New York Mick Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 To be in the mix next year what do we need to do? We have the 17th pick http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NFL_Draft 1 Detroit Lions 2 St. Louis Rams 3 Kansas City Chiefs 4 Seattle Seahawks 5 Cleveland Browns 6 Cincinnati Bengals 7 Oakland Raiders 8 Jacksonville Jaguars 9 Green Bay Packers 10 San Francisco 49ers 11 Buffalo Bills 12 Denver Broncos 13 Washington Redskins 14 New Orleans Saints 15 Houston Texans 16 San Diego Chargers 17 New York Jets Needs - Head Coach OC DC Players Needed - QB WR Oline Dline LBs DBs So the question is what do we do with the 17th pick? We have so many ****ing needs that I have no idea where to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 To be in the mix next year what do we need to do? We have the 17th pick http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NFL_Draft 1 Detroit Lions 2 St. Louis Rams 3 Kansas City Chiefs 4 Seattle Seahawks 5 Cleveland Browns 6 Cincinnati Bengals 7 Oakland Raiders 8 Jacksonville Jaguars 9 Green Bay Packers 10 San Francisco 49ers 11 Buffalo Bills 12 Denver Broncos 13 Washington Redskins 14 New Orleans Saints 15 Houston Texans 16 San Diego Chargers 17 New York Jets Needs - Head Coach OC DC Players Needed - QB WR Oline Dline LBs DBs So the question is what do we do with the 17th pick? We have so many ****ing needs that I have no idea where to start. Do we pick before SD because they made the playoffs, or do they just go to the bottom of the 8-8 teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 We pick before SD. Teams that make the playoffs go before teams that do not (on their own pick anyway) I know it's the best current list, that's why I put the link to it. It explains everything quite well. The question is still what do we do with or draft pick? 16th or 17th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Dont know about 1st round, but IF he stays in 2nd round, I want Coles replacement,,Hakeem Nicks WR from North Carolina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 Dont know about 1st round, but IF he stays in 2nd round, I want Coles replacement,,Hakeem Nicks WR from North Carolina So far from what I've been reading most are going with Spikes ILB - UF or a WR with the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Do we pick before SD because they made the playoffs, or do they just go to the bottom of the 8-8 teams? I thought it was by record, that SD goes to the bottom of 8-8 teams (unless they make it to the superbowl). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justincredible Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Dont know about 1st round, but IF he stays in 2nd round, I want Coles replacement,,Hakeem Nicks WR from North Carolina I was at the Meineke Car Care bowl and it was the first time I have really seen the kid play. He made some incredible plays. I would be real happy if they could get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 I thought it was by record, that SD goes to the bottom of 8-8 teams (unless they make it to the superbowl). The link explains it all, chances are the draft order is going to stay the way it is or very close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 I thought it was by record, that SD goes to the bottom of 8-8 teams (unless they make it to the superbowl). I was unsure.. but I confirmed, you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 best available WR or CB just my gut feeling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 OK, now that we figured out the draft position is right or very close to being right, what position are we going to take? Or do we take the BPA? I guess we really should wait to see who's going to be the new head coach first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudicus Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Rules for determining draft order The draft order is determined by first generating the order for the first round. That order is based generally on each team's regular season record, except as noted below: [*]The winners of the Super Bowl are given the last selection, and the losers the second to last selection.[2] [*]Remaining teams are sorted by regular season record, with worse records picking first, regardless of playoff status; teams that make the playoffs can't pick before teams that do not. [*]For teams with the same record, teams that fail to make the playoffs always pick before teams that earned playoff berths. [*]For teams that make the playoffs, ties are broken by the order in which teams lost in the playoffs. [*]Remaining ties are broken by strength of schedule. For draft order, a lower strength of schedule results in an earlier pick. If strength of schedule does not resolve a tie, division and/or conference tiebreakers may be used. If the tie still cannot be broken, a coin toss at the NFL Combine is used to determine draft order. (Note: Strength of schedule is the combined records of a team's 16 opponents, including games played against the team in question, and counting divisional opponents twice. Because of this, each team's opponents' combined wins and losses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LWC611 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Dont know about 1st round, but IF he stays in 2nd round, I want Coles replacement,,Hakeem Nicks WR from North Carolina We have Clowney, Stuckey and Cothery and keller. I do not think reciever is a first round need. However I would like to get a legitimate pass rusher for the D-line or as an LB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Too bad we don't have a real high pick so that we could draft an edge pass rusher....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 To be in the mix next year what do we need to do? We have the 17th pick http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NFL_Draft Players Needed - QB WR Oline Dline LBs DBs So the question is what do we do with the 17th pick? We have so many ****ing needs that I have no idea where to start. Assuming we pick up a QB in FA or Favre comes back I myself would address the WR position. Someone who can stretch the field and not disappear like Coles does from time to time. IMO the offense needs the attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 Rules for determining draft order The draft order is determined by first generating the order for the first round. That order is based generally on each team's regular season record, except as noted below: [*]The winners of the Super Bowl are given the last selection, and the losers the second to last selection.[2] [*]Remaining teams are sorted by regular season record, with worse records picking first, regardless of playoff status; teams that make the playoffs can't pick before teams that do not. [*]For teams with the same record, teams that fail to make the playoffs always pick before teams that earned playoff berths. [*]For teams that make the playoffs, ties are broken by the order in which teams lost in the playoffs. [*]Remaining ties are broken by strength of schedule. For draft order, a lower strength of schedule results in an earlier pick. If strength of schedule does not resolve a tie, division and/or conference tiebreakers may be used. If the tie still cannot be broken, a coin toss at the NFL Combine is used to determine draft order. (Note: Strength of schedule is the combined records of a team's 16 opponents, including games played against the team in question, and counting divisional opponents twice. Because of this, each team's opponents' combined wins and losses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Too bad we don't have a real high pick so that we could draft an edge pass rusher....... We did last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 [*]Remaining teams are sorted by regular season record, with worse records picking first, regardless of playoff status; teams that make the playoffs can't pick before teams that do not. This is contradictory. According to this, SD must pick before us because they have a worse record. Then it says that SD can't pick before us because they made the playoffs and we didn't. I always thought the rule was that they get lumped to the bottom of teams with that record, based on how far they get in the playoffs (for example, if there were two 8-8 teams that made it then the one who goes further picks later). But other than that (and the 2 superbowl teams), it's all SOS (with SOS ties broken by coin-tosses). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain_the_foe Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 I know it's the best current list, that's why I put the link to it. It explains everything quite well. The question is still what do we do with or draft pick? 16th or 17th We need a WR. We have potential at every other position that we "so call" need. We need a WR badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGDIRK Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 We need a WR. We have potential at every other position that we "so call" need. We need a WR badly. Who is throwing the ball to this WR you want to get? Next year, two years, 3 years down the road???? Its been 40 years since the last SB. How many legit QBs have we had since. Enough is enough already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 We need a WR. We have potential at every other position that we "so call" need. We need a WR badly. I'd have to disagree with you on that. Our Oline and Dline gets pushed around and has no depth. Our DBs flat out suck and have second stringers starting. Our QB is either 40 years old or an unproven second stringer. Our LBs again have second stringers starting and again has no depth. But I agree we need a WR because we don't have a true first stinger, Coles plays when he wants to. We have OK second and thirds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudicus Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 I got the rules of wiki, not written well, but yes playoff teams can't pick ahead of non playoff teams, so only picks 1-20 are set right now, althought I think there may be a coin flip or 2. So for sure highest we pick is 16 lowest is 19. edit just did the calculations and unless my number are off here's how SOS breaks down Jets opponents 120 wins Bears : 114 (playing detroit twice helped) Bucs: 118 Dallas: 127 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 I like Moore and Macklin from Missouri...either would be a welcome addition...need ILB, DE, RT...oh yea a QB would help. Show me officially jumping on the Ratliff bandwagon...we can dream can't we...go JETS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montreal Jet Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 CB) Lowery and Law killed this team this year. NT) 1-2 punch with Jenkins. He obviously cannot carry the load WR) We need speed and good hands ILB) Barton does not cut it Any out of the 4 will be a huge upgrade to this Jets team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudicus Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 I don't think we'll go corner in the first round maybe 2, but i doubt we'll have two number 1 corners, that's pricey. We don't need another NT but a DE to make things easier on him, a LB is a must Barton can't play coverage and he makes too many mistakes, we need 2 good ILB Harris can't do it all and this year showed it. WR would be great, but only a tall talented one, Smith should be our tall reciver but he hasn't deveoped as a WR because he's too busy being a slash player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 I don't think we'll go corner in the first round maybe 2, but i doubt we'll have two number 1 corners, that's pricey. We don't need another NT but a DE to make things easier on him, a LB is a must Barton can't play coverage and he makes too many mistakes, we need 2 good ILB Harris can't do it all and this year showed it. WR would be great, but only a tall talented one, Smith should be our tall reciver but he hasn't deveoped as a WR because he's too busy being a slash player. Two #1 corners isn't that pricey unless they're free agents or top 10 draft picks. Picking somewhere between 17 and 20, the player would get a contract of 5 years / ~$12-13M. That's $2.5M/yr. Hardly pricey. Hell, we just gave Pouha a 3-year extension at $2.0M per season. Revis only became expensive because Tannenbaum decided to get too clever about it in demanding a 6th season on his rookie deal. Ended up being 6 yrs $36M instead of 5 yrs $14M. But hey - we got that extra year. Nevermind that the 6th year carries a cap # of somewhere between $10M-$16M depending on incentives reached. F***ing stupid. But Revis' deal is neither here nor there. A first-round pick in the second half of the first round is probably the best bang-for-the-buck when you factor in likelihood of success with the pick. They're (relatively) cheap & they're locked up for 5 seasons at those cheap dollars. Hell, look at Dustin Keller's contract: 5 yrs, $8.5M (though it could go up to $12M if he reaches incentives. Incentives that would make us more than thrilled to pay it). An absolute bargain. High 2nd-rounders make almost the same money per year (between $1.5 and $2M), but you can only lock them up for 4 years on the rookie contract. It's likely the reason we traded up to get Keller more than fear of him getting snatched off the board by someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InstantClassic Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Pass rushing end! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
914-ny Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 best available WR or CB just my gut feeling CRABTREE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 CRABTREE Yeah, I'm sure he'll be there in the bottom-half of round one. Might as well wish that the Colts would trade us Peyton Manning for a conditional 2nd-rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudicus Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 I'd be happy if we got another good starting corner, just don't think it's a pressing need. If we fix the pass rush and make the QB hurry then that makes the job of a DB a lot easier. If we give the QB all day he can pick apart the holes in our coverage no matter what corners we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGDIRK Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 How about Terrance Cody from Alabama? Hes a 370 pound DT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudicus Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 A young player to develop behind Jenkins is a good idea, but there are holes that need someone now and they are best filled on the first day of the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBeans Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Hakeem Nicks - the end - exclamation point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 I'd be happy if we got another good starting corner, just don't think it's a pressing need. If we fix the pass rush and make the QB hurry then that makes the job of a DB a lot easier. If we give the QB all day he can pick apart the holes in our coverage no matter what corners we have. I'd be fine with an average-level CB opposite Revis. The problem is we had as big a hole opposite him as we had at LG last year. So either an "average" one through FA or you have to pick one high in the draft if you want to use him in 2009 (and not have him be a liability). The thing with the pass rush is that the team likely isn't going after pass-rushers in round 1. They committed major dollars to Pace and Gholston. And they'll give Gholston at least next year. No way they draft a pass-rusher in round 1 unless they are already convinced that Gholston will never be useful to the Jets. An interesting option would be Raji. It would move Jenkins to DE and/or spell him at NT (or spell each other depending on which fatass is more winded on a given series). That would be a lot for an O-line to handle though, having both of those guys on the same line. I think a CB or WR is most likely. Unless something unexpected happens, like Maualuga falling to us. That might be too much to pass up on even though ILB is a pretty unsexy position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudicus Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 I agree with you totally I'd rather see them get an average CB in free agency, and getting an OLB is out of the question. DL help is I think a top priority, maybe not a DT unless that's all thats there Raji wouldn't be a bad project, but he's aparantley an idiot, he was declared academically ineligble last year...and no more 1st round projects. I'd rather see Jackson or Graham to play end and get more push on the line which should cause blockers to go towards the middle opening up the edges and allowing Pace and hopefully Gholston to get to the QB, Hunt might not be a bad choice in the 3rd round if we can get back in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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