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"January" Edition of Post of the Week - January 25, 2009


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Topic: I don't understand why some fans want Marty Schottenheimer.

Marty would get this team in position to win a superbowl - he'd get this team playing the way a team needs to play to win. At 67, he'd be the head coach for 3-5 year, might win his ring in that time, and would leave the Jets in great shape. The man knows football and how to build teams - you can't take that away from him. I'd take my chances with Marty - it might turn out that he wins one with the Jets like Vermeil won one with those losers the St. Louis Rams. Stranger things have happened...

The Nomination: "greta post,,good analogy to vermeil" SouthernJet

Editor's Note: I like when people vote for me.

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Topic: NY Daily News: Shannahan NOT INTERESTED

****...wtf??? First I actually have to compliment you the other day for a post, and now I agree with you on something?

I'm off to go stab myself in the eyes a few times.

Cimini is good for reporting stats, and things like that, but any opinion piece of his I just ignore because he's an ass.

The Nomination: "Do I have to stab myself in the eyes if I ever agree with JN's resident former pro-athlete?" Klecko73isGod

Editor's Note: You don't have to but don't let us get in the way of a good eye gouging.

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Topic: Sugar Bowl

You only like the Gators because they wear the same colors as the Knicks and Mets. Its a wonder you're not a Bears or Broncos fan.

Oh, and you are the most underrated poster on whatever site you post on.

The Nomination: "Purely because he called me underrated and funny factor." JiF

Editor's Note: Um, okay.

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Topic: NY Daily News: Shannahan NOT INTERESTED

The most ridiculous part is these guys didn't even jump on this BS bandwagon until idiotic fans started making up ridiculous claims that every single decision the Jets have made over the past few years was to sell PSLs, NOT to field a good football team. Of course, anyone with half a brain would tell you that whats the one thing you need to sell PSLs? Oh yeah, a good football team. Cimini is notorious for trolling the message boards and then selling the worst of the whining, complaining Jets fan self-loathing he finds on there as his great insight and this PSL nonsense is the latest example.

But now suddenly, we're less than a week removed from when Mangini was fired, which was what the consensus wanted to see, and everything is MAKING UP reasons to bash the Jets. I love the definitive claims by fans that the Jets fired Mangini figuring they could hire Cowher, but now they're stupid because that didn't happen. There is absolutely NO merit to this stance AT ALL. Sure they contacted him right away, but could that be that he was just a good candidate for the position that they wanted to try to interview who they didn't have to request permission to speak to? The fact is the guy has so far made it clear that he will not return to coach ANY TEAM this year! He shot down the Browns before he did the same to the Jets. But somehow this suddenly makes the Jets the most awful franchise in the world? And Shanahan, who has yet to accept any interviews for head-coaching vacancies, is repeatedly considered sitting out the year and is currently away on vacation may or may not have declined to interview with the Jets. And here we go with the fact that the Jets are an abysmal failure. Oh yeah, and its all Brett Favre's fault too.

Where the hell do you people get this **** from? Was there some sort of prerequisite to be a Jets fan that I missed that says you're required to just randomly make up crap to complain about? I mean come on, its not like there's not enough legit things to be pissed about with this team. Its been less than a week, the only guys the Jets have even interviewed yet were in-house candidates, many of the guys the Jets are reportedly interested in can't even be interviewed yet and certainly not hired. But apparently although everyone thought Mangini should be fired on Monday, if the Jets didn't get Cowher by Tuesday they're an abysmal failure. Now I get this team has let us down many, many times in the past. But come on, lets try to be at least A LITTLE bit reasonable here. I mean, there's people on here making cases how the Detroit job is a better spot than the Jets. Do you people even read what you right? How can so many people let themselves get so riled up over complete nonsense that other people who don't know what they're talking about are literally completely fabricating, and then running with it as fact?

Good God, you'd think it was the Jets that just went 0-16.

The Nomination: "Well put. The idea that Detroit is a more attractive place for a HC than the Jets is about the silliest thing I've read here in a while. Awful team now, awful team for a decade straight, and you have to live in friggin' Detroit. Ewww." Sperm Edwards

Editor's Note: Shanny wasn't interested in NY but he is apparently interested in coaching.

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Topic: Tuna pulling strings, I figured it out!!!!

Normally I would suggest that perhaps SJ is posting under the influence.

This is Tuna we are talking about. Some very odd things are going on here. Woody fires Mangini in a fit of anger, then leaves town for a vacation while Tannenbaum interviews the hottest prospect out there? Just doesn't make sense.

Johnson loves Parcells. That was clear when Woody bought the team. He did everything possible to get him to stay. That is also the reason "The Weasel" left town. He was afraid that Parcells would recover his desire to coach, and shelve "the Weasel" again.

Parcells loves NJ. Where the new training complex is, is his neck of the woods. This is a team built to win now. The Dolphins will take 2 or 3 years to get there. Tannenbaum would have no problem stepping aside for Parcells, while retaining the GM job. He is a great friend of the Tuna's. Even while Parcells was coach of the Boys he called him once a week for advice.

The Giants and Ravens will still probably be playing when the deal with Miami goes down. These interviews just might be letting the prospective HC's know that things might dramatically change, and see if they are good with it.

Parcells still has a score to settle with "The Weasel". Bellichick made Parcells look real bad with the stunt he pulled. I believe that is why Parcells decided to come back to the AFCE. Tuna is a vengeful man

As insane as this whole thing sounds, it does make some sense, and is just so Tunaish.

The Nomination: "We can only hope for a Tunaish ending to this nightmare" JonEJet

Editor's Note: They had a T-Rex end, not tuna was involved.

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Topic: Mort says schotty may be leading candidate (official jetkid rumor thread)

BergenJet would be the leading candidate for that. He's a retread with a good track record but he's mulling over offers from Chiefs Planet, Pats Nation, Jets Addicts, and a new New Orleans Saints board that I'm not at liberty to disclose details about.

The Nomination: "Unfortunately no mod has ever won the big game with two seperate sites." Bergenjet

Editor's Note: Mort you were wrong.

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Topic: Ravens vs Dolphins Game Thread

This is just like watching Herm on the Chiefs, it's so much funnier when it's happening to someone else!

The Nomination: "Not only is it not happening to us, its happening to the freakin' Dolphins! Talk about the mother of all win-wins." Bleedin' Green

Editor's Note: Chad melting down in a big game? Who could have seen that one coming?

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Topic: lol...those p*ssies at finheaven just banned me

Um, I'm quite sure had any of us gone over to the Phins or FH and talked **** like you guys did last week after opening day, every Jet fan would have been banned. no doubt in my mind.

Give me a ****ing break with the integrity ****. you sound like a 13 year old girl crying right now.

The Nomination: "Great post by BP. He calls it like it is with these DolFAG trolls." Thai Jet

Editor's Note: BP had a great post? Where?

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Topic: Comparing The Jets And The Packers

I normally don't wish bodily harm on an individual but I wouldn't mind you breaking all your fingers... or at the very least give me your e-mail address so I can make you an executable that will change your host file to point jetnation.com to jetsinsider.com.

The Nomination: "It takes a lot to bring out Frank's violent side. But I love to see it!" Klecko73isGod

Editor's Note: Bergen is the Steven Segal of computer bada$$es.

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Topic: "I told Chad he's my guy" - Sparano

Similarly awesome moment:

Did anyone hear during the game when the announcers recounted their conversation with Chad last night? Apparently he said "I just want to keep this game close in the 4th quarter."

Really? That's all you want?

Chad Pennington is a born loser.

The Nomination: "BWAHAHAHA! POTW nom!" BP

Editor's Note: You would have thought that winning would be the goal.

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Topic: BC Threatens to fire Jagozinski if he interviews with Jets

my point is more valid than anything you have ever said, to you everyone sucks if they don't make an immediate impact, **** em. you are so impatient and ignorant it's a wonder you haven't been commited.

The Nomination: "madmike pwned again! it never gets old!

:rl:" BP

Editor's Note: I still don't completely understand why a p is used to demonstrate ownage. But that is neither here nor there.

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Topic: "I told Chad he's my guy" - Sparano

Chad seriously gets treated like the slow kid. Even when he does the most simple little things right or even if he just refrains from doing something wrong, people praise him up and down and tell him how good and special he is for doing that. And then if someone dares to criticize him, people think its their civic duty to come to his defense at all costs and those who do the criticizing are considered sick and disgusting for daring to pick on someone so defenseless.

All that's really left to send it all home would be for him to travel to games on a specially designed Team Short-Bus while being required to wear his helmet at all times.

The Nomination: "What a perfect summation of how Chad is treated by fans and media alike!" Klecko73isGod

Editor's Note: Chad won the comeback player of the year 4 years in a row. If that isn't telling, nothing is.

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Topic: BC Threatens to fire Jagozinski if he interviews with Jets

Madmike on Crediting Urban Meyer:

On Giving Meyer a Chance over Jagz:

Madmike Discrediting Matt Ryan, probably as a fluke:

Madmike defending Meyer

Madmike justifying making a bad player look good based on a system.

So in all your anger and ranting, you called Jagozinski a scrub, discounted a guy who currently has Matt Ryan, Mathias Kiwanuka and Trueblood on the Bucs in the NFL. You praised Urban Meyer as the best in your words and that if we went and got anyone we should get Urban Meyer. You think his system would work in the NFL?

The Nomination: "PWNED

:rl:" BP

Editor's Note: Damn that P again.

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Topic: BC Threatens to fire Jagozinski if he interviews with Jets

Haloti Ngata jackass...and don't tell me your fingers got unlucky and it was a typing error. You've probably never read the guys name before and having only heard it on TV had no idea how to properly spell it.

As a matter of fact, now you can't pull the type-o card becaus I told you that you got a name wrong, you went back and read them, confident you had spelled his name as you heard it you came back and called me a jackass....BWAHAHAHAHA....EXPOSED....BWAHAHAHA....but I'm the stupid one...good stuff

The Nomination: "madmike bashing never gets old" BP

Editor's Note: Um like, nevermind.

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Topic: Is Woody Johnson really too cheap to pay for a winner?

There's plenty to criticize. PSL's are just offensive. Frankly, anyone who pays more than a nominal amount like upwards of $1000 is a friggin' fool.

Many of the high-profile contracts didn't pan out, or were outright idiotic.

But I can't think of any players whose presence here was sacrificed in the name of the almighty dollar. If anything, the Jets have overpayed to make sure they player they wanted came here or stayed here. It was also no secret that he badly wanted Parcells to remain with the team, and probably would have paid any price to keep him. Parcells had his own personal issues at the time.

There are underlying reasons for the Jets' failures. But the owner's lack of willingness to spend money on the team doesn't seem to be one of them. I would classify this owner as one who wants to win. If for no other reason...to ensure revenue for his precious PSL's.

2008 off-season for Woody/Tannenbaum:

- They go out and get the best LG available, Alan Faneca, a perennial pro-bowler and future HOF'er. They pay him $8M/yr (highest per-season contract ever given to an OG in NFL history).

- They get the best RT available via free agency, former pro-bowler Damien Woody. They pay him $5M/yr, which is likely top-5 money for RT's.

- They get the best FB available, 3x (including 2007) pro bowler Tony Richardson.

- They get the best DT in football (when healthy) in 3x pro bowler Kris Jenkins to play NT. They pay him $6M/yr (highest-paid in NFL history for a NT).

- They get the best (or at least most-coveted) free agent 3-4 OLB available, Calvin Pace. He's about to sign with division rival Miami to go with Parcells, and then Woody gives him the "I want you" interview of his life, including a private helicopter ride over the new training facility & stadium. They pay him $7M/yr, the biggest contract ever given to a LB in NFL history.

- They guarantee the $11M for the two years remaining on Laveranues Coles' contract just to shut him up for one season.

- They get the player commonly thought to be the best 3-4 OLB prospect in the draft (bust that he is so far) in Vernon Gholston, and pay him $5-10M/yr depending on incentives reached, instead of trading down for a far cheaper player.

- They lock up (then) emerging star and fan-favorite Kerry Rhodes to a long-term deal. They pay him $6.5M/yr (top-3 money at his position).

- They get Brett Favre - and pay him $12M for the season without spending training camp with the Jets (or anyone else) and further absorb the $6M in dead cap space for Pennington who they gave $23M in bonus money to on his current deal ($29M if you count the amount he made back by starting 10 football games in '06).

- They finished building the most expensive, premiere training facility in the NFL so no expense is spared for his players while training, practicing, and meeting.

Fast-forward to the end of the 2008 season: Favre didn't work out & Mangini clearly needed to be replaced. No time is wasted before dismissing Mangini so it isn't a drawn-out drama of "is he staying"/"will he be fired" and so they can get permission to interview every HC candidate available, most of whom are still coaching teams in the playoffs.

But because Bill Cowher doesn't want to coach here - or anywhere - in 2009, and the concensus from so many here (based on nothing; not even a rumor) is he surely would have come here for the absolutely insane amount of $10-12M/yr (50-75% more than Bill Belichick gets), so therefore....

Woody Johnson is a cheap bastard who is not interested in making the Jets a better team.

And before this season:

Don't forget that this same owner - disgusting as his or any owner's PSL demands are - also agreed to cough up enough money in contracts to:

- make Curtis Martin, at age 29, the highest-paid RB in NFL history (at the time) because the fans loved him

- make Chad Pennington the 2nd-highest paid QB in NFL history (at the time), second only to Peyton Manning.

- grossly overpay Wayne Chrebet like a #1 WR because the fans loved him

- make Kevin Mawae the highest-paid center in NFL history (at the time)

- pay Jason Fabini like a franchise LT so as not to disrupt the team's intact OL

- pay Dewayne Robertson well over $20M that could have been over $50M if he reached all incentives

- pay Shaun Ellis a (then) gargantuan $15M guaranteed to stay here, making him like the #2 highest-paid DE in the NFL (at the time) after Javon Kearse.

- pay Laveranues Coles $25M (including a $5M SB two years after he received a $9M SB) to come back because Chad Pennington likes him best

- pay Bryan Thomas $25M just because he finally showed some promise & his HC wanted him locked up

- pay Jerricho Cotchery $20M to keep him locked up in a Jets uniform

- pay Kenyon Coleman $20M because his HC and/or GM (probably through Parcells) wanted him for the Jets' 3-man line

- pay a $750K bonus to Kimo von Oelhoffen even though everyone knew he was getting cut in a few short months.

- pay Justin McCareins a $31M contract just because his HC wanted him.

- pay David Barrett a $30M+ contract just because his HC wanted him & his GM wanted the Antoine Winfield egg off his face.

- pay Andre Dyson millions per year on the off-chance his career could be resurrected here.

- pay stupid-millions to Ty Law to rent him for one year for the 2005 season.

- pay Thomas Jones $5M/yr after even though he was about to turn 29.

- pay D'Brickashaw Ferguson $6.5M per year with $18M guaranteed.

- keep the Jets butted-up against the cap, never leaving the gobs of unspent cap space so many other owners insist on.

But sure. We suck primarily because the owner is so cheap that he won't pay for top talent.

Because he had the audacity to take a chance on a HC who was thought to be a promising young talent in Mangini, who learned under the Jets' arch-rival who snubbed them all those years ago. He didn't work out, so therefore Woody is cheap for not coughing up $5M/yr for some fictional great HC who was not even available in 2006.

Because people on a message board have imagined some fairy-tale amount of money that would get Bill Cowher to go back on his word to his family & give up the cushy lifestyle he enjoys today.

There have been a lot of bad judgment calls in terms of personnel. But a lack of willingness to pay to bring in (or retain existing) talent is just absurd. I can't believe that I'm even writing this; I don't even like him as an owner. But the fantastic "he's too cheap" rationalizations for why Bill Cowher isn't here right now are just preposterous.

The Nomination: "POTW, great post by Sperm." BP

Editor's Note: Them be a lot of words.

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Topic: Is Matt Cassell the future?

Simply put. When you cheat your way to 3 SB wins and all you lose is a 1st round draft pick (but they get to keept their 1st round from the 49ers anyway) I say that you got away with murder and the NFL turned the other cheek.

Now, in regards to Tom Brady having a awesome season last year. Yes,...he did. I did say that Brady has talent, however, when you win 3 superbowl rings EVERY player wants to come to your team. So in essence, the team that Brady had in his first SB win couldnt compare to the Juggernaut of a team that they developed around their initial cheating spree.

You have to see how deep this cheating went. Its not like they had all this talent with them during their first SB or their second,....or even their 3rd. When you win, everyone wants to play for you. If NE wasnt cheating then the make up of this team today could be very, VERY different.

The Nomination: "Great Post." madmike1

Editor's Note: ***

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