Sperm Edwards Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 THE FAVRE-JETS CHESS MATCH IS ON Posted by Mike Florio on January 9, 2009, 9:07 a.m. EST When we saw the headline at ESPN.com this morning, we nodded and smiled. The game. Is on. Favre knows that, unlike the cap-rich Packers of a year ago, the cap-strapped Jets can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I am not worried about our cap situation. I think Tanny has showcased his ability to manipulate the line up to get us space and not handicap the team. There are a couple of guys on the team that can be upgraded via draft or on the cheap through FA that have some big pay checks coming their way next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 This is one of the reasons I did NOT want Favre here when the rumours of getting him from the Packers were swirling last summer. I saw the BS he pulled with the Packers last year and I thought "this guy just cares about himself ". He jerked them around till the Packers finally said "ENOUGH" . Then the Packers were made out to be the bad guys in some circles. Screw Favre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Hey Sperm what are your thoughts on the Jets cap situation for next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 9, 2009 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 Guaranteeing Coles' 2009 salary really hurts. That was an easy $6M cap clearance that he isn't worth. Players who could be cut for cap reasons (and the $ we'd save on the '09 cap): Favre ($13M) Barrett ($3.7M) Thomas ($1.8M) Chris Baker ($2.1M) Bowens ($2.5M) E.Smith (has an $880K workout-program-dependent escalator in there he'll never see; $1.4M) B.Smith (has an $880K workout-program-dependent escalator in there he'll never see; $1.4M) Shaun Ellis ($4.7M) Pouha ($0.75M) Kassell ($0.5M) D.Coleman ($0.5M) Keep in mind these players' numbers don't effectively save that amount. You still need to replace them with someone else's salary of whatever the minimum is this year (somewhere in the $300K range). So knocking off Drew Coleman doesn't truly knock $500K off the cap. Effectively it'll knock a maximum of $200K off if he's replaced with a late-round pick making $300K. Basically, just accept that in 2008 we went on our shopping spree for 2008 and 2009. It doesn't mean we have to cut everyone; just means we're not going to be major FA players unless they make household changes to more than just Brett Favre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Guaranteeing Coles' 2009 salary really hurts. That was an easy $6M cap clearance that he isn't worth. Players who could be cut for cap reasons (and the $ we'd save on the '09 cap): Favre ($13M) Barrett ($3.7M) Thomas ($1.8M) Chris Baker ($2.1M) Bowens ($2.5M) E.Smith (has an $880K workout-program-dependent escalator in there he'll never see; $1.4M) B.Smith (has an $880K workout-program-dependent escalator in there he'll never see; $1.4M) Shaun Ellis ($4.7M) Pouha ($0.75M) Kassell ($0.5M) D.Coleman ($0.5M) Keep in mind these players' numbers don't effectively save that amount. You still need to replace them with someone else's salary of whatever the minimum is this year (somewhere in the $300K range). So knocking off Drew Coleman doesn't truly knock $500K off the cap. Effectively it'll knock a maximum of $200K off if he's replaced with a late-round pick making $300K. Basically, just accept that in 2008 we went on our shopping spree for 2008 and 2009. It doesn't mean we have to cut everyone; just means we're not going to be major FA players unless they make household changes to more than just Brett Favre. I think most reasonable people realized that last years spending means we'd have to be more conservative this year. The fact is that you just can't have THAT many big contracts all on one roster. Although looking that over, its blatantly obvious Barrett is going to see his ass booted out the door. Baker, Bowens and the two Smiths are also probably going to be in a "renegotiate or you're gone" type of situation. I'd like to see the Jets keep Bowens around as a situational player, but at a lower number. The rest of those guys the Jets would hardly notice they were gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I think we should just cut him. Let him go to MN and win comeback player of they year over there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 What about K Coleman....his number has to be big...love to see that turd just float away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 9, 2009 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 What about K Coleman....his number has to be big...love to see that turd just float awayi don't have it in front of me but I think he only clears $1m if cut this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 i don't have it in front of me but I think he only clears $1m if cut this year. how bout cutting Big Pussie (BT) and barton???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 9, 2009 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 how bout cutting Big Pussie (BT) and barton???? I listed BT above and EB is a free agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 how bout cutting Big Pussie (BT) and barton???? Barton is an UFA. In his earlier post he said Thomas would clear $1.8 mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 any contract with favre should have a built in retirement decision deadline. Now we're being held ransome til he decides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I listed BT above and EB is a free agent. sorry senor moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Just re-read the article.....It says the Jets don't want Favre back\ No f-ing way does Mangini get canned, and all the Favre fest happenings at Mangini's firing do the Jets NOT want Favre back I truly believe they want him back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Guaranteeing Coles' 2009 salary really hurts. That was an easy $6M cap clearance that he isn't worth. Players who could be cut for cap reasons (and the $ we'd save on the '09 cap): Favre ($13M) Barrett ($3.7M) Thomas ($1.8M) Chris Baker ($2.1M) Bowens ($2.5M) E.Smith (has an $880K workout-program-dependent escalator in there he'll never see; $1.4M) B.Smith (has an $880K workout-program-dependent escalator in there he'll never see; $1.4M) Shaun Ellis ($4.7M) Pouha ($0.75M) Kassell ($0.5M) D.Coleman ($0.5M) Keep in mind these players' numbers don't effectively save that amount. You still need to replace them with someone else's salary of whatever the minimum is this year (somewhere in the $300K range). So knocking off Drew Coleman doesn't truly knock $500K off the cap. Effectively it'll knock a maximum of $200K off if he's replaced with a late-round pick making $300K. Basically, just accept that in 2008 we went on our shopping spree for 2008 and 2009. It doesn't mean we have to cut everyone; just means we're not going to be major FA players unless they make household changes to more than just Brett Favre. Didn't Thomas' deal have about a $10M guaranteed? I thought it was mostly a bonus that would have to be pro-rated. Pace is the one making WAY too much. He had a nice season, but a $9M roster bonus? Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 The Jets are not in a cap-strapped situation. Every year the media heads who have no clue what the cap figures actually are say the Jets are in bad cap shape. They said it last year. The Jets will cut people based on performance (ex. Barret) and not for cap reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 What about K Coleman....his number has to be big...love to see that turd just float away I think Kenyon Coleman gets $3M per. He got around a $5M bonus on his 5 year deal, so that probably means around $1M of dead money. He's the kind of guy that can be in huge danger with the coach switch. Jenkins and Ellis can at least rush the passer a little, but Coleman is strictly 2 gap run stopper. If they get a coach looking for penetrators it'll be a shame Mosley isn't under contract. I think most reasonable people realized that last years spending means we'd have to be more conservative this year. The fact is that you just can't have THAT many big contracts all on one roster. Although looking that over, its blatantly obvious Barrett is going to see his ass booted out the door. Baker, Bowens and the two Smiths are also probably going to be in a "renegotiate or you're gone" type of situation. I'd like to see the Jets keep Bowens around as a situational player, but at a lower number. The rest of those guys the Jets would hardly notice they were gone. I've thought Barrett was a goner since at least training camp 2006. The guy is like a ****aroach. He redid his deal in camp this past season or he'd have been long gone, but he came back cheaper and they dumped Poteat. Then they brought back Poteat AND Ty Law. Just re-read the article.....It says the Jets don't want Favre back\ No f-ing way does Mangini get canned, and all the Favre fest happenings at Mangini's firing do the Jets NOT want Favre back I truly believe they want him back It's Florio. Did you expect accuracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borgoguy Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 This annual Favre soap opera is why I really, really despised the guy the last few years in Green Bay. I hated that he had them over a barrel, especially since his skills had diminished significantly. So help me, when talks began about us getting Fraud, I flipped out. Eventually, after we signed him, I told my wife that I'd root for him, but I wasn't happy. Now, here we are in the same predicament as the Packers had to endure, all because some eventual Hall of Famer can't accept that his career is over. The best, logical, course for the Jests (sic) is to release Fraud and move on either with one of our young QBs or with a free agent signing. I don't think I could take another year of watching Fraud throw those ridiculous picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I don't think I could take another year of watching Fraud throw those ridiculous picks. Oh, yes you can You'll bitc*, you'll moan, and you'll also be right there on your couch next September, kicking and screaming for the Green Team It sucks, I'm right there with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Oh, yes you can You'll bitc*, you'll moan, and you'll also be right there on your couch next September, kicking and screaming for the Green Team It sucks, I'm right there with you so yer gonna hang on borgos couch next year? bring an asian girl along to break the ice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borgoguy Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Oh, yes you can You'll bitc*, you'll moan, and you'll also be right there on your couch next September, kicking and screaming for the Green Team It sucks, I'm right there with you Why do I hate that you're correct? F**K! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borgoguy Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 so yer gonna hang on borgos couch next year? bring an asian girl along to break the ice From your words to the eyes of Odin, JW. May I, humbly, suggest a potential couch guest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 you never dissapoint borgo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borgoguy Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 you never dissapoint borgo I wish that I could take all the credit, JW. But how does one accept personal accolades when all I am doing is sharing a gift which I have been given by the Creator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 This annual Favre soap opera is why I really, really despised the guy the last few years in Green Bay. I hated that he had them over a barrel, especially since his skills had diminished significantly. So help me, when talks began about us getting Fraud, I flipped out. Eventually, after we signed him, I told my wife that I'd root for him, but I wasn't happy. Now, here we are in the same predicament as the Packers had to endure, all because some eventual Hall of Famer can't accept that his career is over. The best, logical, course for the Jests (sic) is to release Fraud and move on either with one of our young QBs or with a free agent signing. I don't think I could take another year of watching Fraud throw those ridiculous picks. Could not agree more. What Favre will probably do is wait it out (like he alwayds ****ing does), wait for the Jets to cut him so he can **** away off to Minnesota and get his wish of playing with Adrian Peterson! Seriously, this guy's just gonna' piss on his legacy that he valued so much even more. **** him. I hope this arrogant prick just retires already and gets the **** away from our franchise. It's bad enough without that clown around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 This annual Favre soap opera is why I really, really despised the guy the last few years in Green Bay. I hated that he had them over a barrel, especially since his skills had diminished significantly. So help me, when talks began about us getting Fraud, I flipped out. Eventually, after we signed him, I told my wife that I'd root for him, but I wasn't happy. Now, here we are in the same predicament as the Packers had to endure, all because some eventual Hall of Famer can't accept that his career is over. The best, logical, course for the Jests (sic) is to release Fraud and move on either with one of our young QBs or with a free agent signing. I don't think I could take another year of watching Fraud throw those ridiculous picks. What's wrong with a guy being indecisive about retiring? If GB didn't like it, they could've cut him. Which is exactly what we can and should do.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Just re-read the article.....It says the Jets don't want Favre back\ No f-ing way does Mangini get canned, and all the Favre fest happenings at Mangini's firing do the Jets NOT want Favre back I truly believe they want him back No they don't. What did you expect them to say publicly. The only reason they could possible want Favre back is because they have no faith in Clemens or Ratliff and don't see a viable alternative. If McNabb was cut tomorrow Tanny would be on the phone with him in a second imo.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 What's wrong with a guy being indecisive about retiring? If GB didn't like it, they could've cut him. Which is exactly what we can and should do.. something about 13 mil hangin out there changes the equation a little doncha think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Christ, now brett Favre is our headache. He's done, he should pack it up and move home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 something about 13 mil hangin out there changes the equation a little doncha think? Huh? If we cut him, he gets nothing and we owe nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 They don’t want him back. And Favre doesn’t want to be there. But the Jets, like the Packers a year ago, also undoubtedly prefer that Favre not go somewhere else and do well. (The Jets also get a 2010 seventh-round pick back from the Jets if Favre retires.) A lot of drama added where very little actually exists. I'd be surprised to learn that Woody doesn't want to keep Favre, but if he doesn't - what's the big deal? Cut him! Either way, it's not something you do until you have a new coach in place. The Packers had to be concerned about their legend and face of the franchise doing well elsewhere, he doesn't represent the same thing here. No point in playing chicken over a 7th round pick, either, although I kinda had it in my head that the Jets got that pick whether Favre retired or they cut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borgoguy Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 What's wrong with a guy being indecisive about retiring? If GB didn't like it, they could've cut him. Which is exactly what we can and should do.. I never said there is anything wrong with being indecisive. I gave my opinion that I, personally, didn't like Fraud or his histrionics. While we're at it, let's get one thing perfectly clear: Fraud wasn't "indecisive" about retiring his last year, he retired, crying jag and all. The Packers couldn't cut him, he had already quit, and they had moved on to their QB of the future. Not surprisingly, however, he played his insidious game of undermining the Packers franchise by worming his way back into the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 What's wrong with a guy being indecisive about retiring? If GB didn't like it, they could've cut him. Which is exactly what we can and should do.. Why should we cut him? That's exactly what he wants. Cut him and he can go to Minny like he wanted to all along. We don't owe that old **** anything. The team had better know exactly how far they will let him pull the string, but they should not make it public. Cut him and let him sign elsewhere and the Jets burn the 3rd rounder? As Smitty would say: **** him that old ****ing ****. something about 13 mil hangin out there changes the equation a little doncha think? The $13M is the only reason to cut him. Sooner or later they will probably need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 9, 2009 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 Didn't Thomas' deal have about a $10M guaranteed? I thought it was mostly a bonus that would have to be pro-rated. Pace is the one making WAY too much. He had a nice season, but a $9M roster bonus? Ugh. $8M bonus for Thomas. I don't have my stuff in front of me but I think that's what it was, and there's 2 years (at $1.6M) that still have to come off. So his scheduled cap hit (including the SB amort is due to be $5.0M. Cut him and that drops to $1.8M. Pace...what can you say? That's what happens when you give a guy $20M guaranteed or in bonus money or whatever it was. You're right on Coleman (little amounts like workout bonus/other notwithstanding). His salary is $3M, plus $1M for his SB amort, for a $4M total. But he's only been with us for 2 seasons. So if we cut him now, the last 3 yrs amort accelerates ($3M total) but nothing else hits the cap. Still, that $3M accelerated amount is only $1M less of a cap hit (in 2009) than keeping him even as a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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