Jets will regret firing Mangini

[docdhc]

Mike Shanahan, Bill Belichick, 2 coaches that come to mind quickly when thinking of young coaches fired early in their career who went on to win championships with someone else. What new coach wins a SB in their first 3 years of coaching? Parcells, didn't, Belly didn't, Cowher certainly didn't. Mangini wasn't a disaster, he had 2 out of three winning seasons. His QB this year went from playing well in a 5 game winning streak to throwing pick after pick in losing 4 out of 5. That wasn't the head coach throwing the picks. This team has been well prepared, doesn't commit a ton of stupid penalties, manages the clock well, is in shape and hasn't been ravaged by injuries...those are indicative of a good program. We quickly forget the disasters of the past with Kotite and Edwards. Mangini will get better as a coach over the next few years and I hate to think of him winning a super bowl somewhere else. We should have told Favre not to come back and have 12 million dollars of cap space to use, and not turn the whole program upside down. Now we are back to square one, we will wait until June before Favre makes up his mind, and will probably get a retread coach like Billick or Shottenheimer to take another 3-5 yr turn at mediocraty instead of a young coach who could have built a solid stable contender for years to come.

[rillo]

Lucky Jets!

[floridajet]

Mike Shanahan, Bill Belichick, 2 coaches that come to mind quickly when thinking of young coaches fired early in their career who went on to win championships with someone else. What new coach wins a SB in their first 3 years of coaching? Parcells, didn't, Belly didn't, Cowher certainly didn't. Mangini wasn't a disaster, he had 2 out of three winning seasons. His QB this year went from playing well in a 5 game winning streak to throwing pick after pick in losing 4 out of 5. That wasn't the head coach throwing the picks. This team has been well prepared, doesn't commit a ton of stupid penalties, manages the clock well, is in shape and hasn't been ravaged by injuries...those are indicative of a good program. We quickly forget the disasters of the past with Kotite and Edwards. Mangini will get better as a coach over the next few years and I hate to think of him winning a super bowl somewhere else. We should have told Favre not to come back and have 12 million dollars of cap space to use, and not turn the whole program upside down. Now we are back to square one, we will wait until June before Favre makes up his mind, and will probably get a retread coach like Billick or Shottenheimer to take another 3-5 yr turn at mediocraty instead of a young coach who could have built a solid stable contender for years to come.

Regret..DUH!!! NO.....

[DMaynard]

Mike Shanahan, Bill Belichick, 2 coaches that come to mind quickly when thinking of young coaches fired early in their career who went on to win championships with someone else. What new coach wins a SB in their first 3 years of coaching? Parcells, didn't, Belly didn't, Cowher certainly didn't. Mangini wasn't a disaster, he had 2 out of three winning seasons. His QB this year went from playing well in a 5 game winning streak to throwing pick after pick in losing 4 out of 5. That wasn't the head coach throwing the picks. This team has been well prepared, doesn't commit a ton of stupid penalties, manages the clock well, is in shape and hasn't been ravaged by injuries...those are indicative of a good program. We quickly forget the disasters of the past with Kotite and Edwards. Mangini will get better as a coach over the next few years and I hate to think of him winning a super bowl somewhere else. We should have told Favre not to come back and have 12 million dollars of cap space to use, and not turn the whole program upside down. Now we are back to square one, we will wait until June before Favre makes up his mind, and will probably get a retread coach like Billick or Shottenheimer to take another 3-5 yr turn at mediocraty instead of a young coach who could have built a solid stable contender for years to come.

Mangini had some good points. But you don't need to wait any longer than 3 years to realize he will never be able to adjust the way other NFL coaches have to. It is a fatal flaw for a Head Coach. This year was a perfect example. The other teams caught up to what the Jets were doing well, and they took it away. And mangini and crew did nothing, absolutely nothing, to adjust.

[SMC]

Mike Shanahan, Bill Belichick, 2 coaches that come to mind quickly when thinking of young coaches fired early in their career who went on to win championships with someone else. What new coach wins a SB in their first 3 years of coaching? Parcells, didn't, Belly didn't, Cowher certainly didn't. Mangini wasn't a disaster, he had 2 out of three winning seasons. His QB this year went from playing well in a 5 game winning streak to throwing pick after pick in losing 4 out of 5. That wasn't the head coach throwing the picks. This team has been well prepared, doesn't commit a ton of stupid penalties, manages the clock well, is in shape and hasn't been ravaged by injuries...those are indicative of a good program. We quickly forget the disasters of the past with Kotite and Edwards. Mangini will get better as a coach over the next few years and I hate to think of him winning a super bowl somewhere else. We should have told Favre not to come back and have 12 million dollars of cap space to use, and not turn the whole program upside down. Now we are back to square one, we will wait until June before Favre makes up his mind, and will probably get a retread coach like Billick or Shottenheimer to take another 3-5 yr turn at mediocraty instead of a young coach who could have built a solid stable contender for years to come.

There's really 1 factor that blows up your whole theory: prior experience of Belichick and Shanahan.

Belichick was all-world coordinator before he got his first HC job. Shanahan had been a OC for Denver during the SB years in the 1980s.

Both Belichick and Shanahan had shown that they could be successful coordinators.

Mangini was a dismal failure as a DC with the Pats. They had their worst statistical season in the dynasty years and Mangini was stripped of his play calling duties because of 2 things that plagued him with the Jets: (1) failure to adjust and (2) passivity

[Verde]

It'll certainly be interesting to see where EM lands and at what coaching capacity. Back to DB coach, I'd guess.

[afosomf]

It'll certainly be interesting to see where EM lands and at what coaching capacity.

college coach at best!!!!!!

[Klecko73isGod]

There's really 1 factor that blows up your whole theory: prior experience of Belichick and Shanahan.

Belichick was all-world coordinator before he got his first HC job. Shanahan had been a OC for Denver during the SB years in the 1980s.

Both Belichick and Shanahan had shown that they could be successful coordinators.

Mangini was a dismal failure as a DC with the Pats. They had their worst statistical season in the dynasty years and Mangini was stripped of his play calling duties because of 2 things that plagued him with the Jets: (1) failure to adjust and (2) passivity

Don't forget that Shanahan worked for the 49ers in the early 90s as well, culminating with their SB win in 1994.

[docdhc]

There's really 1 factor that blows up your whole theory: prior experience of Belichick and Shanahan.

Belichick was all-world coordinator before he got his first HC job. Shanahan had been a OC for Denver during the SB years in the 1980s.

Both Belichick and Shanahan had shown that they could be successful coordinators.

Mangini was a dismal failure as a DC with the Pats. They had their worst statistical season in the dynasty years and Mangini was stripped of his play calling duties because of 2 things that plagued him with the Jets: (1) failure to adjust and (2) passivity

Shanahan had Elway those years and it doesn't take a great coach to do well with that kind of HOF QB in their prime. Belly was a great dc, but he had an awful lot of talent on that Giants team and he wasn't a great hc with Cleveland the first time around. I think the parallels are valid and we will only know in the years to come. Based on my 40+ years of experience as a Jet fan, if Penny can come in and beat us at home to take the AFC east for the frigging dolphins, than MAngini can win a super bowl before the Jets even make the playoffs again.

[Lil Bit Special]

Mangini isnt going to be taking the Browns to the superbowl anytime soon.

[DMaynard]

Shanahan had Elway those years and it doesn't take a great coach to do well with that kind of HOF QB in their prime. Belly was a great dc, but he had an awful lot of talent on that Giants team and he wasn't a great hc with Cleveland the first time around. I think the parallels are valid and we will only know in the years to come. Based on my 40+ years of experience as a Jet fan, if Penny can come in and beat us at home to take the AFC east for the frigging dolphins, than MAngini can win a super bowl before the Jets even make the playoffs again.

Now you are talking about the Curse, which I have come to realize is all too true. If you are trying to imply mangini will ever be a good coach based upon ability vs simply being away from the Curse, I strongly disagree.

[afosomf]

Mike Shanahan, Bill Belichick, 2 coaches that come to mind quickly when thinking of young coaches fired early in their career who went on to win championships with someone else. What new coach wins a SB in their first 3 years of coaching? Parcells, didn't, Belly didn't, Cowher certainly didn't. Mangini wasn't a disaster, he had 2 out of three winning seasons. His QB this year went from playing well in a 5 game winning streak to throwing pick after pick in losing 4 out of 5. That wasn't the head coach throwing the picks. This team has been well prepared, doesn't commit a ton of stupid penalties, manages the clock well, is in shape and hasn't been ravaged by injuries...those are indicative of a good program. We quickly forget the disasters of the past with Kotite and Edwards. Mangini will get better as a coach over the next few years and I hate to think of him winning a super bowl somewhere else. We should have told Favre not to come back and have 12 million dollars of cap space to use, and not turn the whole program upside down. Now we are back to square one, we will wait until June before Favre makes up his mind, and will probably get a retread coach like Billick or Shottenheimer to take another 3-5 yr turn at mediocraty instead of a young coach who could have built a solid stable contender for years to come.

are you telling me to cancel my big party!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Phuck NO!!!!!!!!!!

[SMC]

Shanahan had Elway those years and it doesn't take a great coach to do well with that kind of HOF QB in their prime. Belly was a great dc, but he had an awful lot of talent on that Giants team and he wasn't a great hc with Cleveland the first time around. I think the parallels are valid and we will only know in the years to come. Based on my 40+ years of experience as a Jet fan, if Penny can come in and beat us at home to take the AFC east for the frigging dolphins, than MAngini can win a super bowl before the Jets even make the playoffs again.

Sorry, doc, but I blew your theory to ****. There's no valid comparison between Mangini and Belichick/Shanahan.

Both Belichick and Shanahan were highly regarded coordinators before their first HC jobs. They coached talent, but so did Mangini as Pats DC. Mangini, however, failed as a coordinator.

Again, the Pats defense performed better before AND after Mangini was the DC. He was a failure with the same talent as Crennel and Mangini's successor had, but he did worse.

[SMC]

Now you are talking about the Curse, which I have come to realize is all too true. If you are trying to imply mangini will ever be a good coach based upon ability vs simply being away from the Curse, I strongly disagree.

It's only the Curse.

Mangini has not shown the abilility on his own to be a good, let alone an excellent HC.

[GodWearsAGrayHoodie]

Whether Mangini could someday be a great head coach and whether the Jets firing him was a mistake are two separate and distinct questions.

His mentor, Bill Belichick, obviously felt Managini had potential otherwise he would not have stayed around so long, but BB also felt that Managini lacked the experience to be a HC and could barely handle the DC job.

If you wish to compare BB and EM go right ahead. BB was NOT successful in Cleveland. But after leaving he returned to being a DC under a very successful HC and used those years to reflect back on the mistakes he made so when his next opportunity came along he could maximize that opportunity.

EM wasn't ready to be an HC. If he gets lucky he will get hired somewhere as a DC and spend some time learning from his mistakes.

[docdhc]

Whether Mangini could someday be a great head coach and whether the Jets firing him was a mistake are two separate and distinct questions.

His mentor, Bill Belichick, obviously felt Managini had potential otherwise he would not have stayed around so long, but BB also felt that Managini lacked the experience to be a HC and could barely handle the DC job.

If you wish to compare BB and EM go right ahead. BB was NOT successful in Cleveland. But after leaving he returned to being a DC under a very successful HC and used those years to reflect back on the mistakes he made so when his next opportunity came along he could maximize that opportunity.

EM wasn't ready to be an HC. If he gets lucky he will get hired somewhere as a DC and spend some time learning from his mistakes.

I don't disagree with this, a few years as DC would probably do him good, but I think he could have gotten better while staying as HC also. I am disappointed he didn't get more time.

[Jetscode1]

Mike Shanahan, Bill Belichick, 2 coaches that come to mind quickly when thinking of young coaches fired early in their career who went on to win championships with someone else. What new coach wins a SB in their first 3 years of coaching? Parcells, didn't, Belly didn't, Cowher certainly didn't. Mangini wasn't a disaster, he had 2 out of three winning seasons. His QB this year went from playing well in a 5 game winning streak to throwing pick after pick in losing 4 out of 5. That wasn't the head coach throwing the picks. This team has been well prepared, doesn't commit a ton of stupid penalties, manages the clock well, is in shape and hasn't been ravaged by injuries...those are indicative of a good program. We quickly forget the disasters of the past with Kotite and Edwards. Mangini will get better as a coach over the next few years and I hate to think of him winning a super bowl somewhere else. We should have told Favre not to come back and have 12 million dollars of cap space to use, and not turn the whole program upside down. Now we are back to square one, we will wait until June before Favre makes up his mind, and will probably get a retread coach like Billick or Shottenheimer to take another 3-5 yr turn at mediocraty instead of a young coach who could have built a solid stable contender for years to come.

Eric Mangini had many positive attributes that he brought to the JETS...loyalty, (turning in the cheater Belicheck) intensive mental preparation in game situations, and a strong conditioning program. There were also several reasons that ulimately led to his dismissal...mainly arrogance. He built a game plan and never made any changes to how the opponent reacted. Football Outsiders had a nice stat last week that showed us in the top 10 defensively in the first half but somehow we slid to the bottom five in the second half. Adjustments always favored the opponents.

When he saw a weakness in one of the coordinators last year (Sutton) he thought he should make a change (or so it was reported) but his guy was unavailable (Rob Ryan) he continued with Sutton although he had doubts that Sutton was the best available coach for the team defense. He assumed he could wait out another year...

The facts show Eric Mangini was not ready for success. He may develop into a successful head coach (at what level I'm not sure) only if he adjust (hasn't shown this trait in anything yet) his leadership style. He's needs to learn how to inspire people with his personality (Dungy type cerebral) or builds a staff that complements his own. You mention that his teams were prepared and I agree to some point in regards to mental preparation but his leadership did not energize our team with enthusiasm during an ugly stretch at the end of the year against inferior competition. For that, he lost his job. To keep him another year hurts the team in the long run because it demeans the concept of accountability.

[Vicious89x]

Whether Mangini could someday be a great head coach and whether the Jets firing him was a mistake are two separate and distinct questions.

His mentor, Bill Belichick, obviously felt Managini had potential otherwise he would not have stayed around so long, but BB also felt that Managini lacked the experience to be a HC and could barely handle the DC job.

If you wish to compare BB and EM go right ahead. BB was NOT successful in Cleveland. But after leaving he returned to being a DC under a very successful HC and used those years to reflect back on the mistakes he made so when his next opportunity came along he could maximize that opportunity.

EM wasn't ready to be an HC. If he gets lucky he will get hired somewhere as a DC and spend some time learning from his mistakes.

Exactly. I do think Mangini COULD have potential but the NFL isn't a "develop" sort of league anymore, just look at the rookie QB's and the rookie coaches now. They are all performing as they hit the ground running.

[Jetscode1]

Whether Mangini could someday be a great head coach and whether the Jets firing him was a mistake are two separate and distinct questions.

His mentor, Bill Belichick, obviously felt Managini had potential otherwise he would not have stayed around so long, but BB also felt that Managini lacked the experience to be a HC and could barely handle the DC job.

If you wish to compare BB and EM go right ahead. BB was NOT successful in Cleveland. But after leaving he returned to being a DC under a very successful HC and used those years to reflect back on the mistakes he made so when his next opportunity came along he could maximize that opportunity.

EM wasn't ready to be an HC. If he gets lucky he will get hired somewhere as a DC and spend some time learning from his mistakes.

That was a good post!

[Jetscode1]

I don't disagree with this, a few years as DC would probably do him good, but I think he could have gotten better while staying as HC also. I am disappointed he didn't get more time.

There is no growth without failure...he is young and talented...some coach with give him another chance even though some may hold Spygate over his head.

[Borgoguy]

college coach at best!!!!!!

Good. Let him go join Pom Pom Pete Carroll.

[GodWearsAGrayHoodie]

There is no growth without failure...he is young and talented...some coach with give him another chance even though some may hold Spygate over his head.

I think that is going to be a problem for him.

Most failed HC go to their former boss or an assistant that they worked for, they have a very hard time getting a job with someone for whom they have no connections with.

BB went back to Parcells. Eric couldn't get a job as a mens room attendant at Gillette. (well maybe, but just for the pure entertainment value)

[ECURB]

college coach at best!!!!!!

No way... he is not a motivator... wrong type for anything but a Coordinator in the pros...

[afosomf]

No way... he is not a motivator... wrong type for anything but a Coordinator in the pros...

i did not say HC...did I;)

[Thai Jet]

Mangini had some good points. But you don't need to wait any longer than 3 years to realize he will never be able to adjust the way other NFL coaches have to. It is a fatal flaw for a Head Coach. This year was a perfect example. The other teams caught up to what the Jets were doing well, and they took it away. And mangini and crew did nothing, absolutely nothing, to adjust.

You make some great points D about Mangini not making any adjustments. He just seemed to set in his ways to admit a mistake. I do think however that we WILL regret canning Mangini. I equate this to Cleveland dumping Beliprick.

[Vicious89x]

You make some great points D about Mangini not making any adjustments. He just seemed to set in his ways to admit a mistake. I do think however that we WILL regret canning Mangini. I equate this to Cleveland dumping Beliprick.

You have to remember the perspective of things. BB was a highly vaunted, proven, battle tested DC. He then sucked, went back to his mentor, got better, more experience and then did what he did in Detroit. Mangini had 1 season as DC and not even a good season, hell BB took the playcalling away from him.

[Jetscode1]

I think that is going to be a problem for him.

Most failed HC go to their former boss or an assistant that they worked for, they have a very hard time getting a job with someone for whom they have no connections with.

BB went back to Parcells. Eric couldn't get a job as a mens room attendant at Gillette. (well maybe, but just for the pure entertainment value)

I'd be very interested in Bill Parcell's opinion of him and how Spygate played out...There were reports Parcells was counseling Tanney and Mangini about signing Faneca and some other moves before signing on with the Phish. Was he doing this out of loyalty/respect for Tanney or Mangini? Either way, some head coach will give Mangini an opportunity...maybe not as as DC right away but in another role (secondary coach) its possible...

[serphnx]

I think that is going to be a problem for him.

Most failed HC go to their former boss or an assistant that they worked for, they have a very hard time getting a job with someone for whom they have no connections with.

BB went back to Parcells. Eric couldn't get a job as a mens room attendant at Gillette. (well maybe, but just for the pure entertainment value)

He will need Crennel to get a job somewhere, and then Crennel would have to hire him. Then of course he'd get fired after a year when it became obvious he doesn't have a clue.

I don't see BB taking him back. I really don't see any team that would hire Mangini. Maybe KC, they like Jets retreads.

[GodWearsAGrayHoodie]

I'd be very interested in Bill Parcell's opinion of him and how Spygate played out...There were reports Parcells was counseling Tanney and Mangini about signing Faneca and some other moves before signing on with the Phish. Was he doing this out of loyalty/respect for Tanney or Mangini? Either way, some head coach will give Mangini an opportunity...maybe not as as DC right away but in another role (secondary coach) its possible...

Parcells is about EMs only connection that is not employed by the Jets or Pats and is in the NFL. But I don't think the Fins have any openings. And he isn't so good that you would make room just to have him.

I don't think BP commented on spygate. But BP strikes me as the kinda of guy who would be more inclined to smash the camera himself than tattletale to mommy.

[JetsTitans63]

Eric Mangini should seek employment at the local Pop Warner league in his hometown.

[ThisYearsModel]

This team has been well prepared, doesn't commit a ton of stupid penalties, manages the clock well,

Huh? What team were you watching?

[Jetscode1]

Parcells is about EMs only connection that is not employed by the Jets or Pats and is in the NFL. But I don't think the Fins have any openings. And he isn't so good that you would make room just to have him.

I don't think BP commented on spygate. But BP strikes me as the kinda of guy who would be more inclined to smash the camera himself than tattletale to mommy.

LOL...BP would proably smash the camera...but although it probably break some coach's code...at the time I thought it showed a sense of loyalty to the JETS. Mangini had no other ties except Belicheck but dimes out his mentor because he thought they were getting a competitive advantage...shows he favored his (then) current team more than his mentor...maybe not smart but other coaches may act less ethically.