Jets Babe Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Seriously, Marty? Why? Marty Schottenheimer is the epitome of mediocrity. Over the years when he coached the Chargers, Schottenheimer had it all: a good franchise QB, quite possibly the greatest modern RB of all time, a dominant defense, etc. He did nothing with it. No Super Bowl wins, not even an appearance. Marty Ball sucks. Run, Run, Pass, Punt. Sounds familiar? Way too effin' conservative. I want an agressive head coach. Schottenheimer is a fruitcake. We need agressive play calling. We need Spagnuolo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynton Beach Jets Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 But he does get to the playoffs almost every year unlike the current Jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 How can you not want Marty He is by far the most consistant winner out there....and who is to say he couldn't win in the playoffs with what we have IMO Marty is the BEST option for us. Had we had a run run pass guy this year, we would have made the playoffs....we can run he ball on any team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 He's not mediocre IMO. He's a good coach especially when it comes to building a team from the ground up (For example I could understand why maybe the Lions or Rams would go after him). He's sort of like Parcells in that he can turn an organisation around, however his problem has always been taking a team the distance. He'll get them good enough to be competitive but not good enough to win a championship. I do not want Marty Ball on the Jets though. Not what we need right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynton Beach Jets Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 How can you not want Marty He is by far the most consistant winner out there....and who is to say he couldn't win in the playoffs with what we have IMO Marty is the BEST option for us. Had we had a run run pass guy this year, we would have made the playoffs....we can run he ball on any team I think it got to be between Marty and Spags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Babe Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 But he does get to the playoffs almost every year unlike the current Jets How can you not want Marty He is by far the most consistant winner out there....and who is to say he couldn't win in the playoffs with what we have IMO Marty is the BEST option for us. Had we had a run run pass guy this year, we would have made the playoffs....we can run he ball on any team See this is your problem. You guys settle for mediocrity. I'm sick of getting in the playoffs and losing. Schott's playoff record is 5-13. That's awful. He has the most regular season wins, but has NEVER coached a team in the Super Bowl. NEVER. You want that? Same old Jets fans...happy with playoffs and that's it. I want a SUPERBOWL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 It is the grass is always greener syndrome. The Jets have been burned by 2 first time head coaches, so now most fans want the comfort of an experience winner. I have no prblem taking a chance on another first time HC, as long as he has proven he is great at something (like Spags or Ryan - defense). Unlike Edwards or Mangini, who had only proven they could get coffee for Dungy and Belichick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I'm not huge on Marty but I would be open to it just for the fact that the guy wins. If it wasn't for "The Drive" and "The Fumble" he very well could have seen two Super Bowls. 5-13 record in the post season though is awful Marty would be a guy I would look at if all else fails. He probably won't get you to a Super Bowl but he will build that foundation that makes you a yearly playoff team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Babe I'd just like to get to the playoffs....we can then take our chances from there Now get back to the lounge...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 See this is your problem. You guys settle for mediocrity. I'm sick of getting in the playoffs and losing. Schott's playoff record is 5-13. That's awful. He has the most regular season wins, but has NEVER coached a team in the Super Bowl. NEVER. You want that? Same old Jets fans...happy with playoffs and that's it. I want a SUPERBOWL. Mangini to anyone named Schottenheimer is a downgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynton Beach Jets Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 See this is your problem. You guys settle for mediocrity. I'm sick of getting in the playoffs and losing. Schott's playoff record is 5-13. That's awful. He has the most regular season wins, but has NEVER coached a team in the Super Bowl. NEVER. You want that? Same old Jets fans...happy with playoffs and that's it. I want a SUPERBOWL. Mediocrity is 9-7 and not making the playoffs. I agree Marty's playoff record is poor. But before Cowher won the Super Bowl the knock on him was he could not win the big one either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harts724 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Marty=brian=failure:smilies2_puke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Mangini to anyone named Schottenheimer is a downgrade. Baby Scott's baby wouldn't go for it on 4th down with 3 timeouts left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 You can forget it. Even Woody Johnson isn't stupid enough to hire this perpetual loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Practically no one I know wants him- if Johnson wants to further alienate the Jets fan base he will pick him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I think the Jets are going to have a hard time finding the right guy. What "Big Time" coach, and by that I mean Cowher, Shananhan, Billick, or Marty would want to deal with Favre and his "Should I stay or retire" waffling. If I were Spags or Ryan or someone I might want to sit back and see what else opens up. A guy though like Jason Garrett who already passed on a couple of jobs offers last year would probably HAVE to take the job if he were to interview and the Jets offered him the position. Favre right now is leaving the Jets in a really bad situation. If the Jets are going to go forward then they need to Favre to either commit to next year or retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piney Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I love how Spags and Ryan are considered to be better coaches than Shotty already... great...another first time coach we can watch get fired in three years.... ugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I love how Spags and Ryan are considered to be better coaches than Shotty already... great...another first time coach we can watch get fired in three years.... ugh An unknown with potential is better than a proven loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borgoguy Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 JB, I am on record as saying that if the Jests (sic) hire Marty, I will finally, after all these many years, stop supporting the team. The thought of having to look at that blanc-staring idiot on the sidelines, and witness all of those colossal blunders and chokes would be too much for me. I am old enough to have witnessed Marty's tenure in Cleveland, Kansas City and San Diego. Sure he got them to the playoffs, but would invariably f**k it up, much to the consternation of their fans. Go ask Cleveland fans from those days if they'd want "Martyball" back. Right. You guys think we hated Mangini in the end? I can't even imagine the dread and frustration after Marty and his two dunce offspring run the show here. No thanks, I'd rather give up watching football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Marty is a good coach, and it wouldn't be the end of the world if he came to coach here. His teams always perform well, and his physical, smashmouth style of football would match this roster well. With that said, I do not want a retread, especially a man who has failed in the playoffs time and time again. He is super conservative and crawls into a shell in crunch time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjakecity Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I really don't understand it either. Schottenheimer might be able to get the team to the playoffs consistently, but he is very unlikely to lead the team to the super bowl at any point in time. In the end, winning the super bowl should always be the goal. I've seen the Jets make the playoffs, but have yet to see a Jet super bowl in my lifetime. I'd rather have a coach that I don't know what he will do (could be complete bust, could be super bowl material) than have one that does not have a history of getting there. Marty Schottenheimer is the Chad Pennington of coaches: He can give you good seasons and get you to the playoffs, but he is seemingly incapable of leading his team to the big game. Give me Rex Ryan if we can't get Shanahan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 JB, I am on record as saying that if the Jests (sic) hire Marty, I will finally, after all these many years, stop supporting the team. The thought of having to look at that blanc-staring idiot on the sidelines, and witness all of those colossal blunders and chokes would be too much for me. I am old enough to have witnessed Marty's tenure in Cleveland, Kansas City and San Diego. Sure he got them to the playoffs, but would invariably f**k it up, much to the consternation of their fans. Go ask Cleveland fans from those days if they'd want "Martyball" back. Right. You guys think we hated Mangini in the end? I can't even imagine the dread and frustration after Marty and his two dunce offspring run the show here. No thanks, I'd rather give up watching football.Don't forget that wonderful tenure in DC,where fighting the owner became his downfall. A new wrinkle to old incompetence. I understand, like Edwards-if you minimize your mistakes by taking few chances-dumbed down run/runpass/punt offense, Cover Who stop the long play defense-you by dint of your opponent's mistakes can win 7-10 games every year. But you aren't aspiring to greatness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I love how Spags and Ryan are considered to be better coaches than Shotty already... great...another first time coach we can watch get fired in three years.... ugh Don't let our experience with first time HCs equate to automatic failure. Edwards and Mangini had done NOTHING of substance to deserve being named Head Coaches. The reasons they were selected are well documented and as a result, their failures should be no surprise. There are several first year HCs this year who have done quite well and are in the playoffs. We all want the Super Bowl. Retreads like Shotty are safe, but limited. You have to take chances. But take a chance on someone who shows potential HC greatness by being brilliant in what they are currently doing. Not people who have hung around greatness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo83 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Mediocrity is 9-7 and not making the playoffs. I agree Marty's playoff record is poor. But before Cowher won the Super Bowl the knock on him was he could not win the big one either. You can add Dungy and Coughlin to that list as well. This team needs an experienced coach. Anything can happen when you get to the playoffs. But you need to get there first. You don't need yet another first time coach learning on the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Seriously, Marty? Why? Marty Schottenheimer is the epitome of mediocrity. Over the years when he coached the Chargers, Schottenheimer had it all: a good franchise QB, quite possibly the greatest modern RB of all time, a dominant defense, etc. He did nothing with it. No Super Bowl wins, not even an appearance. Marty Ball sucks. Run, Run, Pass, Punt. Sounds familiar? Way too effin' conservative. I want an agressive head coach. Schottenheimer is a fruitcake. We need agressive play calling. We need Spagnuolo. well he didnt get to SB with sd, but he sure wasnt run run pass punt with them either... at least be fair... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynton Beach Jets Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 You can add Dungy and Coughlin to that list as well. This team needs an experienced coach. Anything can happen when you get to the playoffs. But you need to get their first. You don't need yet another first time coach learning on the job. Especially with this team that can win now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo83 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 An unknown with potential is better than a proven loser. Yes the Jets have done real well with these types: Joe Walton, Bruce Coslet, Pete Caroll, Edwards, Mangini. "Retreads" Coughlin and Dungy were hired even though they also had a reputations of not winning the big game. How did that turn out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I think we could do a ton better than Marty even with an accomplished 1st timer. Knowing that he always surrounds himself with family makes him a big NFW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Babe Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 I love how Spags and Ryan are considered to be better coaches than Shotty already... great...another first time coach we can watch get fired in three years.... ugh Spags is a defensive expert. Schott is a proven conservative loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Babe Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 I really don't understand it either. Schottenheimer might be able to get the team to the playoffs consistently, but he is very unlikely to lead the team to the super bowl at any point in time. In the end, winning the super bowl should always be the goal. I've seen the Jets make the playoffs, but have yet to see a Jet super bowl in my lifetime. I'd rather have a coach that I don't know what he will do (could be complete bust, could be super bowl material) than have one that does not have a history of getting there. Marty Schottenheimer is the Chad Pennington of coaches: He can give you good seasons and get you to the playoffs, but he is seemingly incapable of leading his team to the big game. Give me Rex Ryan if we can't get Shanahan. i agree completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Babe Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 well he didnt get to SB with sd, but he sure wasnt run run pass punt with them either... at least be fair... do you know anything about martyball? thats the philosophy of it...R2P2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Spags is a defensive expert. Schott is a proven conservative loser. Spagnola has not won jack. It helps he has arguably the best talent on DL in the league. Think he is going to have a Top 5 D with your talent? Marty has 200 career wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Spags is a defensive expert. Schott is a proven conservative loser. how do u know def expert??? he is a coord wit ha def minded HC...tahts the crapsoot with never been hc coordinators,, throw in some coord dongt know how to be a overall program runner and suffer.. herm wasnt def expert they said, it was kiffin /dungky coverin him,,groh had tuna cover in, mangini had belly cover him,, u just NEVER know when a coord is great or if he is gettin HELP from a great HC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harts724 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Don`t bring Dungy into this, he has peyton and only won 1 championship.If he had been a big time coach he would have won at least 3 times! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Spagnola has not won jack. It helps he has arguably the best talent on DL in the league. Think he is going to have a Top 5 D with your talent? Marty has 200 career wins. That is hysterical. He beat your undefeated Patriots in the Super Bowl!!! And this year, his defense is just about as good without their 2 all pro DEs. he could win 2 SBs in only two years. Yeah, I'd rather have someone who compiles regular season wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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