GodWearsAGrayHoodie Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2606_Meet_your_2008_NFL_MVP.html Personally I think most of the "analysis" put forth by ESPN, SI, NFLN, Foxsports, CBSsports, NBCsports, etc sucks. The only two sites I like is CHFF and football outsiders. Cause they go beyond the hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardKoreXXX Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Besides Peyton Manning, who is more valuable to their team than Pennington? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Besides Peyton Manning, who is more valuable to their team than Pennington? he will finish in top 3, i made that statement 3 weeks ago and was laughed at and i'm not a CP luva that said, CP has yet to beat a real good Def in his career ravens will eat him up!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Most Valuable Pennington? Thats not hard to get... are you sure he locked it up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardKoreXXX Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 he will finish in top 3, i made that statement 3 weeks ago and was laughed at and i'm not a CP luva that said, CP has yet to beat a real good Def in his career ravens will eat him up!!! In his entire career he hasn't beaten a good defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 In his entire career he hasn't beaten a good defense? No not really... and when the team he is on has he played poorly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Dolphins scored less points than the Jets and whole bunch of other teams. Sorry-Pennington is a very smart guy but limited. If this is the MVP, does anyone expect him to get past the Ravens? The oddsmakers don't. Peyton Manning had the best year of any QB, throw out the stats. They didn't have Bob Sanders most fo the season, Harrison is going to seed, they started out 0-2, and yet they are right now the team no one in the AFC wants to play. Suspect if you asked the coaches who's the QB in the playoffs who scares the piss out of them, it's Manning. Watch the Ravens cheat up and shut down the vaunted MVP with the noodle arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 In his entire career he hasn't beaten a good defense? Before the surgeries.....yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Before the surgeries.....yes. name the game and date please!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 name the game and date please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You aren't going to get a response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 You aren't going to get a response. he is searching i'm sure!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Besides Peyton Manning, who is more valuable to their team than Pennington? Please tell me you kidding with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 In his entire career he hasn't beaten a good defense? LOL You'll get your answer in Miami's next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Just out of morbid curiosity I quickly glanced at this article. I jumped to the part where they tried to explain why and stopped after the first item. The first item discusses the difference in "adjusted" yard per attempt passing, which factors in sacks. So not only is this number padded by Chad's penchant for dump-off passes, but Chad also gets credit for the drafting of Jake Long and signing of Justin Smiley. I mean come on, are they freakin' serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 CHFF loves QB rating, hence they always liked Pennington.. Regardless, this is controversial declaration meant to drive page hits imo.. Imo, Pennington should and will get some votes since they finished the deal and won the division. But for all the Pennington vs. Manning vs Williams analysis, they are not considering how easy Miami's schedule was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardKoreXXX Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Please tell me you kidding with this. How many wins would we have without Pennington? As fas the term "valuable" goes, Chad has been right up there. You dont think we'd be 11-5 with Chad Henne or John Beck do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Besides Peyton Manning, who is more valuable to their team than Pennington? Joey Porter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 CHFF loves QB rating, hence they always liked Pennington.. Regardless, this is controversial declaration meant to drive page hits imo.. Imo, Pennington should and will get some votes since they finished the deal and won the division. But for all the Pennington vs. Manning vs Williams analysis, they are not considering how easy Miami's schedule was. he deserves top 3!!!!!! 1-15 to 11-5.. i could care less how easy the schedule was!!!! he beat out pats didn't he!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 he deserves top 3!!!!!! 1-15 to 11-5.. i could care less how easy the schedule was!!!! he beat out pats didn't he!!! Yes on tie breakers when the Pats lost half their team and the Jets mailed it in.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardKoreXXX Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 CHFF loves QB rating, hence they always liked Pennington.. Regardless, this is controversial declaration meant to drive page hits imo.. Imo, Pennington should and will get some votes since they finished the deal and won the division. But for all the Pennington vs. Manning vs Williams analysis, they are not considering how easy Miami's schedule was. You and that damn schedule. Chad beat the 49ers, Seahawks and Raiders, all teams the Jets lost to, then beat the Jets at the meadowlands. The MVP isn't about numbers, it's about ones value. This is why QB's or RB's generally win the award. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Yes on tie breakers when the Pats lost half their team and the Jets mailed it in.. doesn't matter!!! he deserves the accolades!!!!!!!! he outplayed Brett phucking favree!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardKoreXXX Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Joey Porter? No . Joey played well but has been invisible the last few weeks. Chad has played well enough to win just about every time out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 doesn't matter!!! he deserves the accolades!!!!!!!! he outplayed Brett phucking favree!!!!!!!! Not really. If our defense could hold onto INT's he would've gone down in flames.. I hope he plays like that next week, we'll all get a good laugh about the MVP.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Not really. If our defense could hold onto INT's he would've gone down in flames.. I hope he plays like that next week, we'll all get a good laugh about the MVP.. MVP vote is on reg season Peyton wins it, CP comes in 3rd!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Babe Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 LOL at this thread. according to CHFF: He's one of the most underrated players in NFL history. He's sparked a turnaround for the ages. And he's put up some pretty damn good numbers in what's been a statistically prominent, though injury-riddled career. yeah, i completely disagree. he's actually one of the most OVER rated players to me. he's only had maybe 2-3 seasons in his ENTIRE career where he actually earned his money. sure, the dolphins had a turn-around...but i think he was only a peice of it. chad couldn't have done it all by himself. and his stats have been heavily padded by short dump-off passes. over-rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Green Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Besides Peyton Manning, who is more valuable to their team than Pennington?Anyone of these guys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardKoreXXX Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Anyone of these guys... IMP Awards.com? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 I really beleive the Jets would have a better record, and won the division, had Penny been the QB. You basically ran the same offense you did when he was the in NY - except this year the Jets had a better o-line and run game. You need look no further than the last game. NO WAY Penny throws those rethaded Brett Favre picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2606_Meet_your_2008_NFL_MVP.html Personally I think most of the "analysis" put forth by ESPN, SI, NFLN, Foxsports, CBSsports, NBCsports, etc sucks. The only two sites I like is CHFF and football outsiders. Cause they go beyond the hype. Those dudes are smoking crack. Manning is the MVP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Besides Peyton Manning, who is more valuable to their team than Pennington? Porter did have like 90% of your sacks right? Pennington might not be the MVP on your team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 I really beleive the Jets would have a better record, and won the division, had Penny been the QB. You basically ran the same offense you did when he was the in NY - except this year the Jets had a better o-line and run game. You need look no further than the last game. NO WAY Penny throws those rethaded Brett Favre picks. You're right, he threw very different types of "rethaded Chad Pennington picks". The only difference is the Jets defenders decided not to catch them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Porter did have like 90% of your sacks right? Pennington might not be the MVP on your team porter was there last year...right...1-15 Penne is fins MVP ..not even close here i am a Penne hatah defending him!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardKoreXXX Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Porter did have like 90% of your sacks right? Pennington might not be the MVP on your team Again, Joey played well but didnt record a sack the last 2 or 3 games. Penny was the one constant and we wouldnt have sniffed the playoffs without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Again, Joey played well but didnt record a sack the last 2 or 3 games. Penny was the one constant and we wouldnt have sniffed the playoffs without him. I don't know....Porter gets the game ending sack against SF...how many sacks did he get in the game against Seattle? I know the Rams held him to 0 but you won a lot of close games that one sack could have been the difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Besides Peyton Manning, who is more valuable to their team than Pennington? Matt Ryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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