jetsrule128 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 http://jets.lohudblogs.com/ On the coaching front, ProFootballtalk.com is reporting that Browns defensive coordinator Mel Tucker is set to interview with the Jets, but I haven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bravejamriot Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Rooney Rule simply promotes token interviews. This guy is not worth an interview otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Rooney Rule simply promotes token interviews. This guy is not worth an interview otherwise. That was my first thoughts as well. Never heard of him before today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
war ensemble Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Rooney Rule...I could go on for days about this type of bull**** plaguing modern America. But I won't, because there's no politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uart Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Rooney Rule...I could go on for days about this type of bull**** plaguing modern America. But I won't, because there's no politics. LOL. Yes. Totally. You would think it would be harder to comply though. As a minority coordinator I wouldn't waste my time interviewing with a team that was looking to sign Cowher/Shanahan/Shotty/Parcells/etc. I think the Rooney's only success has been Tomlin. There has been no other coach that I know of who was called in solely for Rooney compliance to ever get the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
war ensemble Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 LOL. Yes. Totally. You would think it would be harder to comply though. As a minority coordinator I wouldn't waste my time interviewing with a team that was looking to sign Cowher/Shanahan/Shotty/Parcells/etc. I think the Rooney's only success has been Tomlin. There has been no other coach that I know of who was called in solely for Rooney compliance to ever get the job. It might mean a free cup of coffee or something, or they could have a pipe dream of actually getting the job. Pretty funny that the only coach signed through this was signed by the guy that created the rule... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 LOL. Yes. Totally. You would think it would be harder to comply though. As a minority coordinator I wouldn't waste my time interviewing with a team that was looking to sign Cowher/Shanahan/Shotty/Parcells/etc. I think the Rooney's only success has been Tomlin. There has been no other coach that I know of who was called in solely for Rooney compliance to ever get the job. I'm not so sure of that. Part of the purpose is to get minority candidates interviewing experience. I'm not necessarily in favor of it, but there is more to it than simply having minorities hired. It's putting them in a position where it is possible for them to succeed and when they have zero interviewing experience it's almost impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uart Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 They could always have a mock interview program instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 They could always have a mock interview program instead. Certainly. I'm not trying to argue the benefits of the program, just giving an additional reason. We both know that it does help your credentials to say you interviewed with so and so, so it's more likely to result in hirings (even down the road) than a mock interview program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowmoe57 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I guess Art Shell wasn't available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 LOL. Yes. Totally. You would think it would be harder to comply though. As a minority coordinator I wouldn't waste my time interviewing with a team that was looking to sign Cowher/Shanahan/Shotty/Parcells/etc. I think the Rooney's only success has been Tomlin. There has been no other coach that I know of who was called in solely for Rooney compliance to ever get the job. I don't know that Tomlin had anything to do with the Rooney Rule. I know Dan Rooney would like the country to believe it was, but there's no way Rooney's team was only interviewing a minority candidate because the rule that bears his name forced it upon him against his will. It's total bs & a story fabricated by the franchise. Frankly I can't see how anyone even remotely finds it believable. Good for Tomlin that he is in a great situation in Pittsburgh. And he was & is clearly qualified for the position. And good for Rooney that he hired a good HC. Sometimes timing just works out that way, and most first-time HC candidates suck no matter what color their skin is. But the idea that Tomlin never would have gotten an interview with Dan Rooney's team, but for a league rule that "forced" them into it, when they're looking for their first new head coach in over 15 years, is just a silly story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I don't know that Tomlin had anything to do with the Rooney Rule. I know Dan Rooney would like the country to believe it was, but there's no way Rooney's team was only interviewing a minority candidate because the rule that bears his name forced it upon him against his will. It's total bs & a story fabricated by the franchise. Frankly I can't see how anyone even remotely finds it believable. Good for Tomlin that he is in a great situation in Pittsburgh. And he was & is clearly qualified for the position. And good for Rooney that he hired a good HC. Sometimes timing just works out that way, and most first-time HC candidates suck no matter what color their skin is. But the idea that Tomlin never would have gotten an interview with Dan Rooney's team, but for a league rule that "forced" them into it, when they're looking for their first new head coach in over 15 years, is just a silly story. Actually, it's true. The team was actually trying to decide between Ken Whisenhunt and Russ Grimm. They only brought in Tomlin because they had to and he was recommended to Rooney since Rooney didn't want to waste his own time. Tomlin blew him away in the interview and got the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Babe Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Rooney Rule...I could go on for days about this type of bull**** plaguing modern America. But I won't, because there's no politics. ahhhh, affirmative action. SUCKS. anyways, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Actually, it's true. The team was actually trying to decide between Ken Whisenhunt and Russ Grimm. They only brought in Tomlin because they had to and he was recommended to Rooney since Rooney didn't want to waste his own time. Tomlin blew him away in the interview and got the job. So the publicity story goes. You're telling me that the chairman of the NFL's diversity committee NEVER would have considered interviewing a minority HC, and would have considered it a "waste" of his time? lol. Wanna buy a bridge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 ahhhh, affirmative action. SUCKS. anyways, Everything in the NFL is about looking the part and being a member of some bulls--t fraternity. the ugly truth is the NFL is such a backward racist place of employment, if there were no Rooney rule there would be zero black head coaches. the Rooney rule exists because the NFL recognises what it is... and what it is not... and "fair" is not in the NFL's lexicon. We can sit here and say "oh yeah whatever Bitonti, your a fool if there were great black head coaches out there the NFL would find them, winning is the only thing etc." Im here to say Bullcrap to that. I've met NFL front office types and these people by and large are not interested in doing the right thing... or doing the fair thing... or even hiring the best person for the job. They are racist, ignorant and don't care about anything but making their racist, ignorant, RICH bosses happy. and before you accuse me of speaking out of my you know what, let me assure you i've heard NFL employees say things (in public) that would be proper only at a Klan meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Babe Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Everything in the NFL is about looking the part and being a member of some bulls--t fraternity. the ugly truth is the NFL is such a backward racist place of employment, if there were no Rooney rule there would be zero black head coaches. the Rooney rule exists because the NFL recognises what it is... and what it is not... and "fair" is not in the NFL's lexicon. We can sit here and say "oh yeah whatever Bitonti, your a fool if there were great black head coaches out there the NFL would find them, winning is the only thing etc." Im here to say Bullcrap to that. I've met NFL front office types and these people by and large are not interested in doing the right thing... or doing the fair thing... or even hiring the best person for the job. They are racist, ignorant and don't care about anything but making their racist, ignorant, RICH bosses happy. and before you accuse me of speaking out of my you know what, let me assure you i've heard NFL employees say things (in public) that would be proper only at a Klan meeting. i get you...but if the NFL REALLY was so racist, then why is 70% of all football players black? not to mention, they are paid pretty damn well too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 i get you...but if the NFL REALLY was so racist, then why is 70% of all football players black? not to mention, they are paid pretty damn well too. the owners have no problem sending these guys out on the field but getting any one of 32 rich men to actually put someone who doesn't look like them in charge of the team's day-to-day football operations is another thing entirely. if the league werent' racist there'd be 70% black players and 70% black head coaches... instead of 5% black head coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 So the publicity story goes. You're telling me that the chairman of the NFL's diversity committee NEVER would have considered interviewing a minority HC, and would have considered it a "waste" of his time? lol. Wanna buy a bridge? I never said that and I don't think I suggested it either. Rooney was leaning toward Ross Grimm but needed to interview a black coach to satisfy the rule. He did not, however, want to waste his or anyone's time with a "token" interview. In other words, he still wanted to talk to a qualified candidate because who knows, he may be able to help the guy with a recommendation in the future, have a potential replacement for Grimm if he didn't work out, or perhaps, a good coordinator candidate for Grimm's staff. From an ESPN article about Tomin's hiring: After a successful first season as Minnesota's defensive coordinator, Tomlin's name was one of about a dozen on a list of qualified minority candidates given to Rooney at a mid-December meeting in New York. Rooney is the chairman of the NFL's committee on workplace diversity. The intent of the Rooney Rule was to give coaches such as Tomlin a forum to display their credentials. Tomlin was chosen largely because of the motivation, enthusiasm and organizational skills he showed in two strong interviews with Rooney, Art Rooney II and director of football operations Kevin Colbert. "He wants to play the kind of football the Pittsburgh Steelers want to play," Art Rooney II said of Tomlin's focus on stopping the run, running the ball well and playing physical defense. "He wants to play the kind of football Steelers fans have come to appreciate." Tomlin's hiring completed a 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I actually think the Rooney Rule is great, the college game desperately needs one. However, I do think it needs to be amended to include discretionary powers for the commisioner in terms of implementing the actual penalties. What happened to Detroit a while back with Mariucci was just wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I never said that and I don't think I suggested it either. Rooney was leaning toward Ross Grimm but needed to interview a black coach to satisfy the rule. He did not, however, want to waste his or anyone's time with a "token" interview. In other words, he still wanted to talk to a qualified candidate because who knows, he may be able to help the guy with a recommendation in the future, have a potential replacement for Grimm if he didn't work out, or perhaps, a good coordinator candidate for Grimm's staff. From an ESPN article about Tomin's hiring: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2738834 This article says nothing that they weren't going to bring in minority candidates with or without the Rooney Rule. It doesn't say it & it doesn't suggest it. Where you keep getting the idea that Rooney considered anyone other than Grimm/Wisenhunt a waste of time, I do not know. I haven't heard or read that from anywhere, let alone from Rooney himself that he saw interviewing Tomlin (or any other minority candidate) as a "waste of time" for his vacant HC position. You're making it up & putting words in his mouth. Of all the owners that would NOT need a Rooney Rule to interview a minority candidate, it would be the author & chief enforcer of that very rule; who is also the chairman of the league's diversity committee. Any notion that Tomlin (or some other minority candidate) would not have gotten an interview with Rooney (of all people) is nonsense. And never did I read that Rooney even hinted that but for his own rule he would not have considered a non-white HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdhc Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Everything in the NFL is about looking the part and being a member of some bulls--t fraternity. the ugly truth is the NFL is such a backward racist place of employment, if there were no Rooney rule there would be zero black head coaches. the Rooney rule exists because the NFL recognises what it is... and what it is not... and "fair" is not in the NFL's lexicon. We can sit here and say "oh yeah whatever Bitonti, your a fool if there were great black head coaches out there the NFL would find them, winning is the only thing etc." Im here to say Bullcrap to that. I've met NFL front office types and these people by and large are not interested in doing the right thing... or doing the fair thing... or even hiring the best person for the job. They are racist, ignorant and don't care about anything but making their racist, ignorant, RICH bosses happy. and before you accuse me of speaking out of my you know what, let me assure you i've heard NFL employees say things (in public) that would be proper only at a Klan meeting. I couldn't agree more. The Rooney rule forces teams to at least explore the minority candidates out there and give them an interview. It doesn't make anyone hire someone they don't want. I also think affirmative action is a good thing, even if it doesn't always work perfectly. Trying to give people who are at a disadvantage from the start a little help is ok with me. Hopefully in a generation or two it won't be necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 The #1 reason for so few minority HC's is because there are so few coordinators worthy of a promotion. It is the most-likely stepping stone to becoming a head coach. I can't name a single minority offensive coordinator. And the majority of defensive coordinators are white. Meaning you're still mostly pulling guys in from a pool of coordinators, 80% of whom are white guys. That is what makes the Rooney Rule a sham. People interview coaches they know have no shot of being hired. It doesn't really mean anything, as long as GMs and owners are still free to actually hire who they want. A fool owner who won't hire a non-white HC deserves to get the Wade Phillipses and Dick Jaurons of the coaching pool. I'm not saying that's Jones' or Wilson's motivations; just that those are two pretty crappy white HC's who proved as much with their first HC gigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 This article says nothing that they weren't going to bring in minority candidates with or without the Rooney Rule. It doesn't say it & it doesn't suggest it. Where you keep getting the idea that Rooney considered anyone other than Grimm/Wisenhunt a waste of time, I do not know. I haven't heard or read that from anywhere, let alone from Rooney himself that he saw interviewing Tomlin (or any other minority candidate) as a "waste of time" for his vacant HC position. You're making it up & putting words in his mouth. Of all the owners that would NOT need a Rooney Rule to interview a minority candidate, it would be the author & chief enforcer of that very rule; who is also the chairman of the league's diversity committee. Any notion that Tomlin (or some other minority candidate) would not have gotten an interview with Rooney (of all people) is nonsense. And never did I read that Rooney even hinted that but for his own rule he would not have considered a non-white HC. You're completely misunderstanding what I mean by "waste of time." I never suggested Rooney wasn't planning on bringing in a minority candidate. I never suggested that Rooney wouldn't have considered a minority coach. It was common knowledge that Rooney was leaning toward one of two highly qualified assistants that were already on his team. Rooney wasn't interested in wasting his or anyone else's time by bringing in just anybody simply to satisfy the rule. He wanted to bring in a qualified candidate and take the interview seriously because you never know. By doing it the way he did it to set the example for other teams he opened up several possibilities: 1. He may find somebody he liked even better than the two candidates at the top of his list, which he did; 2. If he didn't hire Tomlin but liked him, he had a qualified candidate he could help along in the future with a recommendation; 3. He may find somebody he didn't think was ready just yet but might be someone who he could consider down the line if Grimm failed; 4. A potential DC for Grimm since Grimm was an OL coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed3 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 well, we dodged that bullet. According to jetsblog, this was innaccurate reporting. The Browns are going to be interviewing Tucker in New York. Not the Jets. I don't mind interviewing minority candidates, but I do mind interviewing garbage prospects. Tucker's defense was ranked 21st. Why would any team bother promoting a young guy with an unimpressive resume? That would be like teams interviewing Schotty Jr. as a HC prospect... I just don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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