villain_the_foe Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Congrats Chad! http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stori.../?zIndex=31010 Colts QB Peyton Manning voted AP's NFL MVP By BARRY WILNER, The Associated Press 6:25 p.m. January 2, 2009 In this Nov. 2, 2008 file photo, Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning looks to pass the ball during an NFL football game against the New England Patriots, in Indianapolis. Manning can tell Brett Favre to move over and make room for him atop the roster of NFL Most Valuable Players. For the third time, Manning won the award by The Associated Press, tying Favre as the only players in that elite category. (AP Photo/Darron Cummings, File) - AP NEW YORK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Chad almost winning something but not quite getting there? No way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergen Jet Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 I will gladly admit that Chadwick was much better than I thought he would be and better than most Jet fans have given him credit for. It is fricken laughable that 8% of the idiots that vote for this award honestly felt him to be the league's MVP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 I will gladly admit that Chadwick was much better than I thought he would be and better than most Jet fans have given him credit for. It is fricken laughable that 8% of the idiots that vote for this award honestly felt him to be the league's MVP. It's not really though consdering it's based on value, not performance. If not for Pennington the Miami Dolphins have either John Beck, Josh McCown or Chad Henne starting at QB and if that's the case I think Miami are picking in the top 10 come April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 It's not really though consdering it's based on value, not performance. If not for Pennington the Miami Dolphins have either John Beck, Josh McCown or Chad Henne starting at QB and if that's the case I think Miami are picking in the top 10 come April. Completely false. The two QB's drafted ahead of Henne did fine and the Dolphins were 1-5 when the defense gave up 20 or more.. That's not a number that speaks to you QB being critical to you success. They win 7-9 games with Henne/Mcnown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Green Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Great move getting nothing for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Completely false. The two QB's drafted ahead of Henne did fine and the Dolphins were 1-5 when the defense gave up 20 or more.. That's not a number that speaks to you QB being critical to you success. They win 7-9 games with Henne/Mcnown Well neither of us know that because it's purely opinion. You are aware one of the main reasons for that stat was that the Fins offense put their defense in bad situations, they didn't turn the ball over and kept them off the field. You can spin it whatever way you want but there's no way in Hell you could possibly rely on a rookie or John ****ing Beck to manage football games in the way Chad does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Great move getting nothing for him. and giving him to our arch-rivals excellent move! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 and giving him to our arch-rivals excellent move! he's what, 35 by now? his arm won't hold up beyond 09. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Well neither of us know that because it's purely opinion. You are aware one of the main reasons for that stat was that the Fins offense put their defense in bad situations, they didn't turn the ball over and kept them off the field. You can spin it whatever way you want but there's no way in Hell you could possibly rely on a rookie or John ****ing Beck to manage football games in the way Chad does. Yes, but I do know that I can rely on Chad Henne + weak schedule + Wildat to rank above 21st in the league in scoring.. We'll see next year when they play an NFL schedule fruity nipples.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lancemehl Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Who cares, he was an NFL Commodity this year and we got nothing for him. Same goes for Justin Miller, the guy returns kicks back for TD's every other week, and we gave him away for free. Not a good way to do business!!! (unless your the the other team of course) preach on, bro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 he's 32 and jaded is exactly right How old is the chicken whose arm they transplanted on him in '05? He made too much ****ing money. Nobody would have signed him to that contract. Not one team anywhere. Get it through your head. That's why nobody picked him up off waivers. Even after this 2nd place in the MVP voting season nobody is/was going to pay him that much. As for Justin Miller, did watching him run those 2 kicks for Oakland hurt you that much? He was an UFA and it was past the trade deadline. The Jets weren't getting anything for him and weren't signing him again. So other than letting the guy get another job we lost exactly zero at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 How old is the chicken whose arm they transplanted on him in '05? He made too much ****ing money. Nobody would have signed him to that contract. Not one team anywhere. Get it through your head. That's why nobody picked him up off waivers. Even after this 2nd place in the MVP voting season nobody is/was going to pay him that much. As for Justin Miller, did watching him run those 2 kicks for Oakland hurt you that much? He was an UFA and it was past the trade deadline. The Jets weren't getting anything for him and weren't signing him again. So other than letting the guy get another job we lost exactly zero at this point. as for chad, parcells took him in a blink of an eye, we could've gotten a draft pick, DEFINITELY!! The rest of the league didn't disrespect him like we did they saw a guy who went to the playoffs every year he was healthy, a guy with a winning record, not to many of those around for a draft pick. Justin Miller, here's a concept, KEEP HIM, please don't tell me we don't have 3 players in the secondary alone that could've been let go, forget the whole roster,I'd rather have him than Ty Law, Ty Law is finito, he succked! Watch Justin Miller= Desmond Howard in a year or so, it's just how the jets operate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 2nd place is the first loser..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 I really don't understand people crowing about Pennington's 2nd place finish in the MVP voting. Manning got 32 votes, Pennington 4. Think about that for a second. That's like bragging that you came in second in a marathon when you lost by 20 miles. Pennington's four votes came from Miami voters who wanted him to get some recognition and probably Rich Cimini and Bob Glauber who only voted for him so they could write negative stories about the Jets. We were not going to get anything in return for Pennington when we let him go so please get over that fantasy. And if Pennignton continues to follow career form, the Ravens will tear his arm off tomorrow and the Dolphins will be ****ed for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Babe Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Chad almost winning something but not quite getting there? No way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 He made too much ****ing money. Nobody would have signed him to that contract. Not one team anywhere. Get it through your head. That's why nobody picked him up off waivers. Wait a minute here. People get their team together, especially their QB's, as early as possible so the QB's can learn the offense. Pennington was let go at almost the worst possible time-right on the eve of the preseason. It's a miracle that he received any offers to start at all, let alone one which put him in the middle range of starting QB's. If Pennington had been let go in March or April there would have been a whole line of teams making offers for starting jobs. The posts I read here about how we couldn't have gotten a 4th round draft choice for him were wishful thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Wait a minute here. People get their team together, especially their QB's, as early as possible so the QB's can learn the offense. Pennington was let go at almost the worst possible time-right on the eve of the preseason. It's a miracle that he received any offers to start at all, let alone one which put him in the middle range of starting QB's. If Pennington had been let go in March or April there would have been a whole line of teams making offers for starting jobs. The posts I read here about how we couldn't have gotten a 4th round draft choice for him were wishful thinking. Maybe, but at the time we let him go we COULD NOT get anything for him. They tried and failed. It was either Favre or Chad. They couldn't afford both contracts and everybody knew it. I dispute whether anybody would have taken him at his salary earlier, but you have a point. I KNOW nobody was giving up anything for him in August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Why didn't the Jets try to get something for Pennington? It goes back to the offseason. Pennington was benched in the middle of last season and Clemens was inserted. Management did not make clear if this was a permanent change or if they were just giving the young player a look-see now that the season was shot. Clemens arguably did slightly better than Chad. In the offseason, Chad asked the Jets to release him if they regarded Clemens as the starter, so that he could find a team that wanted him to start. The team promised Pennington that he and Clemens would battle it out in training camp and preseason for the starting job. This they did. When Favre became available suddenly, the Jets grabbed him which basically meant the team was going back on it's word to Pennington, albeit due to unforeseeable circumstances. Remember, Pennington had been the starter for some years, he had won some games for us and brought us to the playoffs several times. Normally when a player of some quality has lost his job, the club lets him go to find a starter's job if it is possible for them to accommodate. Besides, we couldn't afford to keep both Pennington's salary and Favre's at the same time. Given these facts, the club decided to let Pennington go and make the best deal he could without the club which signs him having to give additional recompense to the Jets. It was the decent thing to do, and we had little time to get rid of his salary anyway. And while the conventional wisdom is that you don't let a player go to your division rival, the Dolphins had won only one game the previous season and were not expected to even get near .500 this season, so the chances of Pennington really hurting our playoff chances seemed remote at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Dominator: We didn't get anything for him when we cut him because the clubs correctly figured that we needed to get rid of him immediately, so they just waited. If the Favre deal was made in April and we made salary cap moves so that we could hang onto Pennington for awhile, we definitely would have had offers for him. It was the timing of the deal, not the regard Pennington was held in around the league, which prevented us getting anything for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 congrats chad ! classy guy who always gave his best, and was loved by his team mates. the jets got the karma fisting they deserved and we all know it trading for favre and cutting pennington will haunt us for at least 5 more years I find it really funny seeing the chad haters desperatly holding onto the hate, in the face of 95% of the NFL world seeing chads value (literally) the haters still hate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Dominator: We didn't get anything for him when we cut him because the clubs correctly figured that we needed to get rid of him immediately, so they just waited. If the Favre deal was made in April and we made salary cap moves so that we could hang onto Pennington for awhile, we definitely would have had offers for him. It was the timing of the deal, not the regard Pennington was held in around the league, which prevented us getting anything for him. Offers maybe, but these mythical high draft picks I don't buy. We got a 4th for Vilma (an impending FA) and they act like it was nothing. A 4th is likely the most we could have hoped for Chad during the offseason. We'd be having the same discussion, just why did we get **** for Chad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Dom, he got a starting job at $4 million the very day he was cut. And he was cut at the worst possible time. Do you honestly think he would hve commanded no better than a 4th rounder if the Jets were not in a position that they had to cut him immediately, and it was before the draft when teams are just beginning to assemble their rosters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Green Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 How old is the chicken whose arm they transplanted on him in '05? He made too much ****ing money. Nobody would have signed him to that contract. Not one team anywhere. Get it through your head. That's why nobody picked him up off waivers. Even after this 2nd place in the MVP voting season nobody is/was going to pay him that much. As for Justin Miller, did watching him run those 2 kicks for Oakland hurt you that much? He was an UFA and it was past the trade deadline. The Jets weren't getting anything for him and weren't signing him again. So other than letting the guy get another job we lost exactly zero at this point. Dom, I hear you but if it was going to come down to realesing Miller for nothing, maybe they should have tried to move him earlier and got something, anything. Same goes for Chad, they could have tried to get something for him, wouldn't he have restructed his deal to play somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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