lancemehl Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 It's almost identical except TJ has had an average career and CM is a HOFer but same age, Curtis just won a rushing title, and we were talking about replacing him because he is getting old. To me, at least this year, they are identical runners. My question, only a question: are we comfortable at the RB position, TJ coming back at 32, or should we draft a young bruiser type? I say yes, but I pray the new HC gives about 20% of his carries to Leon. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Curtis Martin was 50X the running back TJ is. All you people talking **** about Curtis Martin when he was one of the better running backs of all time. You're right that he wasn't the fastest or the most explosive but he had a better career than 99.99% of all of those other guys who were faster or more explosive. Which makes him all the more impressive for doing more with less. All the **** people on this site talk about Curtis Martin the fact is at the end of the day he is one of the greatest of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Babe Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Curtis Martin was a compiler. He's not a HOFer. Sorry guys. He never did **** in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 That is not totally true. He ran for over 150 in the 98 divisonal against the Jags and 106 on 16 carries in the 01 wild card game against the Raiders. The haters though will always point to the 04 game against the Steelers. He is and should be a first ballot HOF'er. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Curtis Martin was a compiler. He's not a HOFer. Sorry guys. He never did **** in the playoffs. What, are you channelling Savage this morning? Easily the dumbest thing you've ever said online Erica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Jones just had a super year. Certainly does not look like he is slowing down or getting a beer belly. Just give Leon more touches and a HC/OC who knows what they are doing, and we are fine at RB. The Jets have lot more pressing needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I love Curtis haters...biggest fools in the world. Is there a single player that has attributed to the turn around of success from the **** years than Curtis Martin. He brought a winning mentality and it was infectious and he one of the greatest RB of all time. TJ has had 3 good season in his career and he = Curtis Martin Get real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Babe Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 What, are you channelling Savage this morning? Easily the dumbest thing you've ever said online Erica. it's Erika. and no, it's not dumb to think that. CM was great, but he didn't do anything in the playoffs. Big time choke in big games.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Curtis Martin was a compiler. He's not a HOFer. Sorry guys. He never did **** in the playoffs. All that substance abuse must really be messing with your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryK Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 it's Erika. and no, it's not dumb to think that. CM was great, but he didn't do anything in the playoffs. Big time choke in big games.. Great RB + bad line = good regular season numbers. Great RB + bad line + playoff berth + opponent with good Defensive line = ineffective (but still great) RB. Poor guy spent a great career getting beat up running through mediocrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Babe Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Great RB + bad line = good regular season numbers. Great RB + bad line + playoff berth + opponent with good Defensive line = ineffective (but still great) RB. Poor guy spent a great career getting beat up running through mediocrity. pretty much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uart Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 are we comfortable at the RB position, TJ coming back at 32, or should we draft a young bruiser type? I say yes, but I pray the new HC gives about 20% of his carries to Leon. Thoughts? It depends on who is available in the draft, but I'd have no issue with us taking a RB if it made sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 It's almost identical except TJ has had an average career and CM is a HOFer but same age, Curtis just won a rushing title, and we were talking about replacing him because he is getting old. To me, at least this year, they are identical runners. My question, only a question: are we comfortable at the RB position, TJ coming back at 32, or should we draft a young bruiser type? I say yes, but I pray the new HC gives about 20% of his carries to Leon. Thoughts? No need to draft a RB this year. His base salary is $900K and he's 30 (going to be 31 in late August), not 32. If the carries are actually split up between him & Leon, he should be fine. They do need someone for short yardage b/c TJ is a horrible short-yardage back. He only gets the first if the line gets it for him (which hardly distinguishes TJ from others). Leon should get more than 20% of the carries. He got 20% (by year's end) in 2008. I just don't think he should get like 250 carries. Not that he has or hasn't proven an ability to carry that type of load. Just that it is totally unnecessary to give one back that many carries. Two RB's splitting them up keeps them both fresh for the game and for the season. Also, slamming Leon into the line 15+ times every game is hardly the way to preserve the speed & moves that makes him so dangerous in the first place. Given that we don't have a 3rd rounder because of Favre (though we do have an additional 4th rounder from Washington for Kendall), I wouldn't touch the RB position in the first 2 rounds. Of all the areas of need on this team, RB isn't one of them for 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Barry Sanders who many will argue is the greatest RB ever was awful in the post season. 1991 Divisional Playoff vs Dallas 12 carries 69 yds 1991 NFC Championship vs Washington 11 carries 44 yds 1992 NFC Wild Card game vs Green Bay 27 carries 169 yds 1993 NFC Wild Card Game vs Green Bay 13 carries for -1 1995 NFC Wild Card Game vs Philadelphia 10 carries for 40 yards 1997 NFC Wild Card Game vs Tampa Bay 18 carries for 65 yds Don't judge a players career by what he does just in the post season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Please tell me we get something for Vilma Something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 We already got something for Vilma: a 4th rounder last year. If he's extended by the Saints we would further get our 4th rounder upgraded to a 2nd this year. Probably not going to happen, but we all hope it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Just give Leon more touches and a HC/OC who knows what they are doing, and we are fine at RB. The Jets have lot more pressing needs. I agree 100% Leon could start, IMHO. I think all that he's too small crap is just that - crap. But Jones certainly looks like he's got enough in the tank for another season, and the Jets do have much more pressing needs... And I say that before we get the new regime in place that wants to go with the run 'n' shoot and the 46 defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Babe Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Barry Sanders who many will argue is the greatest RB ever was awful in the post season. 1991 Divisional Playoff vs Dallas 12 carries 69 yds 1991 NFC Championship vs Washington 11 carries 44 yds 1992 NFC Wild Card game vs Green Bay 27 carries 169 yds 1993 NFC Wild Card Game vs Green Bay 13 carries for -1 1995 NFC Wild Card Game vs Philadelphia 10 carries for 40 yards 1997 NFC Wild Card Game vs Tampa Bay 18 carries for 65 yds Don't judge a players career by what he does just in the post season. i hate the sanders-martin analogy. sanders was 100x the RB martin was...stop being a homer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Why is that being a homer ? Barry Sanders for all his greatness was awful in the post season minus one game. All Martin did for the Jets was basically carry the ball over 300 times a year, average about 1200-1300 yds a year and very rarely if EVER fumbled the football away. BTW when he was with the New England in the 1996 playoffs against the Steelers he went 166 yds on 16 carries. So you can add another 100 yds performance in the playoffs to his resume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Yea... this argument to me is as valid as saying Chad Pennington is an Elite QB who could win a SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Curtis Martin was 50X the running back TJ is. All you people talking **** about Curtis Martin when he was one of the better running backs of all time. You're right that he wasn't the fastest or the most explosive but he had a better career than 99.99% of all of those other guys who were faster or more explosive. Which makes him all the more impressive for doing more with less. All the **** people on this site talk about Curtis Martin the fact is at the end of the day he is one of the greatest of all time. Well ****ing said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadwick10 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Martin rushed for over 1,000 yards in his first 10 professional seasons, a feat previously accomplished only by Barry Sanders. On November 6, 2005, he scored his 100th career touchdown, joining an elite group of only 16 players to do so. Martin is currently 4th on the all-time rushing yardage list, and on November 27, 2005, in the first quarter against the New Orleans Saints, he became the 4th running back in NFL history, behind Emmitt Smith, Walter Payton, and Barry Sanders, to pass the 14,000-yard rushing mark. He is the all-time Jets leader with 10,302 rushing yards with the team.[3] He is also fourth in the same category for the Patriots with 3799 yards.[4] Additionally, Martin has a perfect passer rating of 158.3: 2 completions on 2 pass attempts, 2 TD passes, and an average of 18 yards per attempt. Career statistical rankings 3,518 career rushing attempts (3rd all-time) 14,101 career rushing yards (4th all-time) 17,430 career yards from scrimmage (7th all-time) 90 career rushing touchdowns (12th all-time) 100 career rushing/receiving touchdowns (19th all-time) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjets Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 What, are you channelling Savage this morning? Easily the dumbest thing you've ever said online Erica. she's his granddaughter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I like TJ also, but to compare him to Curtis Martin is crazy. NO WAY IN HELL!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 It's almost identical except TJ has had an average career and CM is a HOFer but same age, Curtis just won a rushing title, and we were talking about replacing him because he is getting old. To me, at least this year, they are identical runners. My question, only a question: are we comfortable at the RB position, TJ coming back at 32, or should we draft a young bruiser type? I say yes, but I pray the new HC gives about 20% of his carries to Leon. Thoughts? Wow... just why has anyone even replied to this? lol Almost identical... ya know... except for the HOF part... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathis81 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Why is that being a homer ? Barry Sanders for all his greatness was awful in the post season minus one game. All Martin did for the Jets was basically carry the ball over 300 times a year, average about 1200-1300 yds a year and very rarely if EVER fumbled the football away. BTW when he was with the New England in the 1996 playoffs against the Steelers he went 166 yds on 16 carries. So you can add another 100 yds performance in the playoffs to his resume. Why argue with someone who was what, 10-11 years old when Sanders retired?? She was about 5-6 when he was in his prime. People that were able to enjoy watching both and understand the game , can make the comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Why argue with someone who was what, 10-11 years old when Sanders retired?? She was about 5-6 when he was in his prime. People that were able to enjoy watching both and understand the game , can make the comparison. It is a topic that has been brought up many times here and alot of people who's opinions I greatly respect have said the same thing about Martin being nothing but a compiler. I don't get it. It is almost like people make durability as a liability. Listening to alot of people here though I am amazed that the 04 Jets even won a game let alone 10 and a playoff game. HC Sucks QB has a noodle arm RB is overrated DE is the ultimate wuss MLB is too small Jets fans have no problem turning on players wearing the green and white in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 It is a topic that has been brought up many times here and alot of people who's opinions I greatly respect have said the same thing about Martin being nothing but a compiler. I don't get it. It is almost like people make durability as a liability. Listening to alot of people here though I am amazed that the 04 Jets even won a game let alone 10 and a playoff game. HC Sucks QB has a noodle arm RB is overrated DE is the ultimate wuss MLB is too small Jets fans have no problem turning on players wearing the green and white in a heartbeat. The funniest thing about the stupidity of calling Curtis a compiler is..... HE DOESNT CALL THE ****ING PLAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!! How many times did Curtis audible at the LOS to make sure he got a couple of extra yards for the stat sheet....lol. Or was it in the huddle??? OC calls in a pass play and Curtis tells the group, "hey, guys, I need a couple of yards to get to 100, that is much more important than us winning the game, screw the coaching staff, just give me the rock." I am sure Parcells had no problem with that... Possibly game planning to get Curtis to a certain amount of yardage for the season, career, or just in game records. Its ****ing moronic. Serioulsy. Its the dumbest thing I have ever heard. A RB cant be stat compiler...lol...the are given the ball because a coach called a running play and its their job to pick up yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted January 3, 2009 Author Share Posted January 3, 2009 Curtis Martin was 50X the running back TJ is. All you people talking **** about Curtis Martin when he was one of the better running backs of all time. You're right that he wasn't the fastest or the most explosive but he had a better career than 99.99% of all of those other guys who were faster or more explosive. Which makes him all the more impressive for doing more with less. All the **** people on this site talk about Curtis Martin the fact is at the end of the day he is one of the greatest of all time. i agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted January 3, 2009 Author Share Posted January 3, 2009 Curtis Martin was a compiler. He's not a HOFer. Sorry guys. He never did **** in the playoffs. are you nuts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted January 3, 2009 Author Share Posted January 3, 2009 I love Curtis haters...biggest fools in the world. Is there a single player that has attributed to the turn around of success from the **** years than Curtis Martin. He brought a winning mentality and it was infectious and he one of the greatest RB of all time. TJ has had 3 good season in his career and he = Curtis Martin Get real. here we go again. He!! no am i saying he equals TJ just read the post TJ had an average career an CM is a HOF'er, i'm talking about the situation right now, gimme a break, please! I fought CM haters for years on these boards! Curtis Martin was our best running back EVER period! TJ had a good year.They are similar style runners, though. read the whole post please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted January 3, 2009 Author Share Posted January 3, 2009 No need to draft a RB this year. His base salary is $900K and he's 30 (going to be 31 in late August), not 32. If the carries are actually split up between him & Leon, he should be fine. They do need someone for short yardage b/c TJ is a horrible short-yardage back. He only gets the first if the line gets it for him (which hardly distinguishes TJ from others). Leon should get more than 20% of the carries. He got 20% (by year's end) in 2008. I just don't think he should get like 250 carries. Not that he has or hasn't proven an ability to carry that type of load. Just that it is totally unnecessary to give one back that many carries. Two RB's splitting them up keeps them both fresh for the game and for the season. Also, slamming Leon into the line 15+ times every game is hardly the way to preserve the speed & moves that makes him so dangerous in the first place. Given that we don't have a 3rd rounder because of Favre (though we do have an additional 4th rounder from Washington for Kendall), I wouldn't touch the RB position in the first 2 rounds. Of all the areas of need on this team, RB isn't one of them for 2009. thanks for the age correction. nice post, i tend to agree. It's pretty cool to have respond in a civilized manner. Thank you, SE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 thanks for the age correction. nice post, i tend to agree. It's pretty cool to have respond in a civilized manner. Thank you, SE. Blow me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Babe Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Why argue with someone who was what, 10-11 years old when Sanders retired?? She was about 5-6 when he was in his prime. People that were able to enjoy watching both and understand the game , can make the comparison. you're such a douche-bag, you know that? out of your entire 40 posts to this site, 10 have been directed towards me in some kind of bitchy way. thats 25% of the time you spend on here. get a life, will you? if you have such a problem with me...then do me a favor and place me on your ignore list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 you're such a douche-bag, you know that? out of your entire 40 posts to this site, 10 have been directed towards me in some kind of bitchy way. thats 25% of the time you spend on here. get a life, will you? if you have such a problem with me...then do me a favor and place me on your ignore list. What does this have to do with Curtis Martin or Thomas Jones? Methinks the drug abuse has had an effect on the ol' grey matter there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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