lancemehl Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 RATLIFF!!!!!!! Have we not seen enough of Willie Mays the Met. Start Fresh: Revis Lowery Leon Ratliff Mangold Brick Cotch Keller Honestly, take that #4 Favre off of that jersey and do you see a good QB??? honestly!!! honest!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 I'm seriously not going to bother arguing against Ratliff anymore. What it takes to get people to understand that a few throws in some ****ing PRESEASON game actually aren't enough to judge an NFL QB I just do not know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicBizkit87 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 We gave someone ****ty like Kellen Clemens a try, why the hell not on Ratliff? Ratliff is way better then Clemens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerichoholic Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 We gave someone ****ty like Kellen Clemens a try, why the hell not on Ratliff? Ratliff is way better then Clemens. desperation ... not the best thing either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowmoe57 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Worked for Ryan and Flacco -- wouldn't hurt none considering whats out there -- If I never see Favre in a Jets uni again it will be too soon. Bah I'm still just pissed off - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed3 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 I like #5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 I'm seriously not going to bother arguing against Ratliff anymore. What it takes to get people to understand that a few throws in some ****ing PRESEASON game actually aren't enough to judge an NFL QB I just do not know. I sincerely doubt Ratliff could have performed worse than Favre over the final 5 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 I sincerely doubt Ratliff could have performed worse than Favre over the final 5 games. That still doesn't factor into whether or not he should be the QB of the future. You know my stance on this. I liked what he did in the preseason but to think we use that as an accurate reflection of what type of QB he'll be in the NFL is actually insane. He hasn't taken a snap and we still have no idea what type of QB he'll be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 wish in one hand s*** in the other, see which one fills up faster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 We gave someone ****ty like Kellen Clemens a try, why the hell not on Ratliff? Ratliff is way better then Clemens. yeah since he looked good in a couple preseason games. I'd like to have seen Ratliff behind that oline in '07...he'd look like a bust too. Clemens deserves a fair chance just as much as anybody. Good oline=good qb's...Ask the largely overrated Matt Cassel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFan Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 <Disclaimer> I admit my "knowledge" of NFL is limited compared to alot of you on these boards, so "bear" with me ... There are both "pro's" and "con's" in giving a "rookie" QB a starting position ... If we take the Packers, Aron Rodgers has actually done quite well in the past season, however, he "seemingly" "flunked" in those games, where it was up to him (possibly due to "inexperience") On the "other" side of this argument could be said that the "same" Packers (as a team) failed miserably going from 13-3 last season to a 6-10 this season ... - One of the "missing" pieces (on the Packers in my opponion) was the No. 4 "Factor" ... - He is truly a great "leader" and inspiration (both to watch, but also if you hear what others say of him). Rodgers having several Years already "behind" No. 4 (in my book), doesn't "relieve" him of responsibility - I think Rodgers should be able to "manage" in a system and with players he has been "around" for several years ... Given how late No. 4 came into the Jets Team, - in my opponion, I still believe he did "okay" ... a WHOLE new play-book and play-system to learn (and that takes quite alot I think) ... Personally I hope No. 4 will be back next season, and with another (more agressive) headcoach, I believe we'll see a whole lot of improvement, especially since No. 4 will know alot more about the system and play-book than he did entering this season. - He may be "old and gray", but he can still play ... So what if he threw 22 interceptions ? - To me, No. 4 was a HUGE factor in the great season Thomas Jones has had this year - Teams just don't "stack" the box with No. 4 behind center ... and lets face it ... T. Jones is no AP ... I'll probably get "hammered" now, for saying this, but all in all ... I don't think the NY Jets did so "bad" this season ... and with Mangini gone, I do actually think there "is light at the end of the tunnel" ... Regards, and Happy New Year from Scandinavia !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 <Disclaimer> I admit my "knowledge" of NFL is limited compared to alot of you on these boards, so "bear" with me ... There are both "pro's" and "con's" in giving a "rookie" QB a starting position ... If we take the Packers, Aron Rodgers has actually done quite well in the past season, however, he "seemingly" "flunked" in those games, where it was up to him (possibly due to "inexperience") On the "other" side of this argument could be said that the "same" Packers (as a team) failed miserably going from 13-3 last season to a 6-10 this season ... - One of the "missing" pieces (on the Packers in my opponion) was the No. 4 "Factor" ... - He is truly a great "leader" and inspiration (both to watch, but also if you hear what others say of him). Rodgers having several Years already "behind" No. 4 (in my book), doesn't "relieve" him of responsibility - I think Rodgers should be able to "manage" in a system and with players he has been "around" for several years ... Given how late No. 4 came into the Jets Team, - in my opponion, I still believe he did "okay" ... a WHOLE new play-book and play-system to learn (and that takes quite alot I think) ... Personally I hope No. 4 will be back next season, and with another (more agressive) headcoach, I believe we'll see a whole lot of improvement, especially since No. 4 will know alot more about the system and play-book than he did entering this season. - He may be "old and gray", but he can still play ... So what if he threw 22 interceptions ? - To me, No. 4 was a HUGE factor in the great season Thomas Jones has had this year - Teams just don't "stack" the box with No. 4 behind center ... and lets face it ... T. Jones is no AP ... I'll probably get "hammered" now, for saying this, but all in all ... I don't think the NY Jets did so "bad" this season ... and with Mangini gone, I do actually think there "is light at the end of the tunnel" ... Regards, and Happy New Year from Scandinavia !!! BTW i loved your danish hot dogs!!! oops that didn't sound right:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 You want him? Like sexually? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Have to keep all options open. Yes, I am one of those who loved what I saw in Ratliff, both in TC and the pre-season games. But it is entirely different in real games against 1st stringers. And he doesn't have the pedigree of a 1st round pick. So there is even more risk, then say, giving the job to an unproven Aaron Rogers. There is no reason to write off Clemens yet or even discount Ainge. And put away the pitchforks and torches, there is no reason to throw away Favre yet. Let's see what the MRI results are, and who the new coach will be. Keep options open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 I'm seriously not going to bother arguing against Ratliff anymore. What it takes to get people to understand that a few throws in some ****ing PRESEASON game actually aren't enough to judge an NFL QB I just do not know. Preach on brutha!!!! Brett Ratliff: Hall of Famer on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Good oline=good qb's...Ask the largely overrated Matt Cassel. If you are going to use Cassel as an example, then you need to amend your statement to good line/and or a line that the refs let get away with constant holding = good QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Take if for what it's worth...Francesa on the FAN yesterday said the Jets are very high on Ratliff. He's my choice as well from the day we drafted him...we'll see. All opinions are open until judgment day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 We gave someone ****ty like Kellen Clemens a try, why the hell not on Ratliff? Ratliff is way better then Clemens. Here's what I do not understtand. I have heard in recent days so many broadcasters saying that Chad could not have succeeded last year behind that awful OL, so last year was hardly his fault. Yet everyone says KC, behind the SAME OL, was terrible. I honestly have reservations about his accuracy, but I just do not get the logic stream in the argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Take if for what it's worth...Francesa on the FAN yesterday said the Jets are very high on Ratliff. He's my choice as well from the day we drafted him...we'll see. All opinions are open until judgment day. We never drafted him. He was an undrafted Free Agent in 2007 who ran the 2007 Practice Squad and in 2008 played in two Preseason Games and was only effective when David Clowney was there to run underneath his lobs against the Beer Truck and UPS Drivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 We never drafted him. He was an undrafted Free Agent in 2007 who ran the 2007 Practice Squad and in 2008 played in two Preseason Games and was only effective when David Clowney was there to run underneath his lobs against the Beer Truck and UPS Drivers. OKay, whatever...I liked the guy from the day he put on a Jets uni...how's that Joe?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Take if for what it's worth...Francesa on the FAN yesterday said the Jets are very high on Ratliff. Who are these Jets who are high on Ratliff? The coach normally decides these things and he just got fired. Our new coach hasn't even been selected yet. Maybe Tannenbaum likes him, I don't know. But Tannenbaum is the general manager, not the field manager, and the most he can do for Ratliff is to put in a good word for him and get him invited to training camp. The way an undrafted free agent QB gets to run the team is to get an invite to training camp, impress them enough so that they think you might have some potential as a backup, and play well when given the opportunities in exhibitions. Only then might the coach decide at some point to turn the team over to you. When the coach who saw you through this process from the beginning is fired, where are you? You're not a valuable commodity that they spent a high draft pick on, the team has no committment to you. If Tannenbaum puts in a good word for you that will greatly help, but a new coach is likely to have his own ideas about how to select a starting QB. Ratliff had better hope the new man is impressed by what he sees on those tapes of last preseason, because the new coach might well be inviting some of "his guys" to the training camp next year-guys who have already impressed him from his previous team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 There is no reason to write off Clemens yet or even discount Ainge. And put away the pitchforks and torches, there is no reason to throw away Favre yet. Let's see what the MRI results are, and who the new coach will be. Wow, I'd completely forgotten about Ainge. But there are plenty of reasons to abandon Favre. Hie age, number of interceptions, and $12M salary all come to mind. The division winning fish had 13 total turnovers this year, Favre nearly doubled that total on his own. Think that came into play in the standings? I never wanted Favre in the first place because I never believed he'd get us a Super Bowl, and I figured he'd just stunt the development of the QB's we had. I'm glad we didn't even make the playoffs with him, so we only give up a 3rd round pick. If he doesn't stay on in '09, we get another late pick back from the Pack. Just another incentive to let him go. The Ratliff bandwagon is another thing entirely. I'd love for him to be the savior, but he probably isn't. The new coach needs to get started here ASAP to determine the direction of the QB situation. I always root for the guys on the roster, but I don't know if we have a viable QB on the Jets - even with the legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 OKay, whatever...I liked the guy from the day he put on a Jets uni...how's that Joe?! Blasphemy!!! You are not allowed to like somebody's potential based upon what you have seen. You have to wait for a great mind like Eric Mangini to acknowledge their ability, see them display that ability in regular season games, wait for another great mind like John Clayton to say they are good and then you may proceed to the bandwagon and get on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Wow, I'd completely forgotten about Ainge. But there are plenty of reasons to abandon Favre. Hie age, number of interceptions, and $12M salary all come to mind. The division winning fish had 13 total turnovers this year, Favre nearly doubled that total on his own. Think that came into play in the standings? I don't disagree. I am just saying there is no reason to get rid of him now. They should find out if he has been playing with a bad shoulder, who the new coach will be, etc. I believe there is no deferred money in his contract, so whether he retires now or in the spring, I don't think makes a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 RATLIFF!!!!!!! wow, it's so clever the way you did that with the thread title and then pulled a fast one on us by saying "Ratliff" in thread. With all your bitching about Favre this year I really thought you had reconsidered overnight and didn't see this coming at all.. If Ratliff can beat out Clemens then great.. I still think we bring in a vet though as they'll be looking to win now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsTitans63 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 We never drafted him. He was an undrafted Free Agent in 2007 who ran the 2007 Practice Squad and in 2008 played in two Preseason Games and was only effective when David Clowney was there to run underneath his lobs against the Beer Truck and UPS Drivers. Whats wrong with beer truck and ups drivers.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsrockmyworld Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Whatever happened to Clemens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InstantClassic Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 I'm seriously not going to bother arguing against Ratliff anymore. What it takes to get people to understand that a few throws in some ****ing PRESEASON game actually aren't enough to judge an NFL QB I just do not know. Just like Clowney, who was hailed as nothing more than a pre-season wonder? Face facts, when his number was called he made a great play, and in Seattle had a sure TD had Favruh not put the ball 7 yards behind him. Do you not understand what the pre-season is for? Players earn and lose jobs in the pre-season. Two players that were successful were Clowney and Ratliff, that's why they are still here. They need to get a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 I'm seriously not going to bother arguing against Ratliff anymore. What it takes to get people to understand that a few throws in some ****ing PRESEASON game actually aren't enough to judge an NFL QB I just do not know. but does it warrant giving him a shot!???? You don't read my posts sometimes, i didn't say i wanted him to definitely start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 wow, it's so clever the way you did that with the thread title and then pulled a fast one on us by saying "Ratliff" in thread. With all your bitching about Favre this year I really thought you had reconsidered overnight and didn't see this coming at all.. If Ratliff can beat out Clemens then great.. I still think we bring in a vet though as they'll be looking to win now.. why must you guys always be sarcastic, i get it, i'm a douchebag! lol but, i agree with you about bringing in a vet, i'm not annointing Ratliff, i'm saying jump him over clemens, let him start off one and have a vet to be a mentor and stop gap, definitely with you there. Clemens to me is not anyone to "beat out" he's a career backup or 3rd string. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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