JOJOTOWNSELL Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I see many similarities between how Mike T (a non-football guy) and Dick Steinberg (a non football guy) rose to power in the Jets orginization??? Why does our figurehead have to be someone with ZERO football experience?? Discuss.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I see many similarities between how Mike T (a non-football guy) and Dick Steinberg (a non football guy) rose to power in the Jets orginization??? Why does our figurehead have to be someone with ZERO football experience?? Discuss.............. I worry more about the results produced by the individual more than where they came from and as I've said before, for being a first time GM I think Tanny has outperformed many of his competitors who were "raised" in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 We are lucky to have a guy like MR. T The franchise is in good hands, I truly believe that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOJOTOWNSELL Posted January 5, 2009 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 I worry more about the results produced by the individual more than where they came from and as I've said before, for being a first time GM I think Tanny has outperformed many of his competitors who were "raised" in the NFL. Hmmmmmm, maybe picking players........but it seems to me we have a guy with very lil experience basically running the franchise instead of the owner....who is to say he isnt hampering our search?? Which established guy would want to cede power to him?? Who is to say he isnt just cementing his spot with the franchise for the next 20 years?? I just don't like the idea of someone that inexperienced having that much power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOJOTOWNSELL Posted January 5, 2009 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 We are lucky to have a guy like MR. T The franchise is in good hands, I truly believe that Jon, you have a pic of Parcells as your avatar but Parcells or any coach'GM of his ilk would never come here and have to answer to Mr T. How is having him blindly attached to our franchise advantagous to us?? it limits us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Dick Steinberg NEVER, NEVER would have been able to fire his friend, if he was coach. I don't see the similarities. Everyone has to start from somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I see many similarities between how Mike T (a non-football guy) and Dick Steinberg (a non football guy) rose to power in the Jets orginization??? Why does our figurehead have to be someone with ZERO football experience?? Discuss.............. you need only remind yourself that matt millen is a football guy to quash any doubts that the gm is a must football guy position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Dick Steinberg NEVER, NEVER would have been able to fire his friend, if he was coach. I don't see the similarities. Everyone has to start from somewhere. Exactly...just because he served in a role other than GM in his time with the likes of Parcells, doesn't mean he wasn't taking notes along the way. He has done well enough thus far IMO to hold the title of GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Mike is a hard working guy Favre wouldn't have come here if it wasn't for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOJOTOWNSELL Posted January 5, 2009 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 Dick Steinberg NEVER, NEVER would have been able to fire his friend, if he was coach. I don't see the similarities. Everyone has to start from somewhere. MR T is untouchable.......Steinberg was untouchable Mr T is a non football, lawyer type running the team for our hands-off owner......Steinberg was a non football, lawyer type running the team for our hands off owner. Steinberg was entrenched here for as long as he wanted to stay....i feel MR T is in the same situation Who is to say that MR T has the owners ear and will be doing everything in his power to keep the current power structure in place so he stays employed for the next 20 yrs??? Just sayin...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Also Parcells is a big mike T guy.....I would imagine if Tuna were to come back, Mike would work with, as an understudy of Tuna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOJOTOWNSELL Posted January 5, 2009 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 Mike is a hard working guy Favre wouldn't have come here if it wasn't for him Maybe a GM who wasnt a puppet for Woody would have stood up to the owner and said this isnt a smart football move 3 weeks before the season when we builty our team for the other QB?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOJOTOWNSELL Posted January 5, 2009 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 Also Parcells is a big mike T guy.....I would imagine if Tuna were to come back, Mike would work with, as an understudy of Tuna Yeah, but would MR T do that for Cowher or Shannahan or Holmgren??? He is the reaon why none of these guys want any part of the Jets.....They know MR T is the defacto owner/decision maker...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I see many similarities between how Mike T (a non-football guy) and Dick Steinberg (a non football guy) rose to power in the Jets orginization??? Why does our figurehead have to be someone with ZERO football experience?? Discuss.............. Good ****ing question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Mike is a hard working guy Favre wouldn't have come here if it wasn't for him Who cares that he's hardworking. Everyone in the NFL is hardworking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Maybe a GM who wasnt a puppet for Woody would have stood up to the owner and said this isnt a smart football move 3 weeks before the season when we builty our team for the other QB?? A GM HAS TO do what an owner wants, even if it is not in the best interests of the product on the field. He should respectfully give his opinion, but if the owner wants Brett Favre here and wants to do everything to ensure that happens, the GM has to follow that order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 When you have been involved in the inside of pro football for as long as Mr. T has been and have learned from people like Parcells, I don't think it matters if you did not start as a "football guy". Look at Joe Gibbs. His only experience prior to being a HC was being a catcher for the Yankees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Yeah, but would MR T do that for Cowher or Shannahan or Holmgren??? He is the reaon why none of these guys want any part of the Jets.....They know MR T is the defacto owner/decision maker...... correction, the above mentioned want no part of the nfl. don't pin this on mike T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Tannebaum has done a pretty good job IMO. You surround yourself with good staff in your organization like any business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOJOTOWNSELL Posted January 5, 2009 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 Tannebaum has done a pretty good job IMO. You surround yourself with good staff in your organization like any business. I have no beef with the job he has done.....its just the fact that he seems insulated form any type of blame or accountability for the collapse....I think any reasonable fan can say at this point that Favre's play down the stretch cost Mangini his job......Mr T is the one who shoved Favre down Manginis throat 3 weeks before the season.....If we hold these 2 things to be true, then how is MR T not responsible for Mangini losing his job??? at the very least why isnt MR T been taken to task for anything this offseason?? He seems to be building a fortress around himself and ensuring that he is employed by the Jets for the next 20 yrs.....As a fan i am very, very unconmfortable with that as i've seenit before with Steinberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I have no beef with the job he has done.....its just the fact that he seems insulated form any type of blame or accountability for the collapse....I think any reasonable fan can say at this point that Favre's play down the stretch cost Mangini his job......Mr T is the one who shoved Favre down Manginis throat 3 weeks before the season.....If we hold these 2 things to be true, then how is MR T not responsible for Mangini losing his job??? at the very least why isnt MR T been taken to task for anything this offseason?? He seems to be building a fortress around himself and ensuring that he is employed by the Jets for the next 20 yrs.....As a fan i am very, very unconmfortable with that as i've seenit before with Steinberg Are you sure it was Mangini that wanted Favre and not Woody? All seems to point to Woody in this situation. No one here know what has been said to Tannenbaum by Woody or what their relationship is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Maybe a GM who wasnt a puppet for Woody would have stood up to the owner and said this isnt a smart football move 3 weeks before the season when we builty our team for the other QB?? Maybe he did. And then, after Woody smacked him in the face with Johnson's baby powder he said "good idea, boss". It is easy to tell someone else to stand up to their boss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOJOTOWNSELL Posted January 5, 2009 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 Are you sure it was Mangini that wanted Favre and not Woody? All seems to point to Woody in this situation. No one here know what has been said to Tannenbaum by Woody or what their relationship is. i never said Mangini wanted Favre, Woody did...MAngini obviously did NOT want Favre On a side note - do any of you gusy know that Woody is out of the country and MR T is running the head coaching search?? Our effin owner is on extended New Years Break and MR T has full run of the show......if that doesnt raise a red flag about how much power MR T has i don't knwo what will.......THE MOST IMPORTANT TIME IN WOODYS OWNERSHIP AND HE IS ON VACA.....SAME OLD JETS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Tannenbaum has been here since the Parcells days. It's not like he's some n00b who just graduated law school last year & was hired based on his grades. Mike Ditka was a football guy and New Orleans let him do the GM duties. Then he traded his entire draft for Ricky Williams. Also drafted an OG tenth in the country and Kyle Turley #7 overall after that. Plus guys who excelled in college but everyone knew would be nothing in the NFL (Troy Davis, Danny Weurffel, etc.). Matt Millen was already mentioned. If this is the "advantage" a former player gives us, I'll stick with the smart guy over the one who probably got early brain damage hitting things with his head for a decade-plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I see many similarities between how Mike T (a non-football guy) and Dick Steinberg (a non football guy) rose to power in the Jets orginization??? Why does our figurehead have to be someone with ZERO football experience?? Discuss.............. When you say "zero football experience", I assume you're ignoring his past 12 years with the Jets and numerous years in the NFL prior to that? Seriously, what is so hard for Jets fans to understand that this isn't some kid straight out of law school, he's been working in the NFL for his entire career and has a significant number years of experience in it. Not only that, but guess what, so far he's shown to be quite good at his job. Whatever he did 20 years ago is completely irrelevant to how qualified he is today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Yeah, but would MR T do that for Cowher or Shannahan or Holmgren??? He is the reaon why none of these guys want any part of the Jets.....They know MR T is the defacto owner/decision maker...... Based on what?!? Cowher and Holmgren are both out of the league for 2009 and Shannahan isn't talking to anyone until he gets back from vacation. Now you're just making **** up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I have no beef with the job he has done.....its just the fact that he seems insulated form any type of blame or accountability for the collapse....I think any reasonable fan can say at this point that Favre's play down the stretch cost Mangini his job......Mr T is the one who shoved Favre down Manginis throat 3 weeks before the season.....If we hold these 2 things to be true, then how is MR T not responsible for Mangini losing his job??? at the very least why isnt MR T been taken to task for anything this offseason?? He seems to be building a fortress around himself and ensuring that he is employed by the Jets for the next 20 yrs.....As a fan i am very, very unconmfortable with that as i've seenit before with Steinberg Actually, I'm pretty sure any reasonable fan would say Mangini cost himself his job with a poorly coached, unprepared, sloppy team for the last 5 weeks of the season not to mention an ineffective defense for the entirety of his 3 years as head coach. Tannenbaum got Mangini the horses, Mangini just failed to do anything with what he was given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOJOTOWNSELL Posted January 5, 2009 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 Actually, I'm pretty sure any reasonable fan would say Mangini cost himself his job with a poorly coached, unprepared, sloppy team for the last 5 weeks of the season not to mention an ineffective defense for the entirety of his 3 years as head coach. Tannenbaum got Mangini the horses, Mangini just failed to do anything with what he was given. why is it that Favre came to NY after everyone knew he didnt want to????? OH YEAH, THE JETS WERE 1 OF 2 TEAMS INTERESTED!! why didnt the dolphins pursue him?? why didnt buffalo pursue him?? why didnt tennesee pursue him?? i could go down the entire list of teams Woody wanted Favre Mangini did not want Favre A football mind caters to his coach.......as Parcells says, "How can i cook the meal if I can't pick the ingredients??" Anyone who thinks we will get a big time coach (Cowher, Holmgren) and not allow him to go shopping on his own is crazy...which is why this team will ALWAYS hire unproven coordinators as long as Woody and MR T have a man-crush on each other..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 why is it that Favre came to NY after everyone knew he didnt want to????? OH YEAH, THE JETS WERE 1 OF 2 TEAMS INTERESTED!! why didnt the dolphins pursue him?? why didnt buffalo pursue him?? why didnt tennesee pursue him?? i could go down the entire list of teams Woody wanted Favre Mangini did not want Favre A football mind caters to his coach.......as Parcells says, "How can i cook the meal if I can't pick the ingredients??" Anyone who thinks we will get a big time coach (Cowher, Holmgren) and not allow him to go shopping on his own is crazy...which is why this team will ALWAYS hire unproven coordinators as long as Woody and MR T have a man-crush on each other..... What is your basis for Mangini not wanting Favre? CTM already completed destroyed this bogus theory in another thread, showed repeated examples of how the exact opposite appeared to be true. Mangini named his son after the guy for God's sake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 why is it that Favre came to NY after everyone knew he didnt want to????? OH YEAH, THE JETS WERE 1 OF 2 TEAMS INTERESTED!! why didnt the dolphins pursue him?? why didnt buffalo pursue him?? why didnt tennesee pursue him?? i could go down the entire list of teams Woody wanted Favre Mangini did not want Favre A football mind caters to his coach.......as Parcells says, "How can i cook the meal if I can't pick the ingredients??" Anyone who thinks we will get a big time coach (Cowher, Holmgren) and not allow him to go shopping on his own is crazy...which is why this team will ALWAYS hire unproven coordinators as long as Woody and MR T have a man-crush on each other..... The wants of an owner trump the wants of a coach EVERY time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOJOTOWNSELL Posted January 5, 2009 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 The wants of an owner trump the wants of a coach EVERY time. But isnt the idea of having a strong willed coach/Gm to keep the owner from medling in your affairs?? Does anyone think if this was 1998 and parcells was the coach he wouldve allowed his owner to push ANY player down his throat?? NO CHANCE IN HELL!!! Thats why he left New England!! You guys can't be this obtuse! THIS WOULDVE NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER HAPPENED ON PARCELLS WATCH! EVER.....and that is what makes him Parcells! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 But isnt the idea of having a strong willed coach/Gm to keep the owner from medling in your affairs?? Does anyone think if this was 1998 and parcells was the coach he wouldve allowed his owner to push ANY player down his throat?? NO CHANCE IN HELL!!! Thats why he left New England!! You guys can't be this obtuse! THIS WOULDVE NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER HAPPENED ON PARCELLS WATCH! EVER.....and that is what makes him Parcells! Whether you accept or not, is another story. Tannenbaum is not in the same situation or stage of his career as Parcells. If Woody tells Tannenbaum that he wants the Jets to make a play for Brett Favre because he thinks it will increase the profile of his club (as well I believed he thought it may help them on the field), then that is what Tannenbaum HAS to do. He may be a conscientous objector, but in the end, the owner calls the shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOJOTOWNSELL Posted January 5, 2009 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 Tannenbaum is not in the same situation or stage of his career as Parcells. QUOTE] EXACTLY the reason to hire a Parcells type (Cowher, Holmgren, Shanny).............but with MR T in place none of them would ever come. We need the strong-willed guy to protect the FOOTBALL interests of the fans.........Not a MR T to protect the BUSINESS interests of the owner.......i think thats it in a nutshell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 EXACTLY the reason to hire a Parcells type (Cowher, Holmgren, Shanny).............but with MR T in place none of them would ever come. We need the strong-willed guy to protect the FOOTBALL interests of the fans.........Not a MR T to protect the BUSINESS interests of the owner.......i think thats it in a nutshell! What is so hard to understand about this? Cowher and Holmgren are not going ANYWHERE. Neither one is coaching in 2009. And despite one BS report by Cimini, the Jets haven't even had an opportunity to speak with Shannahan and even still apparently were never that interested in him to begin with based on all of the early reports. None of this has a damn thing to do with Tannenbaum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOJOTOWNSELL Posted January 5, 2009 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 What is so hard to understand about this? Cowher and Holmgren are not going ANYWHERE. Neither one is coaching in 2009. And despite one BS report by Cimini, the Jets haven't even had an opportunity to speak with Shannahan and even still apparently were never that interested in him to begin with based on all of the early reports. None of this has a damn thing to do with Tannenbaum. When will YOU understand that when i use the names Cowher, Shanny, Holmgren, ect i am not SPECIFICLY talking about THEM. I use the term "Cowher" for example to represent any and all coaches who would want to come in and be there own GM. I could be saying Dungy, Bellichek, Andy Reid, OR Cowher. It represents any and all established/tenured coaches in the league.......I understand that everyone has difft circumstances How come since Woody bought the team every one of our coaches was a first time NFL head coach?? circumstances?? I think its b/c our owner is a fanboy who likes to have puppets running the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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