NIGHT STALKER Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2008/12/31/2008-12-31_thomas_jones_blasts_brett_favre_for_inte.html Kind of sums up my thoughts as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 This franchise is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 1, 2009 Author Share Posted January 1, 2009 Jets teammate: Distant Favre created resentmentBY ARTHUR STAPLE | arthur.staple@newsday.com; Staff writer Erik Boland January 1, 2009 If Brett Favre wants to play another year with the Jets, he'll have to work a lot harder to win over his teammates than he did this season. "There was a lot of resentment in the room about him," a Jets player told Newsday yesterday. He requested anonymity because team owner Woody Johnson has stated publicly that Favre is welcome to return next season if he wants to. (Favre reportedly will take until the end of February to decide about returning.) The 39-year-old quarterback is not as welcome with his teammates, according to this veteran. After the Jets traded for Favre Aug. 6, the sure Hall of Famer made no effort to ingratiate himself with the already assembled team, the veteran said. He said Favre spent most of his down time at the practice facility in an office specially designated for him near the equipment room, not with teammates in the locker room, even after the media departed. "He never socialized with us, never went to dinner with anyone," the player said. Asked to describe Favre in a word, he said: "Distant." There was more of the same sentiment from Thomas Jones, who was interviewed on Hot 97 FM Tuesday. Jones wanted to make it clear he wasn't blaming only Favre but said, "At the same time, you can't turn the ball over and expect to win. The other day, the three interceptions really hurt us. You don't like it. I don't like it and I know everybody else on the team doesn't like it, but all you can do is fight [through it]." Jones reinforced comments made by other Jets Monday, when the team broke up for the season in complete disarray after Sunday's 24-17 loss to the Dolphins. On Monday, Kerry Rhodes said: "If he's dedicated and he wants to come back and do this, and do it the right way ... and be here when we're here in training camp and the minicamps and working out with us ... then I'm fine with it. But don't come back if it's going to be halfhearted or he doesn't want to put the time in with us." A foxsports.com report Sunday said Favre wasn't happy being called out by Eric Mangini in front of the team, as the coach did with all of his players when they made mistakes. But the Jet who requested anonymity said that didn't seem to be the case. "If [Favre] was hurt by that stuff, I'd be shocked, because Eric barely said anything to him," the player said. "Guys would be getting called out for missed assignments or blown coverages, and Brett would have three picks and no one would say a word." Mangini addressed the team for the last time Monday. The player said the former coach revealed a much different side than he showed before, telling players he'd been tough and aloof only to get the most out of them. According to the player - and he was backed by very supportive comments about Mangini from other Jets - very few in the room thought Mangini deserved to be fired, and that the acquisition of Favre and his subsequent "me-first" attitude hurt the Jets more than anything. "Eric," he said, "wasn't the reason we didn't make the playoffs." Staff writer Erik Boland contributed to this story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I'll tell you one thing though NS...it's a short list the number of coaches in this game who would have the balls to bench Favre, and TJ is right he SHOULD have been. Kellen Clemens might have even won 2 of those last games we lost-but we'll never know now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I call BS. .easy to say this crap after the season. Let's say somehow we lose the games we lost but Favre threw fr 9 TD, 2 INT (say our D let out) .. Do people still say this crap? Nope. This is the media being the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I'll tell you one thing though NS...it's a short list the number of coaches in this game who would have the balls to bench Favre, and TJ is right he SHOULD have been. Kellen Clemens might have even won 2 of those last games we lost-but we'll never know now Kellen Clemens WIN those games? hahaah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I'm not a Thomas Jones fan but he's 100% right in those comments. It's also confirms my fear all along with this season in that the Jets players (Regardless of what they might have said publicly) simply did not take to Brett Favre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I call BS. .easy to say this crap after the season. Let's say somehow we lose the games we lost but Favre threw fr 9 TD, 2 INT (say our D let out) .. Do people still say this crap? Nope. This is the media being the media. Did you even read the articles? If he only threw 2 INT how could someone complain about him throwing 3 INT in one game? If he actually performed down the stretch why would anyone complain? Use some common sense man. Just because TJ didn't play in Class A doesn't mean he isn't entitled to an opinion, the man DOES play professional football. But I do agree a lot of what was said is full of ****. Especially Rhodes. Hey Rhodes, you bitch, where the **** were you? I'd say this straight to Hollywood Rhode's face. Of course, I'd have to chase after him to get INTO his face, since he'd be avoiding me just like he avoids offensive players. He's faster than me so that actually might be kinda tough. It's too bad he ran away from all the offensive players instead of running at them with his speed, or maybe he'd make some damn plays. Instead all I ever see him do is slam the turf with his fist and act like he just barely missed something. So Brett Favre plays on defense now? Because that defense didn't show up either. Either the players didn't show up or the coaching didn't, so either Mangini or the players are to blame. And if it's the players, then their endorsement of Mangini rings hollow. Herm is the most liked coach in the NFL, that doesn't make him a good coach. These guys support Mangini now, where were they all season? Why didn't anybody go to Mangini and say hey when are you going to bench Favre he sucks? The Broncos players all asked for Cutler over Bledsoe, and Bledsoe played way better. Also Cutler is a whiny primadonna just like Favre, frankly I am not impressed with Cutler's play or personality. I used to want the guy but now I think it's a good thing the Jets didn't draft him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Kellen Clemens WIN those games? hahaah. more like Clemens play worse than Favre did? hahahaha....2tds and 9 pics in 5 games is absolutely terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 The players (Jones included) should just shut up. the Jets wanted no part of the Dolphins last Sunday. you could see it during the players introductions. I don't want Favre back, but to put all the blame on him for last Sunday is pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 1, 2009 Author Share Posted January 1, 2009 Did you even read the articles? If he only threw 2 INT how could someone complain about him throwing 3 INT in one game? If he actually performed down the stretch why would anyone complain? Use some common sense man. Just because TJ didn't play in Class A doesn't mean he isn't entitled to an opinion, the man DOES play professional football. But I do agree a lot of what was said is full of ****. Especially Rhodes. Hey Rhodes, you bitch, where the **** were you? I'd say this straight to Hollywood Rhode's face. Of course, I'd have to chase after him to get INTO his face, since he'd be avoiding me just like he avoids offensive players. He's faster than me so that actually might be kinda tough. It's too bad he ran away from all the offensive players instead of running at them with his speed, or maybe he'd make some damn plays. Instead all I ever see him do is slam the turf with his fist and act like he just barely missed something. So Brett Favre plays on defense now? Because that defense didn't show up either. Either the players didn't show up or the coaching didn't, so either Mangini or the players are to blame. And if it's the players, then their endorsement of Mangini rings hollow. Herm is the most liked coach in the NFL, that doesn't make him a good coach. These guys support Mangini now, where were they all season? Why didn't anybody go to Mangini and say hey when are you going to bench Favre he sucks? The Broncos players all asked for Cutler over Bledsoe, and Bledsoe played way better. Also Cutler is a whiny primadonna just like Favre, frankly I am not impressed with Cutler's play or personality. I used to want the guy but now I think it's a good thing the Jets didn't draft him. Good points, but I think this debacle runs a lot deeper than 1 + 1 =2. I keep going back to that Titans game. This just wasn't a W for us. The team we played was undefeated at the time and riding high. We destroyed them on their turf...I mean really destroyed them. Something happened after that game and we can draw our own conclusions, but we'll probably never know 100%. The team that played the Titans that week was a shell of a team the rest of the way...I think we have a lot bigger problems than just replacing one HC with another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsman Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 The players (Jones included) should just shut up. the Jets wanted no part of the Dolphins last Sunday. you could see it during the players introductions. I don't want Favre back, but to put all the blame on him for last Sunday is pathetic. i agree somewhat, coles gave up on one of the passes which was one of the picks, the defense bares alot of the blame also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsman Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Good points, but I think this debacle runs a lot deeper than 1 + 1 =2. I keep going back to that Titans game. This just wasn't a W for us. The team we played was undefeated at the time and riding high. We destroyed them on their turf...I mean really destroyed them. Something happened after that game and we can draw our own conclusions, but we'll probably never know 100%. The team that played the Titans that week was a shell of a team the rest of the way...I think we have a lot bigger problems than just replacing one HC with another. the team believed after we beat Tennessee that we were super bowl bound, it happens when you are not accustomed to being in that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 i agree somewhat, coles gave up on one of the passes which was one of the picks, the defense bares alot of the blame also. Coles was more outspoken than anyone all year. he should be released and forced to pay some money back or do community service at Florham park or the Meadowlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsman Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Coles was more outspoken than anyone all year. he should be released and forced to pay some money back or do community service at Florham park or the Meadowlands. i say trade him we can get some value for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdhc Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Aside from all the he said, he said stuff that is going on the fact remains that when we got good QB play we won 5 in a row and beat the Titans. When the QB play went from very good to mediocre and then bad, we lost 4 of 5. If Favre hits just a couple of big plays in most of those games down the stretch we win and make the playoffs. QB play is not the only factor or course, but games are won and lost over a few plays each game, especially the turnovers. Whether it was his injury or he just went back to bad decision making I don't know but with a steady QB we would not have lost 4 of 5 and we wouldn't be in total disarray. The fact that Eric got support from his players in the press and Favre didn't has to make you wonder, and I sure hope we aren't losing another future great coach who wins SB's somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Use some common sense man. Just because TJ didn't play in Class A doesn't mean he isn't entitled to an opinion, the man DOES play professional football. And at the end of the day that's all that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 i agree somewhat, coles gave up on one of the passes which was one of the picks, the defense bares alot of the blame also. Not one of the INT's was even thrown Coles' way. The first was a horrible overthrow to Leon, the second was a horrible throw on a screen to Jones and the third was the ****ed up slant to Stuckey were he overthrew it to get it over the defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsman Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Not one of the INT's was even thrown Coles' way. The first was a horrible overthrow to Leon, the second was a horrible throw on a screen to Jones and the third was the ****ed up slant to Stuckey were he overthrew it to get it over the defender. yes one was Brett called a no huddle and coles never left the line of scrimmage and brett threw it straight to a defender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I find this hysterical...sure Favre is to blame..how about Coles quitting on routes and dropping passes..how about the defense forgetting how to tackle or having the will to even do it. Finger point all you want fellas THE ENTIRE TEAM collapsed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Coles was more outspoken than anyone all year. he should be released and forced to pay some money back or do community service at Florham park or the Meadowlands. He can be your personal ball washer. The team that played the Titans that week was a shell of a team the rest of the way...I think we have a lot bigger problems than just replacing one HC with another. Look at Brett "F'ing" Favre. vs. Denver 60.9 QB Rating 0 TDs 1 INT against 26th ranked Pass D vs 49ers 60.8 QB Rating 0 TDs 1 INT against 20th ranked Pass D vs Bills 61.4 QB Rating 1 TDs 2 INTs against 13th ranked Pass D vs Seattle 48.7 QB Rating 0 TDs 2 INTs against 32nd ranked Pass D vs Phins 45.1 QB Rating 1 TDs 3 INTs against 25th ranked Pass D Brett played like crap. I will defer to fans that watch the game that the play calling sucked, but Brett was throwing the like crap. Under throwing. Just winging it when pressured. If Rhodes was the only voice, but now you have Jones and the always anonymous player. Where there is smoke there is fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 It is a fact of life in the NFL-The QB gets too much credit when you win and all the blame when you lose. Sure he was part of the problem- just seems strange-Brett had always a rep as one of the guysat GB for him to change all of a sudden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 yes one was Brett called a no huddle and coles never left the line of scrimmage and brett threw it straight to a defender That play was thrown to Stuckey, it was meant to be a quick slant to him. Coles was not involved in the play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynton Beach Jets Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 This franchise is a joke. And we wonder why Bill Cowher would not come here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I find this hysterical...sure Favre is to blame..how about Coles quitting on routes and dropping passes..how about the defense forgetting how to tackle or having the will to even do it. Finger point all you want fellas THE ENTIRE TEAM collapsed Exactly.. 4th and 2 against Seattle, when this season really ended, sure we probably should not have gone.. OK, fine. Favre, and his bad arm and all hit Coles dead in stride.. Catch it, and we could possibly tie the game up. All he has to do is fight for the ball, and a minimum of a penalty i s called.. nope not coles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 He can be your personal ball washer. Look at Brett "F'ing" Favre. vs. Denver 60.9 QB Rating 0 TDs 1 INT against 26th ranked Pass D vs 49ers 60.8 QB Rating 0 TDs 1 INT against 20th ranked Pass D vs Bills 61.4 QB Rating 1 TDs 2 INTs against 13th ranked Pass D vs Seattle 48.7 QB Rating 0 TDs 2 INTs against 32nd ranked Pass D vs Phins 45.1 QB Rating 1 TDs 3 INTs against 25th ranked Pass D Brett played like crap. I will defer to fans that watch the game that the play calling sucked, but Brett was throwing the like crap. Under throwing. Just winging it when pressured. If Rhodes was the only voice, but now you have Jones and the always anonymous player. Where there is smoke there is fire. He played like crap and it was probably demoralizing for the rest of the team. I mean who is motivated to play hard when one player at the most important position continually screws up with dumb rookie type mistakes. Those picks weren't even Brett Favre interceptions, they were "I don't give a flying **** so here goes" interceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsman Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 That play was thrown to Stuckey, it was meant to be a quick slant to him. Coles was not involved in the play. i must be mistaking the seattle or buffalo game then my bad, there was one play where coles never left the LOS and brett threw it 5 yards in front of him and he never moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 That play was thrown to Stuckey, it was meant to be a quick slant to him. Coles was not involved in the play. Looked that way to me too but Favre said in 1 interview he expected LC to run a slant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Looked that way to me too but Favre said in 1 interview he expected LC to run a slant. If that was the case then Coles simply didn't know the play. There's no way he knew the play and then chose not to run it, that would be ****ing ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsman Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 If that was the case then Coles simply didn't know the play. There's no way he knew the play and then chose not to run it, that would be ****ing ridiculous. i know i am not seeing things they just showed the play on ESPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 If that was the case then Coles simply didn't know the play. There's no way he knew the play and then chose not to run it, that would be ****ing ridiculous. How do you know that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 If that was the case then Coles simply didn't know the play. There's no way he knew the play and then chose not to run it, that would be ****ing ridiculous. Fine, still makes him at fault for not going back to the huddle.. or as I saw it, he ran the play, but didn't run it hard.. He pulled a Randy Moss because he ddin't think the ball was coming to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsman Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Fine, still makes him at fault for not going back to the huddle.. or as I saw it, he ran the play, but didn't run it hard.. He pulled a Randy Moss because he ddin't think the ball was coming to him. the play i saw he didnt move from the LOS he just stood there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Dumb post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 the play i saw he didnt move from the LOS he just stood there he walked.. you're right.. he barely moved. Typical Coles lack of effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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