Mangini lost the team huh?

[glenn212]

Here is what Kris Jenkins thinks of Eric Mangini..courtesy of the Jetsblog/brian bassett

ON ERIC MANGINI POSSIBLY GETTING HIRED IN CLEVELAND

"I think they'd be getting a great man, a great individual. I think he's a young coach who's growing and learning every day. I think as he keeps progressing, he's going to get better. I guess to Eric, we've had plenty of discussions and man-to-man I think he's one of the best men that I've met in my time on Earth. He's really a great guy. I wish him all the best."

So enough of "he lost the team" bulls**t..What about the quick development of Darrelle Revis, Nick Mangold as an all pro or Jerihco Cotchery..Mangini get credit for that?

I think there's a lot more Jet players who feel the way Kris does..

[Jetman_67]

Here is what Kris Jenkins thinks of Eric Mangini..courtesy of the Jetsblog/brian bassett

ON ERIC MANGINI POSSIBLY GETTING HIRED IN CLEVELAND

"I think they'd be getting a great man, a great individual. I think he's a young coach who's growing and learning every day. I think as he keeps progressing, he's going to get better. I guess to Eric, we've had plenty of discussions and man-to-man I think he's one of the best men that I've met in my time on Earth. He's really a great guy. I wish him all the best."

So enough of "he lost the team" bulls**t..What about the quick development of Darrelle Revis, Nick Mangold as an all pro or Jerihco Cotchery..Mangini get credit for that?

I think there's a lot more Jet players who feel the way Kris does..

All that says is Mangini is a really good guy. Im sure he is a nice guy, but that doesnt make him a good head coach.

[JMJ]

Nice guy? Sure.

Good coach? Hell no.

Also, Jenkins only had to play for him 1 year. I bet the guys who have played for him all 3 years are a little more sour on him than guys who only had to play under him for 1 year.

And "losing a team" implies that players are no longer playing with passion for their coach. Eric's teams never played with passion in the first place so it would be hard to distinguish it on the field anyhow.

[neckdemon]

Here is what Kris Jenkins thinks of Eric Mangini..courtesy of the Jetsblog/brian bassett

ON ERIC MANGINI POSSIBLY GETTING HIRED IN CLEVELAND

"I think they'd be getting a great man, a great individual. I think he's a young coach who's growing and learning every day. I think as he keeps progressing, he's going to get better. I guess to Eric, we've had plenty of discussions and man-to-man I think he's one of the best men that I've met in my time on Earth. He's really a great guy. I wish him all the best."

So enough of "he lost the team" bulls**t..What about the quick development of Darrelle Revis, Nick Mangold as an all pro or Jerihco Cotchery..Mangini get credit for that?

I think there's a lot more Jet players who feel the way Kris does..

yeah great...he's a swell guy. too bad he sucks as a head coach

[GangGreen]

Here is what Kris Jenkins thinks of Eric Mangini..courtesy of the Jetsblog/brian bassett

ON ERIC MANGINI POSSIBLY GETTING HIRED IN CLEVELAND

"I think they'd be getting a great man, a great individual. I think he's a young coach who's growing and learning every day. I think as he keeps progressing, he's going to get better. I guess to Eric, we've had plenty of discussions and man-to-man I think he's one of the best men that I've met in my time on Earth. He's really a great guy. I wish him all the best."

So enough of "he lost the team" bulls**t..What about the quick development of Darrelle Revis, Nick Mangold as an all pro or Jerihco Cotchery..Mangini get credit for that?

I think there's a lot more Jet players who feel the way Kris does..

You can't blame Eric Manginious for our horrible finish. I'll give you two hints who's fault it is: He's really old, and he sucks really badly.

[glenn212]

Give them the knute Rockne speech before every game?? The more posts I read from you the more clueless you appear to be..Its the NFL..these are professional athletes..the rah-rah locker room speech is for high school kids not pro's..This weekend how many outbursts did Andy Reid,Tony Dungy, Ken Wisenhunt have ..none..This fire up the troops line is bulls**t..pro's motivate themselves..ohh it helps no one threw 3 picks and one for a TD either ohh except Chad and on any of them did you see Sparano run over and scream at Penny...no you did not..

[CTM]

Here is what Kris Jenkins thinks of Eric Mangini..courtesy of the Jetsblog/brian bassett

ON ERIC MANGINI POSSIBLY GETTING HIRED IN CLEVELAND

"I think they'd be getting a great man, a great individual. I think he's a young coach who's growing and learning every day. I think as he keeps progressing, he's going to get better. I guess to Eric, we've had plenty of discussions and man-to-man I think he's one of the best men that I've met in my time on Earth. He's really a great guy. I wish him all the best."

So enough of "he lost the team" bulls**t..What about the quick development of Darrelle Revis, Nick Mangold as an all pro or Jerihco Cotchery..Mangini get credit for that?

I think there's a lot more Jet players who feel the way Kris does..

If Jenkins felt so strongly perhaps he shouldn't have disappeared down the stretch with the rest of the team..

Lip service

[JMJ]

Give them the knute Rockne speech before every game?? The more posts I read from you the more clueless you appear to be..Its the NFL..these are professional athletes..the rah-rah locker room speech is for high school kids not pro's..This weekend how many outbursts did Andy Reid,Tony Dungy, Ken Wisenhunt have ..none..This fire up the troops line is bulls**t..pro's motivate themselves..ohh it helps no one threw 3 picks and one for a TD either ohh except Chad and on any of them did you see Sparano run over and scream at Penny...no you did not..

You're missing the point. The coach doesn't need to show emotion himself. A coach should be even keeled. Players however need to play with emotion as football is not the type of sport where you can simply "go through the motions."

Mangini with all his rules has his players tip-toeing around like choir boys out there rather than being passionate, hungry, aggressive football players. Now a guy like Marvin Lewis is the exact opposite. He has no control at all over his players. That is no good either. But their is definitely a happy balance between Sunday School and anarchy. Mangini didn't have it.

So again, great guy? Sure. Good football coach? Absolutely not (and above is just talking about his demeanor. Lets not get into is absurdly ridiculous and ineffective X and O's.)

[afosomf]

wow so jenkins liked EM over Fox

the facts

the seattle game will go down as one of the worst coaching performances

in Jets history

5 new OL on sea's line, simply pathetic!!!!!!!!!

carry on

[aec4]

You can't blame Eric Manginious for our horrible finish. I'll give you two hints who's fault it is: He's really old, and he sucks really badly.

I love when we call 39 really old. That's funny. #4 had his hand in the collapse, no question. However, after Mangini had his panic attack and changed the defense, our D blew even more. The panic attack got him fired.

[#27TheDominator]

You're missing the point. The coach doesn't need to show emotion himself. A coach should be even keeled. Players however need to play with emotion as football is not the type of sport where you can simply "go through the motions."

Mangini with all his rules has his players tip-toeing around like choir boys out there rather than being passionate, hungry, aggressive football players. Now a guy like Marvin Lewis is the exact opposite. He has no control at all over his players. That is no good either. But their is definitely a happy balance between Sunday School and anarchy. Mangini didn't have it.

So again, great guy? Sure. Good football coach? Absolutely not (and above is just talking about his demeanor. Lets not get into is absurdly ridiculous and ineffective X and O's.)

They had the same rules when they knocked off the Pats and Titans on the road. Saying he took the passion and hunger from the players is a joke> If that were the problem they wouldn't have been able to have a collapse because they'd have sucked balls from the start. Get out on the field with 11 guys trying to kill you and you'll get your passion up pretty quick. You want to argue if it were x's and o's or Favre sucking that was the main problem fine, but save me the lack of passion argument.

[CTM]

They had the same rules when they knocked off the Pats and Titans on the road. Saying he took the passion and hunger from the players is a joke> If that were the problem they wouldn't have been able to have a collapse because they'd have sucked balls from the start. Get out on the field with 11 guys trying to kill you and you'll get your passion up pretty quick. You want to argue if it were x's and o's or Favre sucking that was the main problem fine, but save me the lack of passion argument.

Did the team look listless the last 5 weeks or did I imagine it?

imo, the team played their SB in TN and thought they could just cruise the rest of the way. Where EM failed was a) not taking them down a peg when he sensed it (parcells is a master at this) and figuring out how to turn it back on

Further, coaching not to lose and like a coward instills a poor mentality on the team.

[afosomf]

They had the same rules when they knocked off the Pats and Titans on the road. Saying he took the passion and hunger from the players is a joke> If that were the problem they wouldn't have been able to have a collapse because they'd have sucked balls from the start. Get out on the field with 11 guys trying to kill you and you'll get your passion up pretty quick. You want to argue if it were x's and o's or Favre sucking that was the main problem fine, but save me the lack of passion argument.

do you really believe he did a good job coaching???????

almost blew the cardinal game, a 1 handed catch by coles in last minute

of chef game, blew a big lead to pats and if not for a coin toss we prob

lose that one. The jauron gift from above!!

Add the SF OAK sea games!!!!!!!

What about cassel's 1st start vs IN NY!!!!!!!!!!

[jason423]

The Jets looked lifeless those last 5 games. Totally dead. They looked dead as they walked out onto the home field. That is never a good sign when you look dead in front of your home crowd. The last two times that happened were 2005 with a patchwork team and 2000 when they quit. Usually that is a sign of the coach losing the team. If it isnt the case then they quit because of Favre or someone else. Anyway you slice it this was a dead football team with players, from Favre on down, just looking like they did not care. The only starter who I can honestly say never looked like he gave up was Thomas Jones. Maybe Darrelle Revis, though it is harder to judge a corner. Everyone else was going through the motions.

[Matt39]

3 years to fix the defense is long enough. We had one of the worst defenses in the league in year 3.

Goodbye.

[bobbyjet69]

Here is what Kris Jenkins thinks of Eric Mangini..courtesy of the Jetsblog/brian bassett

ON ERIC MANGINI POSSIBLY GETTING HIRED IN CLEVELAND

"I think they'd be getting a great man, a great individual. I think he's a young coach who's growing and learning every day. I think as he keeps progressing, he's going to get better. I guess to Eric, we've had plenty of discussions and man-to-man I think he's one of the best men that I've met in my time on Earth. He's really a great guy. I wish him all the best."

So enough of "he lost the team" bulls**t..What about the quick development of Darrelle Revis, Nick Mangold as an all pro or Jerihco Cotchery..Mangini get credit for that?

I think there's a lot more Jet players who feel the way Kris does..

who said he "lost" the team? I haven't read that anywhere?

[#27TheDominator]

x's and o's and complaining about rules and expecting some rah rah bull**** to work are two different things. He may have lost the team, but his rules had nothing to do with that. I have NEVER said he did a good coaching job. I never even liked the guy as a coach or person. In fact, I doubt he's near as good a guy as Jenkins says. OTOH, he is not as bad as this board currently states and was greatly handcuffed by having LBs (&S's) that can't cover and a legendary QB that completely sucked down the stretch.

I love when we call 39 really old. That's funny. #4 had his hand in the collapse, no question. However, after Mangini had his panic attack and changed the defense, our D blew even more. The panic attack got him fired.

That's the accepted version now? Florio didn't say it so it must be correct? I guess that's okay because most of the board had a panic attack well before the Denver game.

[Matt39]

x's and o's and complaining about rules and expecting some rah rah bull**** to work are two different things. He may have lost the team, but his rules had nothing to do with that. I have NEVER said he did a good coaching job. I never even liked the guy as a coach or person. In fact, I doubt he's near as good a guy as Jenkins says. OTOH, he is not as bad as this board currently states and was greatly handcuffed by having LBs (&S's) that can't cover and a legendary QB that completely sucked down the stretch.

That's the accepted version now? Florio didn't say it so it must be correct? I guess that's okay because most of the board had a panic attack well before the Denver game.

Handcuffed by LB's that he basically picked. Mangini always had a thing for the "smart" defenseive player. Smart basically meaning slow.

[kelticwizard]

They quit on Mangini, got his butt fired for it, so now they're all lining up to testify what a great coach he'll make on some other team.

In other words, "I'm sorry I got you fired so now I'm going to do my best to get you a new job to make up for it".

[bobbyjet69]

They quit on Mangini, got his butt fired for it, so now they're all lining up to testify what a great coach he'll make on some other team.

In other words, "I'm sorry I got you fired so now I'm going to do my best to get you a new job to make up for it".

they didnt quit on him! He ****ed up!

[#27TheDominator]

Handcuffed by LB's that he basically picked. Mangini always had a thing for the "smart" defenseive player. Smart basically meaning slow.

I never disputed that he picked them, but when they can't cover AT ALL, there is only so much he can do. It fit the pattern of his time here. The team couldn't stop the run so they load up on huge front 7. Then they can't cover. They tried to go without an RB in '06 and realized the mistake so went out and got Jones. Without a LG in '07 so they got Faneca. I don't have a problem with firing him because ownership isn't happy with the D, but any amount of "emotion" or putting his foot in someone's ass is not going to help Bowens, Pace, Thomas, Barton or Harris cover a TE or back.

[Matt39]

I never disputed that he picked them, but when they can't cover AT ALL, there is only so much he can do. It fit the pattern of his time here. The team couldn't stop the run so they load up on huge front 7. Then they can't cover. They tried to go without an RB in '06 and realized the mistake so went out and got Jones. Without a LG in '07 so they got Faneca. I don't have a problem with firing him because ownership isn't happy with the D, but any amount of "emotion" or putting his foot in someone's ass is not going to help Bowens, Pace, Thomas, Barton or Harris cover a TE or back.

I agree about the rah rah BS.

Problem is, you cant teach speed. Mangini thought he could get by on defense with these "high character" scrubs.

Picking guys like Schlegal, Eric Smith(who started games for us, smh)was a complete disgrace. EVery one of our starting linebackers save Pace was slow. SLow doesnt win games in the NFL.

[124]

Awesome.

All that says to me is he a good person but he is still a **** coach who made more mistakes in this three year tenure then he did good.

[JMJ]

I am going on record now. Next year, whether it be training camp, preseason or the regular season, the players are going to talk about the differences between whoever the new coach is and Mangini and I'm sure that reporters are going to ask that exact pointed question. I am on record (without even knowing who the new coach will be) that the overwhelming adjectives you're going to hear used to describe the differences between the coach and the team as a whole will be "fun" and "aggressive" with the possibility of some "simplified" in there (if football players know how to use that word).

[JonEJet]

I love how guys on a message board act as if they are more qualified to give a statement about a coach than a player

Not a Mangini fan by no means, but I do think he deserved one more season

[madmike1]

Lets let Kris Jenkins head the coaching search...

[afosomf]

I love how guys on a message board act as if they are more qualified to give a statement about a coach than a player

Not a Mangini fan by no means, but I do think he deserved one more season

you really think so

we were 8-3 and basically lost 5 in a row, yes i'm counting the jill game as a

loss..

[#27TheDominator]

I am going on record now. Next year, whether it be training camp, preseason or the regular season, the players are going to talk about the differences between whoever the new coach is and Mangini and I'm sure that reporters are going to ask that exact pointed question. I am on record (without even knowing who the new coach will be) that the overwhelming adjectives you're going to hear used to describe the differences between the coach and the team as a whole will be "fun" and "aggressive" with the possibility of some "simplified" in there (if football players know how to use that word).

No ****. They said the same things when the BP regime left. When the next "aggressive" coach leaves and some other wannabe genius comes in they will talk about the needed structure and how the D is much smarter and using their heads. It's like the Yankees going back and forth between Lemon and Martin. It's not right or wrong it's right for right now that matters.

[Vicious89x]

I don't really think the team quit on him. But I do think Mangini lost the team. A coach needs to know how to push a teams, and players buttons and Mangini didn't really do that at the end of the season. He freaked out and micro-managed the team like he's always done so players got lazy. We can't fire the whole squad, that's why head coaches get fired. The Jets need a culture change and keeping Mangini 1 more year would not have achieved that. He's already contributed to the loser culture enough.

[SMC]

"Lost the team" is such an amorphous concept.

The players always thought Mangini was a good person, they just didn't like playing under his rules. That's why Mangini lightened up the practices in the preseason and during the season.

It doesn't matter if the team likes a HC. What matters is if the players have the faith in the HC to put them in the best position to win. If people paid attention at all during the last 5 weeks you would notice that the players lost faith in Mangini in that respect from their post game and off-the-record comments to reporters.

[JonEJet]

you really think so

we were 8-3 and basically lost 5 in a row, yes i'm counting the jill game as a

loss..

You hired the guy with a long term plan

Let the guy grow into the position

[SMC]

You hired the guy with a long term plan

Let the guy grow into the position

How can he "grow" into the position if his two biggest flaws are really not something a person could "grow out of"?

Back when he was the Pats DC, he was stripped of playcalling duties because of (1) failure to make adjustments, and (2) passivity.

That's what plagued Mangini with the Jets. How was he ever going to learn to make adjustments and be aggressive? On blitzing, he is on record as saying he is against it because of the old Buddy Ryan saying, "somebody's band is going to play." That is, by blitzing, there will be a big play either by the defense or offense.

It's a philosophical problem for Mangini. His whole approach on defense is to read-and-react, allow the offense to have as many plays as possible before scoring since that increases the chance at mistakes by the offense. How was he ever going to "grow" out of that?

[Vicious89x]

How can he "grow" into the position if his two biggest flaws are really not something a person could "grow out of"?

Back when he was the Pats DC, he was stripped of playcalling duties because of (1) failure to make adjustments, and (2) passivity.

That's what plagued Mangini with the Jets. How was he ever going to learn to make adjustments and be aggressive? On blitzing, he is on record as saying he is against it because of the old Buddy Ryan saying, "somebody's band is going to play." That is, by blitzing, there will be a big play either by the defense or offense.

It's a philosophical problem for Mangini. His whole approach on defense is to read-and-react, allow the offense to have as many plays as possible before scoring since that increases the chance at mistakes by the offense. How was he ever going to "grow" out of that?

Not to mention how much of a "micro-manager" he was. Everyone REALLY thinks that BB has his hands in everything. He is just AWARE of everything going on, he focus's on delegating, development, and defense IMO. Mangini was jack of all trades master of none.

[afosomf]

You hired the guy with a long term plan

Let the guy grow into the position

we were all duped!!!!

Mangini fetched a good java like romeo that is all!!!!!!!!

[DoubleDown]

I'm sure that Mangini is a great man.

But that has nothing to do with losing the team or coaching football. This great man proved in 3 years that he is stubborn and unable to make adjusts in all regards. When opposing teams figured out our tendencies and neutralized them, we had no counterpunch. When our players clearly had difficulty running our complex schemes, Mangini did nothing to simplify and make our players more comfortable. When we started getting absolutely no pass rush and our zone coverages were being torn apart, we kept going with the same failing game plans.

Coaching football has nothing to do with being a great man. You either produce and keep your team competitive or you get left behind. Nice guys can watch the games from their couch if they want.