that team before the trade could happen meaning Cassel could basically turn down any trade and say F-U to New England.

Wrong.

Jared Allen was tagged in February and then traded before the draft.

Corey Williams was tagged by the Packers and traded a week later.

The compensation is supposed to be 2-First round picks. The Chiefs got a first and two thirds. The Packers got a second round pick for Williams.

If Cassel is franchised, the Patriots can actively trade his rights and by the looks of it, settle for less compensation.

The owners really do not want a lock out. They will come to some temporary solution while the players get their house in order. It is in both sides interest to get things done, this is not baseball

The owners have some stuff they need to get in order as well. The problems they had last time was when small market owners would not ratify the CBA. The larger markets did not want to give up as much money to teams that made little effort in marketing (Cincy). Plus, the rookie salary cap is going to be a hard issue to work out.

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Wrong.

Jared Allen was tagged in February and then traded before the draft.

Corey Williams was tagged by the Packers and traded a week later.

The compensation is supposed to be 2-First round picks. The Chiefs got a first and two thirds. The Packers got a second round pick for Williams.

If Cassel is franchised, the Patriots can actively trade his rights and by the looks of it, settle for less compensation.

The owners have some stuff they need to get in order as well. The problems they had last time was when small market owners would not ratify the CBA. The larger markets did not want to give up as much money to teams that made little effort in marketing (Cincy). Plus, the rookie salary cap is going to be a hard issue to work out.

Sorry PK, you are wrong. You cannot trade a franchise player until the team you are trading him to reaches a contract with said player. Sorry. Jared Allen and the Vikings had already worked out a deal. Same thing with Corey Williams.

The player also does not have to sign the franchise tender and can hold out.

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Jared Allen was traded before the draft here is a link

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2008/04/23/kc_trades_de_jared_allen_to_minnesota_for_multiple_draft_choices/

KC Trades DE Jared Allen to Minnesota for Multiple Draft Choices

Apr 23, 2008, 12:58:03 PM

Kansas City Chiefs President Carl Peterson announced on Wednesday that the club has agreed to trade Pro Bowl DE Jared Allen to Minnesota in exchange for a first-round pick (17th overall) and two third-round choices (73rd and 82nd overall). In addition, the two clubs also exchanged picks in the sixth round. The Chiefs acquired the Vikings 182nd overall selection, while Minnesota received the Chiefs 187th overall pick. With the trade, Kansas City now owns six selections in the top 82 overall picks in the 2008 NFL Draft.

The Chiefs now have 13 total selections in the 2008 NFL Draft, the most picks by any team this year. Those 13 picks are the most since the club selected 15 players in

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Sorry PK, you are wrong. You cannot trade a franchise player until the team you are trading him to reaches a contract with said player. Sorry. Jared Allen and the Vikings had already worked out a deal. Same thing with Corey Williams.

The player also does not have to sign the franchise tender and can hold out.

Hold on 124.

Corey Williams was traded to the Browns after being slapped with the tag. Part of the deal was that the Browns had to sign him to a multi-year deal. He signed an extension within a day of being traded. There was obviously a framework for the contract in place at time of the trade, but it is not a requirement.

My only point is it is not as hard as some make it out to be.

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True, but if teams don't come to the table and Brady is okay to play, the Patriots are screwed.

But, a team with its sights on Cassel would come to the table rather wait for him to hit FA and then compete with other teams driving the price up. They could deal exclusively with Cassel and NE.

Brady wont be ready until being examined by the Pats medical staff.

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Not only do the teams have to agree so does Cassel

Exactly. The teams have to agree and Cassel has to agree to a trade to that team (but that is done via making a contract). Until a contract is agreed upon between the players agent(s) and the team, a trade of a franchise player cannot occur. I'm not 100% sure if it HAS to be that way (I think it does, but whatever), but either way teams are not going to give up multiple draft picks for someone who isn't signing long term.

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He benefits from yards after catch like no other. He rarely throws the ball over 10 yards instead relies on shallow crosses and screens.

He has a great YAC receiver in Welker and a constantly doubled receiver in Moss.

Throw him onto a team without two studs at WR and watch him turn into the next Matt Schaub.

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He benefits from yards after catch like no other. He rarely throws the ball over 10 yards instead relies on shallow crosses and screens.

He has a great YAC receiver in Welker and a constantly doubled receiver in Moss.

Throw him onto a team without two studs at WR and watch him turn into the next Matt Schaub.

Or a decent o-line like the Patsies* have

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He benefits from yards after catch like no other. He rarely throws the ball over 10 yards instead relies on shallow crosses and screens.

He has a great YAC receiver in Welker and a constantly doubled receiver in Moss.

Throw him onto a team without two studs at WR and watch him turn into the next Matt Schaub.

Cassel is running the exact same offense Brady ran.

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Exactly. The teams have to agree and Cassel has to agree to a trade to that team (but that is done via making a contract). Until a contract is agreed upon between the players agent(s) and the team, a trade of a franchise player cannot occur. I'm not 100% sure if it HAS to be that way (I think it does, but whatever), but either way teams are not going to give up multiple draft picks for someone who isn't signing long term.

Once the season is over, be it in 8 days or a game or two in the playoffs, the Patriots will make a decision if they have not already. While FA does not start until March 1st, deals are consummated within minutes of midnight. :confused:

The Patriots can goto his agent and tell him their intent of applying the non-exclusive franchise tag after being eliminated. The teams he talks to are at the discretion of the Patriots. They tell him go shopping, but not in the AFC East. His agent works the framework of a deal for a team, like the Niners. The Patriots and Niners workout compensation. The Patriots apply the tag after the Superbowl. Then trade him to the gaining team once FA starts.

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Or maybe he will want to make that decision on his own and test the Free Agent market. That is probably the scenario that will unfold. I don't see the Patriots franchising him and trading him, just do not see it. Too much of a risk if no team is interested enough in his services, or knows it can wait a year after the Patriots get screwed over in 2009.

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Once the season is over, be it in 8 days or a game or two in the playoffs, the Patriots will make a decision if they have not already. While FA does not start until March 1st, deals are consummated within minutes of midnight. :confused:

The Patriots can goto his agent and tell him their intent of applying the non-exclusive franchise tag after being eliminated. The teams he talks to are at the discretion of the Patriots. They tell him go shopping, but not in the AFC East. His agent works the framework of a deal for a team, like the Niners. The Patriots and Niners workout compensation. The Patriots apply the tag after the Superbowl. Then trade him to the gaining team once FA starts.

what does cassell owe to pats?

if he is gauranteed $15M for 1 year, his agent should say Tag him be my guest. $15m to hold a clipboard...sign me up!!!

this kid is playing for what $500k right now?

also i'm sure brady will not have a problem with cassell making

double what he makes!

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Once the season is over, be it in 8 days or a game or two in the playoffs, the Patriots will make a decision if they have not already. While FA does not start until March 1st, deals are consummated within minutes of midnight. :confused:

The Patriots can goto his agent and tell him their intent of applying the non-exclusive franchise tag after being eliminated. The teams he talks to are at the discretion of the Patriots. They tell him go shopping, but not in the AFC East. His agent works the framework of a deal for a team, like the Niners. The Patriots and Niners workout compensation. The Patriots apply the tag after the Superbowl. Then trade him to the gaining team once FA starts.

Why would he let the Patsies* set the market when so close to be a unrestricted free agency. Unlike your post Cassel has the leverage.

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Why would he let the Patsies* set the market when so close to be a unrestricted free agency. Unlike your post Cassel has the leverage.

Maybe, that is why the players hate the franchise tag.

He is close to FA, but there are things the team can do. One, he is screwed because there is no other upcoming Patriots FA worthy of the franchise. Two, the Patriots developed this guy and why shouldn't they try to reap some benefits?

Cassell does hold some cards, but the Patriots retain some as well. They can talk to his agent and stipulate the compensation they expect. I would expect, it will be more the closer he is to staying in the AFC East.

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Maybe, that is why the players hate the franchise tag.

He is close to FA, but there are things the team can do. One, he is screwed because there is no other upcoming Patriots FA worthy of the franchise. Two, the Patriots developed this guy and why shouldn't they try to reap some benefits?

Cassell does hold some cards, but the Patriots retain some as well. They can talk to his agent and stipulate the compensation they expect. I would expect, it will be more the closer he is to staying in the AFC East.

Again..why would not cassel accept a guaranteed 15m to hold clipboard?

He is secure for life with this scenerio.

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Again..why would not cassel accept a guaranteed 15m to hold clipboard?

He is secure for life with this scenerio.

True.

Pete Carroll a few weeks ago was asked about Cassell and in particular about Cassell starting and that Lienart is not. Pete said something to the effect, "trust me, Mattie knows the score."

Cassell has been a back-up for almost a decade. I doubt he wants to do that again even for a nice windfall like that.

Plus, he can probably get twice that by being a starter.

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