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jack48

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With Mangini entering the final year of his contract in 2009 and coming off this disaster do you

1) Give him an extension (You can't have a lame duck coach)

2) Fire him

I fire him. I have defended him in the past but this collapse, against beatable teams, tells me the team is just not on board. The only win they got in this stretch was dumb luck. I do not see him getting them back. It makes no sense for him to stay under these circumstances. This team needs to go out and get a Calvin Johnson type wideout. Not easy I know. But I am really tired of watching our WRs wearing cornerbacks all over the field.

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woody has no choice but to fire mangini.he has a lot of psl's to sell by next year.he will convince favre to stay and he will go get a big name coach(cowher?)there are a lot of season ticket holders on the fence,if mangini returns,woody will lose

Cowher ain't accepting Favre if he comes, and I don't tink he is. There is some talent on this team. A new coach will want a younger QB.

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I replace the coordinators with better suited ones (ones that have cojones, creativity and can compliment my young head coach a little better than the last two dopes...) and I let Mangini play out his contract to see what he does. It's time to show something, no more blind support.

I tell Tanny to do everything in his power to get this washed up shell of a QB to retire and ready the kids for a QB competition.

I ask Tanny to get me a big fast wide receiver in the draft, another NT (in the mold of Jenkins if I can find one) another young QB to throw into the mix, more LB's and CB's. I make Westoff assistant head coach (if he isn't already) and give him more money to stay longer.

I sit back and check out how the offseason plays out and pick up any players that I think have potential and go for it again next season! :box:

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Have him clean out his sh!t in the presence of security and lock the gate to the complex after his cab leaves. Theres enough talent here to make a respectable showing next season for someone that knows what they're doing.

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I replace the coordinators with better suited ones (ones that have cojones, creativity and can compliment my young head coach a little better than the last two dopes...) and I let Mangini play out his contract to see what he does. It's time to show something, no more blind support.

I tell Tanny to do everything in his power to get this washed up shell of a QB to retire and ready the kids for a QB competition.

I ask Tanny to get me a big fast wide receiver in the draft, another NT (in the mold of Jenkins if I can find one) another young QB to throw into the mix, more LB's and CB's. I make Westoff assistant head coach (if he isn't already) and give him more money to stay longer.

I sit back and check out how the offseason plays out and pick up any players that I think have potential and go for it again next season! :box:

If both coordinators need to be replaced then the HC who hired them - and kept both of them for 3 full seasons - needs to be replaced. Who the hell is Eric Mangini to stay if his hand-picked coordinators are both - BOTH! - fired?

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If both coordinators need to be replaced then the HC who hired them - and kept both of them for 3 full seasons - needs to be replaced. Who the hell is Eric Mangini to stay if his hand-picked coordinators are both - BOTH! - fired?

Heh. I agree. But I think thats what's gonna happen. Mangini stays as lame duck. Both coordinators go. Callahan is upgrade to OC. Big name comes in at DC (Crennel or a Ryan). If it all goes to heck again then Callahan becomes HC of the NYJ in 2010.

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Fire him. He deserves it.

He's proven to be a failure in every aspect of being a HC: (1) win-loss record, (2) game planning, (3) game management, (4) in-game decision making, (5) in-game adjustments, (6) maximizing the team's talent, and (7) motivating his players.

Mangini has not done well in any of the above categories.

The coordinators are just puppet for the micro-manager Mangini. Seriously, Mangini runs this show completely. It's been reported numerous times that this is the case.

Giving him an extension is silly. There's nothing wrong with being a lame-duck HC. Every player is essentially lame-duck because of the lack of guaranteed contracts.

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Heh. I agree. But I think thats what's gonna happen. Mangini stays as lame duck. Both coordinators go. Callahan is upgrade to OC. Big name comes in at DC (Crennel or a Ryan). If it all goes to heck again then Callahan becomes HC of the NYJ in 2010.

crennel blows donkey d1ck..be serious

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If both coordinators need to be replaced then the HC who hired them - and kept both of them for 3 full seasons - needs to be replaced. Who the hell is Eric Mangini to stay if his hand-picked coordinators are both - BOTH! - fired?

You make a good point. I guess I said that because he's young and still growing as a coach and we did beat NE and TENN at their houses. I just recall Schotty getting a little too cute at times and Sutton chocking consistently on the adjustments. They are horrible coordinators but I guess you are right. Maybe he is too.

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You make a good point. I guess I said that because he's young and still growing as a coach and we did beat NE and TENN at their houses. I just recall Schotty getting a little too cute at times and Sutton chocking consistently on the adjustments. They are horrible coordinators but I guess you are right. Maybe he is too.

Is he really growing as a HC?

Seriously. I've seen a HC become worse over his last 2 seasons. Where he was aggressive and innovative in 2006, he has been passive and predictable in 2007 and 2008. He has also failed to learn to make adjustments.

I'd like to know what you think he has grown in as a HC? If he is not improving, recognizing his faults, and improving his faults, it doesn't matter if he's a young HC because he's not getting better.

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Is he really growing as a HC?

Seriously. I've seen a HC become worse over his last 2 seasons. Where he was aggressive and innovative in 2006, he has been passive and predictable in 2007 and 2008. He has also failed to learn to make adjustments.

I'd like to know what you think he has grown in as a HC? If he is not improving, recognizing his faults, and improving his faults, it doesn't matter if he's a young HC because he's not getting better.

he started sucking right after ratting out mumbles

i believe he was just lucky in 2006!!!!!!!

LEON just 76 carries at 6 yds per

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You have to fire Mangini. I was all for giving him another shot if he won today - but the team just gave us more of the same. But don't fire him so you can go give a DB coach head coaching minimum pay like you've done the last two times. Go get a legit candidate. Spagnola or Ryan are the best cadidates in my eyes. Ryan scares me because his dad was a great coordinator and a bad head coach. Spagnola seems to be able to adapt to the personel and put together good gameplans. But I do not think we have 4-3 personel on this team and I'd hate to change again this quickly. However, I can not emphasize enough that I do not want to see Mangini get fired so that we can hire Mike Tice or the Cardinals DB coach. Also Mike T needs to go too. His drafts have been terrible. His best picks have been a center in the first round (higher than they are ussually picked), and a sure thing CB. Other than that his picks have been nothing special to outright busts.

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With Mangini entering the final year of his contract in 2009 and coming off this disaster do you

1) Give him an extension (You can't have a lame duck coach)

2) Fire him

I agree these are the two options.

I mentioned it previously, but looking back at this offseason, it is the 1st in which the franchise has completely seperated itself personel-wise with the Parcells/Edwards era. We saw in the midseason what this new team was capable of, yet mixed in was the negative effects of the unfamiliarity both between players and coaches and players and players.

The point is in a couple of years or so this new team will have played together for long enough and the coaches will be familiar enough with the players for some real chemistry to develop. That is, if our coaching staff and leadership can remain consistent over the next few years. The last thing this team needs going forward is a coaching change at an inopportune time. Brett Favre will probably be gone, and it will be up to the CS who the new guy, the franchise guy, will be. Therefore, we need to find a CS that we are comfortable moving forward with and comfortable helping this team growing into its full potential.

Whoever that CS is, we need to be comfortable enough to give them more than 1 year to grow with this team and help it achieve potential. This new era cannot be ruined by an inopportune coaching change at the wrong time (next 2 years). The chance to find the right guy(s) for the job is now, if we are to expect any success going forward.

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I agree these are the two options.

I mentioned it previously, but looking back at this offseason, it is the 1st in which the franchise has completely seperated itself personel-wise with the Parcells/Edwards era. We saw in the midseason what this new team was capable of, yet mixed in was the negative effects of the unfamiliarity both between players and coaches and players and players.

The point is in a couple of years or so this new team will have played together for long enough and the coaches will be familiar enough with the players for some real chemistry to develop. That is, if our coaching staff and leadership can remain consistent over the next few years. The last thing this team needs going forward is a coaching change at an inopportune time. Brett Favre will probably be gone, and it will be up to the CS who the new guy, the franchise guy, will be. Therefore, we need to find a CS that we are comfortable moving forward with and comfortable helping this team growing into its full potential.

Whoever that CS is, we need to be comfortable enough to give them more than 1 year to grow with this team and help it achieve potential. This new era cannot be ruined by an inopportune coaching change at the wrong time (next 2 years). The chance to find the right guy(s) for the job is now, if we are to expect any success going forward.

The Jets lost 4 games down the stretch and it really should have been 5 in a row. There is no excuse for that and no reason to keep this coaching staff around. New coaches can win in thier first year. Look around the league.

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The Jets lost 4 games down the stretch and it really should have been 5 in a row. There is no excuse for that and no reason to keep this coaching staff around. New coaches can win in thier first year. Look around the league.

Fine. Woody should fire him now then if he is not comfortable letting him control this new team the next few years. The WORST thing Woody could do in this situation is let Mangini stay for 1 more year, can him after next year, and completely stunt the chemistry and growth of this new era and new team by bringing in a new staff at the wrong time.

Either fire him now and find someone you're comfortable with. Or give Mangini another 4 years to develop a QB and let the team grow under him. Either way, whoever the coach is, will need to be guaranteed the job for at least the next two or three years to let the team develop.

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Fine. Woody should fire him now then if he is not comfortable letting him control this new team the next few years. The WORST thing Woody could do in this situation is let Mangini stay for 1 more year, can him after next year, and completely stunt the chemistry and growth of this new era and new team by bringing in a new staff at the wrong time.

Either fire him now and find someone you're comfortable with. Or give Mangini another 4 years to develop a QB and let the team grow under him. Either way, whoever the coach is, will need to be guaranteed the job for at least the next two or three years to let the team develop.

It starts with the GM. Jets need to fire Mike T, then let a new GM come in and make the call. Most likely the new GM will fire him anyway.

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He's had 3 years to develop Kellen Clemens. Where has that gone?

I agree. I personally would like Mangini fired also. Either way though, the worst possible thing Woody can do is change coaches as this team begins to develop. It would completely stunt whatever growth and success may be possible. Since Favre is probably on his way out anyway, this is the perfect time to make a coaching move. No more band-aid, PR, B.S. Find someone you're comfortable leading this team for the long haul, and stick to your guns. Let the team grow.

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It starts with the GM. Jets need to fire Mike T, then let a new GM come in and make the call. Most likely the new GM will fire him anyway.

Unless Mike Holmgren can be lured out of his 1 year retirment, or Pioli out of the Browns job... Then im not so sure there's anything better out there.

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Unless Mike Holmgren can be lured out of his 1 year retirment, or Pioli out of the Browns job... Then im not so sure there's anything better out there.

If that's the case then you need to do some deep research and try to find the enxt best available guy.

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