Grogans Heroes Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 The problem for the jets, is there is too much hatred for the Pats.. They should worry about themselves 1 Mike Tananbum is no GM, he is the reason for the collapse 2 Gave up to soon on Mangini-- 3 Farve is not the Farve of 10 years ago, its time to move on.. All the jets organization cares about is competing with the Pats, I know we have dominated in the past ,but fix yourselves first, go back to the draft, that is what the 80's Jets were built on.. Dont go after Shanahan, or any big name- 1 hire spangola from the Giants 2 Draft a qB 3 go after a pass rusher... But you should fire tananbum.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 This is comical. 1) Tannenbaum was terrible bringing in Pace, Jenkins, Faneca, etc. Say they are no brainers if you want, regardless, he got it done. 2) Mangini is not HC material. 3) This is probably right... I think Favre was something the owner wanted. Not because of PSLs (that's nonsense), but it was something he wanted. Shanahan would be a perfect choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Moses Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 All you need to fix the Jets is a couple a gallons of gasoline, and a match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 We should switch the name to Giantnation.com and all just make a massive exodus over to the other side. I look good in blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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will Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 This is comical. 1) Tannenbaum was terrible bringing in Pace, Jenkins, Faneca, etc. Say they are no brainers if you want, regardless, he got it done. 2) Mangini is not HC material. 3) This is probably right... I think Favre was something the owner wanted. Not because of PSLs (that's nonsense), but it was something he wanted. Shanahan would be a perfect choice. Woof. I seriously disgree with you. 1) High priced aquisitions are never no-brainers in the era of the salary cap. Jenkins cost the Jets two draft picks and a big contract extension. His collapse this year was as precipitous as Favre's. And in football terms he is pretty old. There is no reason he will ever give the Jets a full season of top level NT. Same for Faneca. Though he seemed to get stronger as the season progressed, he cost top dollar and will feel more like an albatross contract before he's done in NY. There were plenty of low cost options to fill the slot b/w Brick and Mangold (my favorite would have been Hadnot or the rookie FA Alleman, who starts for Miami). 2) This might be true but the advent of Favre tied Mangini's hands. It was an incredibly difficult spot for a young HC. I dont see how Mangini could have benched Favre (the record), and apparently Mangini didnt even have the power (or balls) to use anything other than the ridiculous empty backfield in short yardage situations, Favre's signature set. On the other hand, he totally misused Pace. IMO. 3) Its naive of you to think Woody wanted Favre for something else besides PSLs (or media related envy of the Giants). It might be true but I bet right now that selling 79,400 more PSLs is utmost in Woody's mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Favre was a bad move. I said that before he became a Jet. He hasnt won a Championship in 12 years and is on his last legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Guys, we should really listen to this cat. He's a Patriot fan which means he can build a winning NFL franchise in his sleep. You don't think all that Belichickian genuis rubbed off on them? Think again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Favre was a bad move. I said that before he became a Jet. He hasnt won a Championship in 12 years and is on his last legs. I liked the move when the Jets made it but in retrospect it was a collosal mistake. I thought he'd be more humble. But instead he completely took over the offense. The empty set backfield in short yardage was absurd (I can see it as a change-up but to have Jones and Richardson and Mangold and not try to pound the ball more often is upsetting). Also, he should have sat when he was hurt. This as much as anything killed the season - he cared more for personal glory than the best interests of the team. I dont think Mangini could have sat Favre without his ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Guys, we should really listen to this cat. He's a Patriot fan which means he can build a winning NFL franchise in his sleep. You don't think all that Belichickian genuis rubbed off on them? Think again! You're right. Pats fans do know all. Think about it. These people were smaht enough to be born in the Bahston area, in some case 20, 30, 40 or 50 years prior to Belichick tripping over Tom Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piney Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Woof. I seriously disgree with you. 1) High priced aquisitions are never no-brainers in the era of the salary cap. Jenkins cost the Jets two draft picks and a big contract extension. His collapse this year was as precipitous as Favre's. And in football terms he is pretty old. There is no reason he will ever give the Jets a full season of top level NT. Same for Faneca. Though he seemed to get stronger as the season progressed, he cost top dollar and will feel more like an albatross contract before he's done in NY. There were plenty of low cost options to fill the slot b/w Brick and Mangold (my favorite would have been Hadnot or the rookie FA Alleman, who starts for Miami). 2) This might be true but the advent of Favre tied Mangini's hands. It was an incredibly difficult spot for a young HC. I dont see how Mangini could have benched Favre (the record), and apparently Mangini didnt even have the power (or balls) to use anything other than the ridiculous empty backfield in short yardage situations, Favre's signature set. On the other hand, he totally misused Pace. IMO. 3) Its naive of you to think Woody wanted Favre for something else besides PSLs (or media related envy of the Giants). It might be true but I bet right now that selling 79,400 more PSLs is utmost in Woody's mind. The problem with the Faneca and Jenkins signing was in not making sure you had capable rotation players in there to keep them fresh all year. Jenkins played wayyy too much for a guy his age and who plays his position, same goes for Faneca. These guys are no longer players but investment, and you have to protect those investment. To ask them to do what they did all year without adequate time off is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 The problem with the Faneca and Jenkins signing was in not making sure you had capable rotation players in there to keep them fresh all year. Jenkins played wayyy too much for a guy his age and who plays his position, same goes for Faneca. These guys are no longer players but investment, and you have to protect those investment. To ask them to do what they did all year without adequate time off is ridiculous. You generally don't sit guards unless they get hurt. Offensive line is not an area where you can rotate guys in and out. Jenkins did sit quite a bit. The problem is we had no one who remotely plays as well as he does to put in that spot when he needs a rest. 28 is not old for a NT by any stretch of the imagination. Jenkins has stated that some of his physical problems down the stretch stemmed from playing a new position and I believe him. You take different kinds of hits at NT than you do as a one-gap DT in a 4-3. I expect Jenkins will hold up better next year now that he's got a year under his belt at NT and knows what to expect and how to better protect himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 You're right. Pats fans do know all. Think about it. These people were smaht enough to be born in the Bahston area, in some case 20, 30, 40 or 50 years prior to Belichick tripping over Tom Brady. to be fair.....bellichick made brady brady, not the other way around. i mean seriously, the guy just won 11 games with a qb who hasn't even played since highschool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I dont think Mangini could have sat Favre without his ok. Thats BS if true. Mangini is better off elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 to be fair.....bellichick made brady brady, not the other way around. i mean seriously, the guy just won 11 games with a qb who hasn't even played since highschool. And missed the playoffs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks to no other then the NY Bretts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynton Beach Jets Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Guys, we should really listen to this cat. He's a Patriot fan which means he can build a winning NFL franchise in his sleep. You don't think all that Belichickian genuis rubbed off on them? Think again! I love these Patsie* fans coming over to our house and telling us how to fix it. The only reason their house is in order is because they got lucky with a 6th round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 to be fair.....bellichick made brady brady, not the other way around. i mean seriously, the guy just won 11 games with a qb who hasn't even played since highschool. Meh, schedule plays a big part there. the AFC east had an exceedingly easy schedule this season which is why the worst record in the division was 7-9, and even the Bills were 7-3 outside the division. Last year, when the schedule was much more difficult, Brady took the Pats to 16-0, while the rest of the division won 12 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 The problem for the jets, is there is too much hatred for the Pats.. They should worry about themselves 1 Mike Tananbum is no GM, he is the reason for the collapse 2 Gave up to soon on Mangini-- 3 Farve is not the Farve of 10 years ago, its time to move on.. All the jets organization cares about is competing with the Pats, I know we have dominated in the past ,but fix yourselves first, go back to the draft, that is what the 80's Jets were built on.. Dont go after Shanahan, or any big name- 1 hire spangola from the Giants 2 Draft a qB 3 go after a pass rusher... But you should fire tananbum.... I actually agree with you on all fronts. The problem is we are the least attractive team rigtht now to coach with. Detroit is a way more attractive option with an absolute stud at WR, lots of cap room, a patient and willing to spend owner, a wide open roster that you can mold into anything you want, and two first round draft picks this year including the number one overall pick. The Jets probably won't get Spags, or Ryan and will have to settle for some second rate coach. And then assuming Woody would not respect a Spags opinion on Favre like he would a Cowher it makes it an even worse option for a bright young coach. I also have gotten the feeling since he bought the team that Woody is just an a-hole to work for. I honestly believe Mangini when he said he didn't want Favre. Historically 3-4 teams revolve around good running games and not good passing games and there are football related reasons for that. A 3-4 wears down faster than a 4-3 does due to the fact that you are asking smaller players to beat bigger players a lot more often in a 3-4. A 3-4 is also so dependant on proper gap assignments and one small mistake leads to a huge play. In a 4-3 is is much easier to stay effective being on the field a long time because you get one gap to attack and then you have back up. That is why all of these coaches only fit our offense OR defense - but not both. Go back and look at the super bowl winners and all of the passing offenses ran 4-3's while all of the running teams ran 3-4's. Even the 2001 pats survived on a steady running game and lots of screens (which is a run in my book). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I actually agree with you on all fronts. The problem is we are the least attractive team rigtht now to coach with. Detroit is a way more attractive option I am at a loss for words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 The problem for the jets, is there is too much hatred for the Pats.. They should worry about themselves 1 Mike Tananbum is no GM, he is the reason for the collapse 2 Gave up to soon on Mangini-- 3 Farve is not the Farve of 10 years ago, its time to move on.. All the jets organization cares about is competing with the Pats, I know we have dominated in the past ,but fix yourselves first, go back to the draft, that is what the 80's Jets were built on.. Dont go after Shanahan, or any big name- 1 hire spangola from the Giants 2 Draft a qB 3 go after a pass rusher... But you should fire tananbum.... Maybe you should just concentrate on helping your Pats out. I don't recall seeing what the Pats playoffs seed was this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynton Beach Jets Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I am at a loss for words. 9-7 = 0-16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Maybe you should just concentrate on helping your Pats out. I don't recall seeing what the Pats playoffs seed was this year. They were the 7th seed in the AFC. I think it works like the Miss America Pageant. If the number one seed should be unable to perform its responsibilites, everyone moves up on spot. In other words, if for some reason Tennessee is unable to play next week, the Patriots get to go to San Diego and have the Chargers beat the living **** out of them again on Sunday...... I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 9-7 = 0-16 So you think Detroit is a less attractive option than the Jets? If you go 8-8 in Detroit you could probably run for Mayor. If you go 9-7 with the Jets you could be fired. Detroit doesn't have any Pace's, Favre's, Faneca's or Woody's that are almost uncuttable. Detroit is a WAY better place to go and coach than the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 So you think Detroit is a less attractive option than the Jets? If you go 8-8 in Detroit you could probably run for Mayor. If you go 9-7 with the Jets you could be fired. Detroit doesn't have any Pace's, Favre's, Faneca's or Woody's that are almost uncuttable. Detroit is a WAY better place to go and coach than the Jets. Why would the Jets want to cut Pace? He played great. Woody was good value for what he was paid. Faneca played better than average but not quite up to expectations, still don't think there's any need to cut him. Favre is just a goofy situation, kind of like thinking the Detroit job is more attractive than the Jets job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Favre was a bad move. I said that before he became a Jet. He hasnt won a Championship in 12 years and is on his last legs. Sadly I can not argue with this in the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Favre is just a goofy situation, kind of like thinking the Detroit job is more attractive than the Jets job. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Why would the Jets want to cut Pace? He played great. Woody was good value for what he was paid. Faneca played better than average but not quite up to expectations, still don't think there's any need to cut him. Favre is just a goofy situation, kind of like thinking the Detroit job is more attractive than the Jets job. Those guys all tie up cap space and may or may not fit in to what you want to do. Detroit has a TON of cap space and no Vets on the roster who you just paid big bucks to and are almost uncuttable. PAce can not play in a 4-3 and has already proved he can't. If you want to run a 4-3 Pace is **** on a bull. I personally would much rather take over Detroit's situation than the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 All the jets organization cares about is competing with the Pats, No. All the Jets care about right now is selling PSL's to a disenfranchised fan base. Everything else, including success on the field is secondary. Favre was brought in to energize the fan base, which it did for a while. Woody was hoping this would translate into a playoff berth and a fan base happy and content with the season and looking forward to next year. Instead they collapsed, the fan base is pissed, and the majority of PSL's go on sale between now and the opening of training camp. So Woody doesnt care what's good for the team, he will do whatever it takes over the next 7 months to make the Jets look like they are improving, by signing big name players or big name coaches who might not be the best fit for the future of the team. Woody will go back to worrying about building a competitive team in 2011. Until then, the Jets and their fans are screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynton Beach Jets Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 So you think Detroit is a less attractive option than the Jets? If you go 8-8 in Detroit you could probably run for Mayor. If you go 9-7 with the Jets you could be fired. Detroit doesn't have any Pace's, Favre's, Faneca's or Woody's that are almost uncuttable. Detroit is a WAY better place to go and coach than the Jets. The chances of going 8-8 in Detroit = Detroit does not have any worth keeping outside Calvin Johnson. Why would the Jets want to cut Faneca, Woody or Pace? Favre is very easy to cut from a contract stand point he counts 0 toward 2009 unless we decide to keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I personally would much rather take over Detroit's situation than the Jets. Plus real estate is really cheap in Detroit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 So you think Detroit is a less attractive option than the Jets? If you go 8-8 in Detroit you could probably run for Mayor. If you go 9-7 with the Jets you could be fired. Detroit doesn't have any Pace's, Favre's, Faneca's or Woody's that are almost uncuttable. Detroit is a WAY better place to go and coach than the Jets. OMG. Stop it already. We get the concept. There is only one way to go...but you are losing all credibility. Taking over a winless team who hasnt been **** in 10 years is not more attractive than a NY based team with tons of talent, who at one point in this season looked like they could be world beaters. With good coaching, we could be contenders. We good coaching in Detriot, they could be .500.....maybe. I guess thats more attractive if you are loser who is good with being a loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 So besides being a Jets fan can someone please explain why the Jets job is better than the Detroit job? You think the pressure of winning more than 9 games next season with a harder schedule is easier than trying to win 4 to 6 in the easiest conference in the NFC? You think a roster filled with +30 guys that are overpaid and overrated and may not fit into your plans or scheme is better than a wide open roster you can do with as you please? You think the 17th pick is better than the 1st overall AND the 16th overall AND the 33rd overall? You think a team up against the cap is better than a team with tons of caps space? You think an owner who just fired someone for going 9-7 is better than working for someone who lets coaches overstay their welcome almost all of the time? So please someone give me a reason the Jets job is better than the Detroit job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 OMG. Stop it already. We get the concept. There is only one way to go...but you are losing all credibility. Taking over a winless team who hasnt been **** in 10 years is not more attractive than a NY based team with tons of talent, who at one point in this season looked like they could be world beaters. With good coaching, we could be contenders. We good coaching in Detriot, they could be .500.....maybe. I guess thats more attractive if you are loser who is good with being a loser. So by that logic the Jets job would have been more attractive than the Miami job last offseason. Ask Eric about that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 So besides being a Jets fan can someone please explain why the Jets job is better than the Detroit job? You think the pressure of winning more than 9 games next season with a harder schedule is easier than trying to win 4 to 6 in the easiest conference in the NFC? You think a roster filled with +30 guys that are overpaid and overrated and may not fit into your plans or scheme is better than a wide open roster you can do with as you please? You think the 17th pick is better than the 1st overall AND the 16th overall AND the 33rd overall? You think a team up against the cap is better than a team with tons of caps space? You think an owner who just fired someone for going 9-7 is better than working for someone who lets coaches overstay their welcome almost all of the time? So please someone give me a reason the Jets job is better than the Detroit job. It all depends on what the new coach wants. In Detroit, the chance of trying to turn around the worst team ever is going to be extremely difficult and will be gone after 3-4 years of mediocrity. They have a better chance of sucking than success. With the Jets, a coach has the opportunity to win now with the players on the roster, but will have to replace those pieces in 2 or 3 years. A coach who needs to win now (older, experienced coach) will choose the team with talent. A young coach will choose the challenge of building a winner from scratch. Thats why guys like Marty Schottenheimer, Shanahan, and all the other experienced coaches would choose NY. Guys like Spagnuolo and other "young" guys will choose the build from nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 The chances of going 8-8 in Detroit = Detroit does not have any worth keeping outside Calvin Johnson. Why would the Jets want to cut Faneca, Woody or Pace? Favre is very easy to cut from a contract stand point he counts 0 toward 2009 unless we decide to keep him. Favre is not getting cut. Woody loves him and he is part of the plans. He is certainly not getting cut by a coach like Spags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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