BigOrangeJetFan Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Was asked point blank if Woody's vacation torpedoed the Cowher interview and he answered point blank YES! He believes that whatever chance the Jets had at getting Cowher to coach this year (and he had interest in the NY market) went away when Woody left town. Bummed out both Mikes. Way to go, Woody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 and you believe john clayton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Clayton just throws anything he can think of at the wall and if anything sticks-oh say twice a year then he's earned his keep for another year at ESPN...John Clayton=broken clock syndrome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I think Woody's back from vacation now (or any day)...what difference would it make if the interview with Woody was last week, this week or next week...where was Cowher going that he needed to have it done right away...BS if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Was asked point blank if Woody's vacation torpedoed the Cowher interview and he answered point blank YES! He believes that whatever chance the Jets had at getting Cowher to coach this year (and he had interest in the NY market) went away when Woody left town. Bummed out both Mikes. Way to go, Woody. Until such time as Clayton says: "I spoke to Bill Cowher and he said he wanted to coach the Jets this year, but Woody Johnson vacationing for about a week after the season ended made me decide otherwise." this is nothing more than a rumor. Even for someone pretty-well connected like Clayton, this stinks of "I heard from a guy who knows a guy who got the impression that..." Friggin' geek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 So at what point does the infatuation with Cowher get overcome with the reality he is not coaching this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 The perfect ending to this comedy would be promoting B. Schott. We suck in 09. And next offseason Woody wont go on vacation. He sets up a meeting with Cowher who wanted to be an analyst for a year. Woody throws the bank at him and Cowher coaches the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 The perfect ending to this comedy would be promoting B. Schott. We suck in 09. And next offseason Woody wont go on vacation. He sets up a meeting with Cowher who wanted to be an analyst for a year. Woody throws the bank at him and Cowher coaches the Jets. But... we're the Jets... why would it happen that way? My guess is that's the plan and then he goes like 12-4 and we CAN'T fire him. Then he blows for the rest of eternity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 [quote name='Blackout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsman Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 But... we're the Jets... why would it happen that way? My guess is that's the plan and then he goes like 12-4 and we CAN'T fire him. Then he blows for the rest of eternity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I think Woody's back from vacation now (or any day)...what difference would it make if the interview with Woody was last week, this week or next week...where was Cowher going that he needed to have it done right away...BS if you ask me. NS We are thinking the same way. You are going to tell me Cowher had to be talked to one day after we fired mangini-or else-give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 But... we're the Jets... why would it happen that way? My guess is that's the plan and then he goes like 12-4 and we CAN'T fire him. Then he blows for the rest of eternity. Yeah, I thought about that too. But like you said, we're the Jets. Most likey the team will suck. And then Cowher would suck in '10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Damn those vacations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gang_green03 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Clayton usually knows what he's talking about but this makes no sense. Ask yourself does it sound right that Cowher wanted to coach the Jets so bad, but couldn't wait a week for the owner to get back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Until such time as Clayton says: "I spoke to Bill Cowher and he said he wanted to coach the Jets this year, but Woody Johnson vacationing for about a week after the season ended made me decide otherwise." this is nothing more than a rumor. Even for someone pretty-well connected like Clayton, this stinks of "I heard from a guy who knows a guy who got the impression that..." Friggin' geek. I swear Clayton & Mort, because they work for ESPN, can make anything up. The guys who get real info are Jay Glazer from FOX and Adam Schefter from the NFL Network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Was asked point blank if Woody's vacation torpedoed the Cowher interview and he answered point blank YES! He believes that whatever chance the Jets had at getting Cowher to coach this year (and he had interest in the NY market) went away when Woody left town. Bummed out both Mikes. Way to go, Woody. Why listen to Clayton on ESPN radio this morning when you could have listened to Bill Cowher himself on the FAN? The Jets never had interest in Cowher and never even called him as per Bill Cowher himself: http://www.jetnation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69846 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGDIRK Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 and you believe john clayton I have a question....What reporters do you believe? Most of the Nation bitches and complains about every single reporter/anaylist. The "everyone sucks" mantra is retarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Why listen to Clayton on ESPN radio this morning when you could have listened to Bill Cowher himself on the FAN? The Jets never had interest in Cowher and never even called him as per Bill Cowher himself: http://www.jetnation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69846 imo, Jets didn't want Cowher cause Tanny has Woody's ear... Our fate is in Tannenbaum's hand now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 imo, Jets didn't want Cowher cause Tanny has Woody's ear... Our fate is in Tannenbaum's hand now.. imo, Jets didn't want Cowher cause they knew he wasn't interested in coaching this year (he had just renewed his CBS contract the week prior and said he was taking 2 years off minimum) and the only way to possibly change his mind would have been to throw ridiculous money at him causing him to accept the job for the money and not because his heart was in it. A coach is no different than a player. Their heart has to be in it in order to perform at their peak level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 So at what point does the infatuation with Cowher get overcome with the reality he is not coaching this year? Just thought this needed to be reasked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I have a question....What reporters do you believe? Most of the Nation bitches and complains about every single reporter/anaylist. The "everyone sucks" mantra is retarded. DEFINITELY not anyone at ESPN. Those hacks have been wrong 1,000+ times the past few years with no consequences. With them it is always a race to report something first and for that they wind up with egg on their face time and time again because nothing they report is confirmed in an effort to break a story. For the overall NFL, believe Adam Schefter. For the Jets, believe Eric Boland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 imo, Jets didn't want Cowher cause they knew he wasn't interested in coaching this year (he had just renewed his CBS contract the week prior and said he was taking 2 years off minimum) and the only way to possibly change his mind would have been to throw ridiculous money at him causing him to accept the job for the money and not because his heart was in it. A coach is no different than a player. Their heart has to be in it in order to perform at their peak level. True or False: It's highly unlikely that a big name, proven coach will come here knowing Mr T. has finaly say on football decisions Circle one T F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 True or False: It's highly unlikely that a big name, proven coach will come here knowing Mr T. has finaly say on football decisions Circle one T F What big names are out there? Cowher? Not coaching in 2009. Holmgren? Not coaching in 2009. Shanahan? Had control in Denver and didn't do a good job AT ALL with it. I read that DJ Williams and Jay Cutler are the only two starters in Denver's starting lineup from the 1st rounds of drafts 2003 - 2008. That is pathetic. Am I missing anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Shanahan? Had control in Denver and didn't do a good job AT ALL with it. I read that DJ Williams and Jay Cutler are the only two starters in Denver starting lineup from the 1st rounds of drafts 2003 - 2008. That is pathetic. Here is what I read: Can you name the first round picks Denver still has remaining on their roster since Mike Shanahan took over in 1995? I’ll help you out, there are three, and they were all picked in the last four years. They are Jay Cutler, DJ Williams, and Jarvis Moss, and if Moss doesn’t come around soon, he too, may be gone. There are names like, George Foster, Ashley Lelie, Willie Middlebrooks, and Marcus Nash. In fact if you go back as recently as 2004, the Broncos had 10 picks in that draft, DJ Williams is all that is left. In 2003 they also had 10 picks, and not a single player from that draft remains on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I have a question....What reporters do you believe? steven a smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 We easily forget that all of this happened only within 36 HOURS Woody and Tannebaum finish their news conference and interviews by 11 am, Monday December 29 and by 11 pm Tuesday December 30, Cowher's agent tells the Jets that Cowher won't be coaching in 2009. Plus, Cowher said that neither Woody nor Tannenbaum talked to him personally. He DID NOT say that Tannenbaum failed to talk to his agent. There was contact between them. Coaches and players usually don't have direct contact with GMs or owners at the initial juncture. I simply don't believe there was enough time to realistly get anything done within that short 36 hour window. Woody was willing to meet with Cowher personally this week. Cowher just wanted to tell Woody personally that he didn't want the job, that's why he couldn't wait. Woody and Tannebaum are getting unfairly criticized here and are victims of yellow journalism of the worst kind in sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 We easily forget that all of this happened only within 36 HOURS Woody and Tannebaum finish their news conference and interviews by 11 am, Monday December 29 and by 11 pm Tuesday December 30, Cowher's agent tells the Jets that Cowher won't be coaching in 2009. Plus, Cowher said that neither Woody nor Tannenbaum talked to him personally. He DID NOT say that Tannenbaum failed to talk to his agent. There was contact between them. Coaches and players usually don't have direct contact with GMs or owners at the initial juncture. I simply don't believe there was enough time to realistly get anything done within that short 36 hour window. Woody was willing to meet with Cowher personally this week. Cowher just wanted to tell Woody personally that he didn't want the job, that's why he couldn't wait. Woody and Tannebaum are getting unfairly criticized here and are victims of yellow journalism of the worst kind in sports. My favorite is all the media reports that took place within those 36 hours: - The Jets are in contact with Bill Cowher and it might take a ton of cash to get it done but a meeting is set up later this week. - Mike Tannenbaum is willing to step aside from some of his duties for Bill Cowher if Cowher wants personnel power. - Bill Cowher wants nothing to do with Brett Favre. - The Jets only fired Mangini thinking they were going to get Cowher and this whole thing has blown up in their faces! Etc, etc, etc. THE JETS HAD NO INTEREST AND DIDN'T EVEN PICK UP THE PHONE TO CALL HIM. Where the hell do these media reports come from? Can we please, once and for all agree to stop believing the bullsh*t we read in the papers around here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 What big names are out there? Cowher? Not coaching in 2009. Holmgren? Not coaching in 2009. Shanahan? Had control in Denver and didn't do a good job AT ALL with it. I read that DJ Williams and Jay Cutler are the only two starters in Denver's starting lineup from the 1st rounds of drafts 2003 - 2008. That is pathetic. Am I missing anyone? blech.. you have no idea what went through Cowher's mind. I believe Tanny was an obstacle here as other NFL insiders have as well. Think about it logically, if you are a proven coach are you going to want to go work for an org where the guy picking the groceries, isn't a football guy and just shanked his BFF in the back over this implosion.. I'm not saying we would be better or worse with Tanny here vs. a Shanny or Cowher, I'm just acknowledging that Tanny is likely influencing Woody enough that we are going to be forced to go with a first time guy. (unless a Parcells miracle occurs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 blech.. you have no idea what went through Cowher's mind. I believe Tanny was an obstacle here as other NFL insiders have as well. Think about it logically, if you are a proven coach are you going to want to go work for an org where the guy picking the groceries, isn't a football guy and just shanked his BFF in the back over this implosion.. I'm not saying we would be better or worse with Tanny here vs. a Shanny or Cowher, I'm just acknowledging that Tanny is likely influencing Woody enough that we are going to be forced to go with a first time guy. (unless a Parcells miracle occurs) Outside of the 3 I named (2 of which have NO INTEREST in coaching this year and the other who failed miserably at GM duties) who are you talking about? What experienced coaches will Tanny (who everyone around the league unanimously agrees did a wonderful job gathering talent that all teams were after last year) scare away? Point blank: What coach, who is not a first time coach and is not Cowher, Shanahan, or Holmgren are you remotely worried about Tanny scaring away? I don't see the point of what you're arguing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 My favorite is all the media reports that took place within those 36 hours: - The Jets are in contact with Bill Cowher and it might take a ton of cash to get it done but a meeting is set up later this week. - Mike Tannenbaum is willing to step aside from some of his duties for Bill Cowher if Cowher wants personnel power. - Bill Cowher wants nothing to do with Brett Favre. - The Jets only fired Mangini thinking they were going to get Cowher and this whole thing has blown up in their faces! Etc, etc, etc. THE JETS HAD NO INTEREST AND DIDN'T EVEN PICK UP THE PHONE TO CALL HIM. Where the hell do these media reports come from? Can we please, once and for all agree to stop believing the bullsh*t we read in the papers around here? Come on, you don't believe what agents were releasing as it was going on, but you believe what's being told now after they've had time figure the happy medium? I'd bet just about anything this is about Cowher being a prima donna and wanting to interview with Woody instead of Tanny. I do believe Tanny was an obstacle for Cowher for no other reason then it makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Outside of the 3 I named (2 of which have NO INTEREST in coaching this year and the other who failed miserably at GM duties) who are you talking about? What experienced coaches will Tanny (who everyone around the league unanimously agrees did a wonderful job gathering talent that all teams were after last year) scare away? Point blank: What coach, who is not a first time coach and is not Cowher, Shanahan, or Holmgren are you remotely worried about Tanny scaring away? I don't see the point of what you're arguing. 1) Cowher. He's not here because of Tanny/Woody imo 2) Regardless, the point I am making is that Tanny's presence is mandating a certain kind of hire. We can both have our positions here, but neither of us can guarantee that Tanny/Ryan will be a better choice then Shanny Approved GM/Shanny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Come on, you don't believe what agents were releasing as it was going on, but you believe what's being told now after they've had time figure the happy medium? I'd bet just about anything this is about Cowher being a prima donna and wanting to interview with Woody instead of Tanny. I do believe Tanny was an obstacle for Cowher for no other reason then it makes sense. Again. Missing your point here. I'm believing what I heard Bill Cowher say out of his own mouth this morning on the radio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 1) Cowher. He's not here because of Tanny/Woody imo 2) Regardless, the point I am making is that Tanny's presence is mandating a certain kind of hire. We can both have our positions here, but neither of us can guarantee that Tanny/Ryan will be a better choice then Shanny Approved GM/Shanny I've seen Shanny's track record as GM and I've seen Tannenbaum's. Give me Tannenbaum 100 out of 100 times. Cowher said he was going to sit out for at least 2 years, re-upped his contract with CBS less than a week before the season ended, and took a call from the owner of the Browns just to say he had no interest in their job. If he had ANY interest in ours which so ever, that is a terrible business move within itself that his Agent should NEVER have let him do because if he really had any interest in the Jets job, leading Cleveland on creates a market and a pissing match between them and us for his services and drives his price tag WAY UP. There is no way it was our job or no coaching as his only two options. Cowher was not coaching in 2009 in my opinion and it is supported by things he said (taking at least 2 years off) and things he did (re-newed his contract with CBS one week prior to the season ending and blowing off a job offer without even getting into a single particular rather than create a market for himself). What are your thoughts based on? Speculation, hope and faith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Again. Missing your point here. I'm believing what I heard Bill Cowher say out of his own mouth this morning on the radio. Yes then did you believe Woody and Tanny as they praised Mangini up and down during his being fired conference? Did they ever give a reason as to why he was fired?? What did you expect Cowher to say, I'm not coming cause I'd prefer Tanny was replaced? Come on.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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