There was a backup plan, right?

[Lady Jet]

When I first watched Woody in the presser after the game, I thought, "Wow! He's finally getting tougher as an owner".

So great, he was going to take a week to evaluate what happened, and where we would go (coaches, QB, etc.). He left a definitive impression that Mangini, in particular was not safe.

He implied he would also look at the players, etc. as 9-7 was not as good as he had wished to go.

Again, great! I have no problem that he was considering replacing Mangini, that was the obvious thing to do. Favre was something he should have thought about too.

But when he fired Mangini outright, the very next morning, I figured he must have already had a coach in mind that he could tap, that would be an immediate step up.

The more this drags on though, the more it is obvious that this is not the case.

It seems that this was a decision made on "fan-like" emotions, by the seat-of-his-pants, rather than a business decision with the best interest of the team in mind.

I'm not excusing Mangini, he certainly deserves some blame, although it does not lie entirely on him.

And yes, fire him if you think you can replace him with someone better. But it has to be like Parcells better, or Cowher better, otherwise it just isn't worth it.

Sheesh, some of the names now being floated prove that it certainly can be worse.

Not only that, but we just threw away the last three years, because a new coach will want to start all over, ...... from scratch, ..... again!!!!

yikes.

Oh, and Tannenbaum needs to go too, for this to really work.

[ECURB]

When I first watched Woody in the presser after the game, I thought, "Wow! He's finally getting tougher as an owner".

So great, he was going to take a week to evaluate what happened, and where we would go (coaches, QB, etc.). He left a definitive impression that Mangini, in particular was not safe.

He implied he would also look at the players, etc. as 9-7 was not as good as he had wished to go.

Again, great! I have no problem that he was considering replacing Mangini, that was the obvious thing to do. Favre was something he should have thought about too.

But when he fired Mangini outright, the very next morning, I figured he must have already had a coach in mind that he could tap, that would be an immediate step up.

The more this drags on though, the more it is obvious that this is not the case.

It seems that this was a decision made on "fan-like" emotions, by the seat-of-his-pants, rather than a business decision with the best interest of the team in mind.

I'm not excusing Mangini, he certainly deserves some blame, although it does not lie entirely on him.

And yes, fire him if you think you can replace him with someone better. But it has to be like Parcells better, or Cowher better, otherwise it just isn't worth it.

Sheesh, some of the names now being floated prove that it certainly can be worse.

Not only that, but we just threw away the last three years, because a new coach will want to start all over, ...... from scratch, ..... again!!!!

yikes.

Oh, and Tannenbaum needs to go too, for this to really work.

NOt true at all... even if they had someone in mind it could take weeks... they couldnt talk to assistants officially until yesterday.... it takes time to iron out a contract... they need to meet rules about interviewing minorities...

Your reading too much into this... only 24 hours into this...

[JMJ]

NOt true at all... even if they had someone in mind it could take weeks... they couldnt talk to assistants officially until yesterday.... it takes time to iron out a contract... they need to meet rules about interviewing minorities...

Your reading too much into this... only 24 hours into this...

Word.

She said, "the more this drags on." LOL

It has been a day.

[war ensemble]

Oh, and Tannenbaum needs to go too, for this to really work.

I disagree there. He's assembled a boat-load of talent for Mangini to work with last offseason; it's not his fault we didn't win. Firing Mangini was a move made by Woody, and I have no problems with how Tannenbaum has handled this team.

[Lady Jet]

NOt true at all... even if they had someone in mind it could take weeks... they couldnt talk to assistants officially until yesterday.... it takes time to iron out a contract... they need to meet rules about interviewing minorities...

Your reading too much into this... only 24 hours into this...

Baloney! If they had a big plan in mind, it would have leaked.

We'll just all pretend that the coach that wind up with in two weeks, is the greatest thing since sliced bread and is ready to lead us to the superbowl. Just like we always do.

[ECURB]

Baloney! If they had a big plan in mind, it would have leaked.

We'll just all pretend that the coach that wind up with in two weeks, is the greatest thing since sliced bread and is ready to lead us to the superbowl. Just like we always do.

lol

Sorry

Nice try though!

[Lady Jet]

I disagree there. He's assembled a boat-load of talent for Mangini to work with last offseason; it's not his fault we didn't win. .

Sell that to Dan Snyder. That's kind of a snakey/sneaky attitude for me. You can't buy a team in football. You need to build it. It takes time.

Mangini was doing fairly well with that, albiet not fast enough for some. He's certainly left a heck of a base of young talent for the next coach to inherit... unlike what he was handed.

[ECURB]

Sell that to Dan Snyder. That's kind of a snakey/sneaky attitude for me. You can't buy a team in football. You need to build it. It takes time.

Mangini was doing fairly well with that, albiet not fast enough for some. He's certainly left a heck of a base of young talent for the next coach to inherit... unlike what he was handed.

and used none of it properly... lol

Mangini had a stacked 7 probowler team... and blew it...

[war ensemble]

Sell that to Dan Snyder. That's kind of a snakey/sneaky attitude for me. You can't buy a team in football. You need to build it. It takes time.

Mangini was doing fairly well with that, albiet not fast enough for some. He's certainly left a heck of a base of young talent for the next coach to inherit... unlike what he was handed.

He got us a 7 Pro Bowler team. Mangini just couldn't handle them. The blame for that goes straight to the head coach. Tannenbaum's job is to get the best players on the team, and he did that remarkably, with a mix of both youth and veterans. Mangini just couldn't follow it up.

[BroadwayJ667]

i really have no idea what's going on? ECURB, i really hope your sig turns out to be true. because i'm really thinking Woody overreacted, and now the Jets could be up s*** creek.

shanahan might be a good alternative, so long as he is only the coach.

M. Schott, fine if you want the Jets to win a lot of games and fail in the playoffs.

Spags, start over, vilma trade for nothing, next year a wash

if this team keeps starting over because the fan are never satisfied, this team will never get anywhere but faint teases of hope.

i'm tired of hope

[JMJ]

i really have no idea what's going on? ECURB, i really hope your sig turns out to be true. because i'm really thinking Woody overreacted, and now the Jets could be up s*** creek.

shanahan might be a good alternative, so long as he is only the coach.

M. Schott, fine if you want the Jets to win a lot of games and fail in the playoffs.

Spags, start over, vilma trade for nothing, next year a wash

if this team keeps starting over because the fan are never satisfied, this team will never get anywhere but faint teases of hope.

i'm tired of hope

Regardless of who we hire, whether you and I love it or hate it, it doesn't change the fact that Mangini deserved to be fired.

One is totally not related to the other. Mangini punched his own ticket out of town with his actions (or lack there of). Period.

[Lady Jet]

He got us a 7 Pro Bowler team. Mangini just couldn't handle them. The blame for that goes straight to the head coach. Tannenbaum's job is to get the best players on the team, and he did that remarkably, with a mix of both youth and veterans. Mangini just couldn't follow it up.

Tannenbaum has been with us since '97, and has been in charge of bringing in the "best guys" for at least three coaches now, ....Groh, ...Herm, .... Mangini.

After awhile, you have to consider if he is reponsible for bringing in all the "primadonnas" and, to quote Jetmo, "ass-scratchers and lollygaggers".

It's freakin' epidemic.

[BroadwayJ667]

Regardless of who we hire, whether you and I love it or hate it, it doesn't change the fact that Mangini deserved to be fired.

One is totally not related to the other. Mangini punched his own ticket out of town with his actions (or lack there of). Period.

perhaps, but it's hard to do well when the two most important pieces of your team vanish, Favre and Jenkins.

Favre I will make no excuses for, but Jenkins, he was hurt in the Pyrrhic victory in tennessee.

i can't defend the questionable decisions by eric, yet i still think ya have to give him one more year, he had two winning seasons.

I am really conflicted by this

[Lady Jet]

if this team keeps starting over because the fan are never satisfied, this team will never get anywhere but faint teases of hope.

i'm tired of hope

Bingo, and ditto!

[JMJ]

i can't defend the questionable decisions by eric, yet i still think ya have to give him one more year, he had two winning seasons.

I am really conflicted by this

We finished 9-7.

We didn't deserve one of our wins since Dick Jauron handed it to us like an idiot passing for no reason. We should have lost that (must win) game on our home field vs. Buffalo. Even the staunchest Mangini fans can't deny that.

That leaves him 8-8.

3 of our 9 wins came against the 2-14 Rams, the 2-14 Chiefs, and the 3-12-1 Bengals. And 2 of them came against the 7-9 Bills.

We lost games to Oakland (5-11), Seattle (4-12), and San Francisco (6-10).

We undoubtedly are more talented than the 3 teams mentioned above, so by losing, that means we were outcoached. That means Mangini should have been 12-4 at a MINIMUM.

How bout the Denver game at home? How bout the Pats game in week 2 when they were playing their first game in SEVEN YEARS without Brady and Matt Cassell's first start since high school? Our home opener! Think we should have won both of those?

See how easy we could be 14-2 with this crappy schedule we played?

To go 9-7 and miss the playoffs with the joke of schedule we played is a monumental FAIL. He should not be praised for that and obviously wasn't.

He 1,000% deserved his firing.

[BroadwayJ667]

We finished 9-7.

We didn't deserve one of our wins since Dick Jauron handed it to us like an idiot passing for no reason. We should have lost that (must win) game on our home field vs. Buffalo. Even the staunchest Mangini fans can't deny that.

That leaves him 8-8.

3 of our 9 wins came against the 2-14 Rams, the 2-14 Chiefs, and the 3-12-1 Bengals. And 2 of them came against the 7-9 Bills.

We lost games to Oakland (5-11), Seattle (4-12), and San Francisco (6-10).

We undoubtedly are more talented than the 3 teams mentioned above, so by losing, that means we were outcoached. That means Mangini should have been 12-4 at a MINIMUM.

How bout the Denver game at home? How bout the Pats game in week 2 when they were playing their first game in SEVEN YEARS without Brady and Matt Cassell's first start since high school? Our home opener! Think we should have won both of those?

See how easy we could be 14-2 with this crappy schedule we played?

To go 9-7 and miss the playoffs with the joke of schedule we played is a monumental FAIL. He should not be praised for that and obviously wasn't.

He 1,000% deserved his firing.

oh yeah it sooooo easy to coach grown men, each with different personalities, being paid millions of dollars and trying to get them to believe in what you're trying to do. It's why dallas is the envy of the league right now.

week 2 against the pats, the jets were still trying to find out who they were.

look i get it, the team underachieved, but it's not as easy as we all make it out to be.

don't trivialize the difficulty to being a head coach and trying to beat another team

[Jetsfan80]

oh yeah it sooooo easy to coach grown men, each with different personalities, being paid millions of dollars and trying to get them to believe in what you're trying to do. It's why dallas is the envy of the league right now.

week 2 against the pats, the jets were still trying to find out who they were.

look i get it, the team underachieved, but it's not as easy as we all make it out to be.

don't trivialize the difficulty to being a head coach and trying to beat another team

No one is "trivializing" the difficulty of being a HC, but the fact is, the things you speak of (finding an identity, outplaying other teams) always come down to the coach, and at least half, maybe more, of the coaches in this league seemed to do a better job at leading their teams than Mangini. That warrants being fired.

[BroadwayJ667]

No one is "trivializing" the difficulty of being a HC, but the fact is, the things you speak of (finding an identity, outplaying other teams) always come down to the coach, and at least half, maybe more, of the coaches in this league seemed to do a better job at leading their teams than Mangini. That warrants being fired.

ok maybe i misused trivialized, it's been my word of the day, hehe.

i get your point, i understand the firing, i just don't like it because i'm really tired of this turnover BS

[Jaded Green]

The only plan they have is do whatever it takes to get Favre back.

Brett already gave them his shiort list of coaches, don't worry they are working on it.

B Favre is calling the shots!!!

[BroadwayJ667]

The only plan they have is do whatever it takes to get Favre back.

Brett already gave them his shiort list of coaches, don't worry they are working on it.

B Favre is calling the shots!!!

with woody johnson being the latest "man crush" victim, you might be right

[Jaded Green]

It just doesn't matter, it just doesn't matter, it just doesn't matter, it just doesn't matter!!!

brett favre AKA Meatballs...

g3S_k1dRbXY

[victorjets]

When I first watched Woody in the presser after the game, I thought, "Wow! He's finally getting tougher as an owner".

So great, he was going to take a week to evaluate what happened, and where we would go (coaches, QB, etc.). He left a definitive impression that Mangini, in particular was not safe.

He implied he would also look at the players, etc. as 9-7 was not as good as he had wished to go.

Again, great! I have no problem that he was considering replacing Mangini, that was the obvious thing to do. Favre was something he should have thought about too.

But when he fired Mangini outright, the very next morning, I figured he must have already had a coach in mind that he could tap, that would be an immediate step up.

The more this drags on though, the more it is obvious that this is not the case.

It seems that this was a decision made on "fan-like" emotions, by the seat-of-his-pants, rather than a business decision with the best interest of the team in mind.

I'm not excusing Mangini, he certainly deserves some blame, although it does not lie entirely on him.

And yes, fire him if you think you can replace him with someone better. But it has to be like Parcells better, or Cowher better, otherwise it just isn't worth it.

Sheesh, some of the names now being floated prove that it certainly can be worse.

Not only that, but we just threw away the last three years, because a new coach will want to start all over, ...... from scratch, ..... again!!!!

yikes.

Oh, and Tannenbaum needs to go too, for this to really work.

POTW NOM

Knee-jerk heat-of-the-moment decisions. It seems like Madmike and Assmop are running this team.

[afosomf]

POTW NOM

Knee-jerk heat-of-the-moment decisions. It seems like Madmike and Assmop are running this team.

yeah i'm still waiting for woody's paycheck!!!!!!!

when i get it...jello shots for all

[aec4]

When I first watched Woody in the presser after the game, I thought, "Wow! He's finally getting tougher as an owner".

So great, he was going to take a week to evaluate what happened, and where we would go (coaches, QB, etc.). He left a definitive impression that Mangini, in particular was not safe.

He implied he would also look at the players, etc. as 9-7 was not as good as he had wished to go.

Again, great! I have no problem that he was considering replacing Mangini, that was the obvious thing to do. Favre was something he should have thought about too.

But when he fired Mangini outright, the very next morning, I figured he must have already had a coach in mind that he could tap, that would be an immediate step up.

The more this drags on though, the more it is obvious that this is not the case.

It seems that this was a decision made on "fan-like" emotions, by the seat-of-his-pants, rather than a business decision with the best interest of the team in mind.

I'm not excusing Mangini, he certainly deserves some blame, although it does not lie entirely on him.

And yes, fire him if you think you can replace him with someone better. But it has to be like Parcells better, or Cowher better, otherwise it just isn't worth it.

Sheesh, some of the names now being floated prove that it certainly can be worse.

Not only that, but we just threw away the last three years, because a new coach will want to start all over, ...... from scratch, ..... again!!!!

yikes.

Oh, and Tannenbaum needs to go too, for this to really work.

NO NFL HC hiring job can happen in a snap thanks to the Rooney Rule, so if you were thinking that was going to happen, you were mistaken.

[Jet Blast]

The Jets would be STUPID if they hired a HC without interviewing other viable candidates. There are several other pretty good possibilities out there, and if they shoot from the hip and hire someone without a thorough search, then they are doing the team a disservice.

[afosomf]

The Jets would be STUPID if they hired a HC without interviewing other viable candidates. There are several other pretty good possibilities out there, and if they shoot from the hip and hire someone without a thorough search, then they are doing the team a disservice.

cowher was a no brainer choice

this franchise is truly phucked!!!!

[faba]

Cowher does not want to coach in 2009- time to move on- stop the crying -lets get the best guy out there with competent coaching staff.

Three rookie coaches this year made the playoffs- you just need the right combo.

[Jet Blast]

cowher was a no brainer choice

this franchise is truly phucked!!!!

I agree Cowher was an outstanding choice (and probably the best choice). I do not agree that he was a no brainer. I don't want my front office shooting from hip and I would be pissed off if they didn't interview some of the other good candidates out there. After that, I would have been fine with choosing Cowher. This is an important hire and they must make sure they have the right guy.

[Jet Blast]

Tannenbaum has been with us since '97, and has been in charge of bringing in the "best guys" for at least three coaches now, ....Groh, ...Herm, .... Mangini.

After awhile, you have to consider if he is reponsible for bringing in all the "primadonnas" and, to quote Jetmo, "ass-scratchers and lollygaggers".

It's freakin' epidemic.

With all due respect, your facts are not completely correct...

Tannenbaum was the "capologist" until AFTER Mangini was hired by Bradway. At that point he was elevated to GM and started weighing in on player choices. Prior to after Mangini's hiring, Bradway was making those decisions. Tannenbaum was never in charge of bringing in the players for Al and Herm.