JETS next head coach.

[JetsTitans63]

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2008/12/will_giants_defensive_coordina.html

[DoubleDown]

Spagnuolo has a bright future, but I would stay away for one major reason. I do not want to the Jets switch their base defense yet again. Spagnuolo will run a 4-3 and I don't want our team to go through another 3 year rebuilding process.

[BwanaZulia]

The whole idea that the NEXT guy is the guy to get it done is just crap.

Give Mangini 5-10 years. Seriously.

BZ

[harris5214]

lets worry about getting rid of mangini first. despite the dreadful gameplans and lack of adjustments, we have managment who loves the guy. that will probably be enough to buy him another year unfortunatley.

[JMJ]

Spagnuolo has a bright future, but I would stay away for one major reason. I do not want to the Jets switch their base defense yet again. Spagnuolo will run a 4-3 and I don't want our team to go through another 3 year rebuilding process.

We wouldn't have to change much at all. Vernon Gholston is a prototype 4-3 DE. That is what he should be in the NFL, that is what he dominated as in the NCAA. If Spagnola comes here we put Gholston and Ellis at ends in the 4-3, Jenkins played his whole Pro-Bowl-caliber career as a DT in the 4-3 so he is fine, we put Pouha next to him.

At LB, David Harris can play MLB in any defense including the 4-3 (which he dominated in in college), Barton has played the OLB in a 4-3 his entire career up until 2006, and all we need is another OLB so we draft one.

Boom! There is your 4-3 defense.

[JetsTitans63]

We wouldn't have to change much at all. Vernon Gholston is a prototype 4-3 DE. That is what he should be in the NFL, that is what he dominated as in the NCAA. If Spagnola comes here we put Gholston and Ellis at ends in the 4-3, Jenkins played his whole Pro-Bowl-caliber career as a DT in the 4-3 so he is fine, we put Pouha next to him.

At LB, David Harris can play MLB in any defense including the 4-3 (which he dominated in in college), Barton has played the OLB in a 4-3 his entire career up until 2006, and all we need is another OLB so we draft one.

Boom! There is your 4-3 defense.

JMJ You are the man! This has got to be 1 of the most if not possibly the best football related thread ive read since becoming a member. I like the idea and the look. I would possibly look for another option for Pouha if ones available. But nice job JMJ.

[DoubleDown]

We wouldn't have to change much at all. Vernon Gholston is a prototype 4-3 DE. That is what he should be in the NFL, that is what he dominated as in the NCAA. If Spagnola comes here we put Gholston and Ellis at ends in the 4-3, Jenkins played his whole Pro-Bowl-caliber career as a DT in the 4-3 so he is fine, we put Pouha next to him.

At LB, David Harris can play MLB in any defense including the 4-3 (which he dominated in in college), Barton has played the OLB in a 4-3 his entire career up until 2006, and all we need is another OLB so we draft one.

Boom! There is your 4-3 defense.

Much easier said than done.

Honestly, we should not be banking on Gholston doing anything at this point. The guy has shown absolutely nothing and does not deserve a starting roster spot.

Pouha as a starter:

Ellis is getting old, we need to start looking for a replacement.

So in my mind, if we switch to a 4-3, we need to fill huge holes at DE, DT, OLB, and we need to look for replacements at the other DE and OLB spots. Not to mention we don't have any depth for pretty much the whole front 7.

[madmike1]

The whole idea that the NEXT guy is the guy to get it done is just crap.

Give Mangini 5-10 years. Seriously.

BZ

5 years after this kotite collapse? Are you ****ing kidding?

[Matt39]

The whole idea that the NEXT guy is the guy to get it done is just crap.

Give Mangini 5-10 years. Seriously.

BZ

Where has Mangini improved since he's been here?

He was a better coach in 2006 than he is now- with FAR less talent.

[BwanaZulia]

5 years after this kotite collapse? Are you ****ing kidding?

Are we 1-15?

Please.

10-6

4-12

9-7/10-6

Those are not the numbers you fire a coach for.

We all wanted a new young HC and this is what you get, inexperience. He needs to learn to go with his gut, show some emotion and not to out think himself.

That and he needs fiery assistant coaches. I want a big defensive coordinator who is yelling his head off and a offensive coordinator that isn't wet behind the years.

Those two things, plus Mangini and it would be good.

This isn't etcha-sketch, you can't just shake it up every time you don't like the current picture.

BZ

[JMJ]

Much easier said than done.

Honestly, we should not be banking on Gholston doing anything at this point. The guy has shown absolutely nothing and does not deserve a starting roster spot.

Pouha as a starter:

Ellis is getting old, we need to start looking for a replacement.

So in my mind, if we switch to a 4-3, we need to fill huge holes at DE, DT, OLB, and we need to look for replacements at the other DE and OLB spots. Not to mention we don't have any depth for pretty much the whole front 7.

Pouha as a starter, in a 4-3, playing alongside Kris Jenkins who will still be getting double teamed EVERY PLAY like he would in any defense is not vomit bad. Pouha plays servicably as a 3-4 NT taking on doubles now. Put him on a line with 3 others defensers (as opposed to 2) and give him one man to beat every play (as opposed to 2) and you'd be surprised.

In no way am I saying he'll be a Pro Bowler. Far from it. But lots of teams in this league have worse (and much smaller) as their 2nd DT in a 4-3. Playing alongside Jenkins as the #2 DT is not a stretch. If he was the main DT, yes. That wouldn't work. But if 90% of the teams in the league lost their main DT and had to have their #2 become their #1 they'd be in the same position. There isn't that many 300+ lb STUDS to go around.

[uart]

The whole idea that the NEXT guy is the guy to get it done is just crap.

Give Mangini 5-10 years. Seriously.

BZ

I'd give him 5-10 years if he gave me a half-time adjustment.

[DoubleDown]

Pouha as a starter, in a 4-3, playing alongside Kris Jenkins who will still be getting double teamed EVERY PLAY like he would in any defense is not vomit bad. Pouha plays servicably as a 3-4 NT taking on doubles now. Put him on a line with 3 others defensers (as opposed to 2) and give him one man to beat every play (as opposed to 2) and you'd be surprised.

In no way am I saying he'll be a Pro Bowler. Far from it. But lots of teams in this league have worse (and much smaller) as their 2nd DT in a 4-3. Playing alongside Jenkins as the #2 DT is not a stretch. If he was the main DT, yes. That wouldn't work. But if 90% of the teams in the league lost their main DT and had to have their #2 become their #1 they'd be in the same position. There isn't that many 300+ lb STUDS to go around.

Fair enough, but I still contend that our front 7 is not built for a 4-3 at all. Our LB's are too big and too slow and we have no proven pass rusher.

The bottom line is that Spagnuolo would have MUCH less 4-3 talent to work with here than he does now with the Giants. A rebuild would be necessary no matter how you slice it or else you are stuck trying to fit square pegs in round holes like we did in 2006.

[madmike1]

Are we 1-15?

Please.

10-6

4-12

9-7/10-6

Those are not the numbers you fire a coach for.

We all wanted a new young HC and this is what you get, inexperience. He needs to learn to go with his gut, show some emotion and not to out think himself.

That and he needs fiery assistant coaches. I want a big defensive coordinator who is yelling his head off and a offensive coordinator that isn't wet behind the years.

Those two things, plus Mangini and it would be good.

This isn't etcha-sketch, you can't just shake it up every time you don't like the current picture.

BZ

Mangini BROUGHT BACK this inept DC, thats 100% on him. 8-3 to this with the losses to the 5 GARBAGE teams they have lost to this season is unforgivable. he should be gone no matter what they do sunday and if they don't fire him i'm not renewing my season tickets.

[kelticwizard]

I would go with the patient approach except that his team is not playing hard for Mangini. It's difficult to see how the team gets to where you want to go if they don't do that.

I remember Jimmy Johnson's last game as Miami's head coach. The team was obviously just going through the motions, even the announcers were talking about it. The next day Johnson, visibly shaken, announced his retirement.

Here's a guy who has won multiple Super Bowls, and that man was ashamed to face the press the next day because his team quit on him. He hasn't been back since, despite what I am sure were several offers. I guess he figured that if you are the type who players feel they can let down on, you don't belong running a team.

[JetsTitans63]

Mangini BROUGHT BACK this inept DC, thats 100% on him. 8-3 to this with the losses to the 5 GARBAGE teams they have lost to this season is unforgivable. he should be gone no matter what they do sunday and if they don't fire him i'm not renewing my season tickets.

Mangini will not be fired win or lose. I do believe Schottenheimer and or Bob Sutton will be gone. Eric Mangini will use 1 of the 2 as his scapegoat. Mangini and Woody Johnson perfect together 2 POS. Favre will be back for another year also.

[BwanaZulia]

Mangini will not be fired win or lose. I do believe Schottenheimer and or Bob Sutton will be gone. Eric Mangini will use 1 of the 2 as his scapegoat. Mangini and Woody Johnson perfect together 2 POS. Favre will be back for another year also.

Shotty and Sutton: Gone

Favre: Retired

Mangini: Back

I am just fine with that.

BZ

[madmike1]

Shotty and Sutton: Gone

Favre: Retired

Mangini: Back

I am just fine with that.

BZ

Your rational sucks. Mangini has ALLOWED those awful coaches to piss this season down the toilet. The buck stops with the HC and he has provided the worst collapse in jets history. **** him and get him the **** out of town. If not, you know that this FO tolerates gagging.

[PETROCK]

For the next Jets HC I want someone who's proven that they can get the job done as a HC. Someone like..........

[glenn212]

The next head coach..PLEASE ,,, Eric Mangini..EM isn't going anywhere thank God..This grass is always greener buls**t has got to stop..Young coach who will be great one day..Some fans around here have the patience of a two year old..I don't give a damn if you been a long suffering Jet fan..Eric Mangini IS the solution if we give him time to grow..This team is as professionally run as it has ever been..This is know time no cut and run..stick with the program..its headed in the right direction.

[madmike1]

The next head coach..PLEASE ,,, Eric Mangini..EM isn't going anywhere thank God..This grass is always greener buls**t has got to stop..Young coach who will be great one day..Some fans around here have the patience of a two year old..I don't give a damn if you been a long suffering Jet fan..Eric Mangini IS the solution if we give him time to grow..This team is as professionally run as it has ever been..This is know time no cut and run..stick with the program..its headed in the right direction.

This had no basis in reality. Just in your wishful thinking. How is the biggest GAG in franchise history the right direction? Maybe pissing away a great season in games against PATHETIC teams is your idea of the right direction... It's not mine.

[Greenseed3]

What about Calvin Pace?

[shutout]

Spagnuolo has a bright future, but I would stay away for one major reason. I do not want to the Jets switch their base defense yet again. Spagnuolo will run a 4-3 and I don't want our team to go through another 3 year rebuilding process.

They said the same thing about Mike Tomlin 2 years ago. Just because our current coach refuses to adjust to how a team is built doesn't mean all coaches will.

[PatriotReign37]

It took Cowher 14 seasons to win a SB in Pitt.

He would have been fired after 7 seasons in NY. Cowher will land someplace where there is stability just like at Pitt.

[DoubleDown]

What about Calvin Pace?

Good point.

If we switch to a 4-3, what do we do with players like Pace, Thomas, Coleman?

Making the switch is possible, but it's not going to happen overnight. There WILL be some growing pains, and it WILL take some time to build the defense with the players you want. I would much rather bring in a head coach that will keep the 3-4, but will get rid of the two gap read and react BS that Mangini has installed. We need to run a Pittsburgh style 3-4.

[DoubleDown]

They said the same thing about Mike Tomlin 2 years ago. Just because our current coach refuses to adjust to how a team is built doesn't mean all coaches will.

Huh? Correct me if I'm wrong, but both Cowher and Tomlin run a 3-4.

[RSJ]

Gholston is a prototype DE?

lol!

That's all I needed to read.

[GandWFan]

mangini is over his head. It's not that he doesn't want to coach better. It's not that he doesn't want to make in game adjustments. It's that he doesn't know how. He brought his Bellicheck cheat sheet to town, but past the big picture stuff, he is lost. He can't game plan, he can't see how to use the strengths of his players and hide their weaknesses, and worst of all, he coaches scared. Not a winner, just the loser fat kid picked on by the bully in the school yard.

[serphnx]

Huh? Correct me if I'm wrong, but both Cowher and Tomlin run a 3-4.

Tomlin ran a 4-3 Tampa 2 before he got the Steelers job. He just kept the 3-4 because it worked and because apparently he knows more than one type of defense, unlike apparently the entire rest of the league. The Steelers also mix in a lot of 4-3. Actually most 3-4 teams do, just not the Jets. The Jets have had 4 down linemen before, but have put everyone else in coverage, so it's a 4-0-7.

[JMJ]

Gholston is a prototype DE?

lol!

That's all I needed to read.

Umm,

He is.

[BwanaZulia]

For the next Jets HC I want someone who's proven that they can get the job done as a HC. Someone like..........

Wow... one SB win after 15 years. Yeah, I am sure Jet fans would wait that long.

If Cowher was the HC, they would have fired him after 2000 season.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/CowhBi0.htm

BZ

[RSJ]

Umm,

He is.

Ummmm no. He is wayyyyy to light to play DE in the NFL. His run stopping ability will mirror John Abraham's.

You want to see a prototype DE look at Strahan, Peppers or others that are much bigger than Gholston. Being a DE in a 4-3 means you can stop the run AND rush the passer.

[floridajet]

Shhhhh...Jimy Johnson is coming to town......

[StillerPaul]

Wow... one SB win after 15 years. Yeah, I am sure Jet fans would wait that long.

If Cowher was the HC, they would have fired him after 2000 season.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/CowhBi0.htm

BZ

Hey the way i see it a huge weight has been lifted from Cowhers back. I believe he put a ton of pressure on himself and the team as well through the years. And it sure felt like the team felt extra pressure to win and played tight in the playoffs the bulk of the time. Well now he doesn't have that pressure to win the big 1 and knows what it takes imo.

[Boynton Beach Jets]

Spagnuolo has a bright future, but I would stay away for one major reason. I do not want to the Jets switch their base defense yet again. Spagnuolo will run a 4-3 and I don't want our team to go through another 3 year rebuilding process.

I agree with your point, every time a team makes the change over its a 2-3 year turnover. Calvin Pace has been a better player in the 3-4. Shawn Ellis is a better 3-4 DE. David Harris and Kenyan Coleman are 3-4 players.