PatriotReign37 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Start the bidding. ESPN - Cassel trade talk opens with high 1st-rounder - AFC East Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Trade talks? I don't think so... They can franchise him and try to get a 1st-3rd... but why they hell would anybody give that up when there is at least a couple good QBs available in the 1st anyways? The Pats should have never let Cassell get down to the final year of his contract if they thought he was actually a good backup... they screwed up good on this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted January 9, 2009 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 Trade talks? I don't think so... They can franchise him and try to get a 1st-3rd... but why they hell would anybody give that up when there is at least a couple good QBs available in the 1st anyways? Big gamble on whether a rookie QB can aclimate to the NFL game. Ryan and Flacco did it, but the players are few and far between like them. The Pats should have never let Cassell get down to the final year of his contract if they thought he was actually a good backup... they screwed up good on this one... Up until this year he had shown very little. Kevin OConnel actually had a better pre season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Big gamble on whether a rookie QB can aclimate to the NFL game. Ryan and Flacco did it, but the players are few and far between like them. Up until this year he had shown very little. Kevin OConnel actually had a better pre season He isnt going anywhere... they will pay a ton for 2 QBs this season... if Cassel goes... who will be QB week 1? Not Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I doubt there is a team stupid enough to pay this pirce for a piece of garbage like Cassel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Cassell = Fugazy. Buyer beware! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I doubt there is a team stupid enough to pay this pirce for a piece of garbage like Cassel. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynton Beach Jets Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Might not be the sellers market you would think: 1) He will be franchised so his salary would be exorbitant. Cassel would have to agree to a contract with a possible new team and would have lots of leverage on the Pathetic's* since he can sit with the Patsies* for $15 million . He has not proved to be a top 10 QB and a team would have to pay top 10 salary. A team would not be willing to pay the salary plus give up a 1st or 2nd round pick. 2) He is unproven outside of New England. He will not likely benefit from having such a decent o-line and Randy Moss and Co. 3) No guarantee that Brady is healthy unless you are his doctor and are privy to his medical records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Start the bidding. ESPN - Cassel trade talk opens with high 1st-rounder - AFC East Dream on Douche Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Up until this year he had shown very little. Kevin OConnel actually had a better pre season That's not the crap you were spewing out earlier in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsman Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Cassell = Fugazy. Buyer beware! I agree 100% , a 1st is way too high for Cassell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Might not be the sellers market you would think: 1) He will be franchised so his salary would be exorbitant. Cassel would have to agree to a contract with a possible new team and would have lots of leverage on the Pathetic's* since he can sit with the Patsies* for $15 million . He has not proved to be a top 10 QB and a team would have to pay top 10 salary. A team would not be willing to pay the salary plus give up a 1st or 2nd round pick. 2) He is unproven outside of New England. He will not likely benefit from having such a decent o-line and Randy Moss and Co. 3) No guarantee that Brady is healthy unless you are his doctor and are privy to his medical records. Apparently this PatzieRain douche is. I mentioned this to him before and I was told I was "uninformed". Apparently Suzie has inside medical info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynton Beach Jets Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Apparently this PatzieRain douche is. I mentioned this to him before and I was told I was "uninformed". Apparently Suzie has inside medical info. Maybe he is Brady's doctor:rolleyes:. Likely if he is he is his proctologist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsman Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Maybe he is Brady's doctor:rolleyes:. Likely if he is he is his proctologist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gang_green03 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I'd really be surpised if a team gave up a high 1st and more for him. That makes no sense. Ignoring the fact that Cassel isn't that good, the Pats have no leverage. Everyone knows that they want to get rid of him and they'll have trouble having 2 QBs on the roster getting top 5 money. Why wouldn't you just call their bluff and wait for them to get desparate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 mama cass benefited from cassel/moss/faulk pats had highest Yac in NFL..not even close Mama Cass has bust written all over him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodWearsAGrayHoodie Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Consider this for every guy like Scott Mitchell or A.J. Feeley (neither of whom had a great records to begin with) where you see a decline when the QB goes from one team to another, there are several examples such as Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Art Schlichter Cade McNown, Dan McGwire, Todd Marinovich, Jim Druckenmiller of total first round busts. Cassel is less of a risk than any draftable QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Consider this for every guy like Scott Mitchell or A.J. Feeley (neither of whom had a great records to begin with) where you see a decline when the QB goes from one team to another, there are several examples such as Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Art Schlichter Cade McNown, Dan McGwire, Todd Marinovich, Jim Druckenmiller of total first round busts. Cassel is less of a risk than any draftable QB. How do you figure? Cassel is built on the Pats system and is used to winning... a new system and losses will be tough for him to handle... A young QB is ready to learn a new system and expects not to be great right out of the gate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Consider this for every guy like Scott Mitchell or A.J. Feeley (neither of whom had a great records to begin with) where you see a decline when the QB goes from one team to another, there are several examples such as Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Art Schlichter Cade McNown, Dan McGwire, Todd Marinovich, Jim Druckenmiller of total first round busts. Cassel is less of a risk than any draftable QB. only way he does well is to go to team with really good Yac wr's His scrambling will end after "the Hit Det and KC are better off drafting stafford and bradford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Might not be the sellers market you would think: 1) He will be franchised so his salary would be exorbitant. Cassel would have to agree to a contract with a possible new team and would have lots of leverage on the Pathetic's* since he can sit with the Patsies* for $15 million . He has not proved to be a top 10 QB and a team would have to pay top 10 salary. A team would not be willing to pay the salary plus give up a 1st or 2nd round pick. 2) He is unproven outside of New England. He will not likely benefit from having such a decent o-line and Randy Moss and Co. 3) No guarantee that Brady is healthy unless you are his doctor and are privy to his medical records. 1: So? If the intention is to keep him, him signing means little. Patriots will have to shift some salary around. Probably in the form of shifting some of Tom's money from 2009 to later. If the intention is to trade him, I am sure the Patriots have already talked to his agent and said go look for a trade and this is what we want in return. 2: Versus drafting a college QB? Teams have 16 games of film at the NFL level. Versus signing a rookie QB to a 6 year-72 million contract? That is what Matt Ryan signed for. Now, it looks like it will pay off, but how many top 10 QBs have been busts? A lot. 3: True. If the Patriots trade him, I think that is a sign that Brady is healthy. It is not like Belichick is going to say, "Screw it. Let's roll the dice." That's not the crap you were spewing out earlier in the season. That is crap. Matt Cassel was horrible during pre-season. I am sure Patriot Nation was surprised he made the final cut. I know I was shocked. makes this year that much more amazing. How do you figure? Cassel is built on the Pats system and is used to winning... a new system and losses will be tough for him to handle... A young QB is ready to learn a new system and expects not to be great right out of the gate... Are you his shrink? A young QB has never attempted an NFL pass. Matt Cassel has spent four years in the NFL and actually played a full NFL season minus 15 plays. Matt Cassel who did not start a game in college has managed to stay on one of the best NFL teams of this ERA. Why do you suppose that is? The Patriots have gotten rid of two receivers drafted in the second round. A position they had a need for. Yet, a 7th round QB has managed to stick around. Belichick and Patriots obviously saw something in him. He has obviously shown enough during his first three years and after a horrible preseason to warrant being kept on the roster. He showed why this year. Let's see, do I draft a QB and give him the neighborhood of 50 million dollars and hope he develops. Or do I take a guy for a lot less that I know what he can and cannot do because he has done it on the NFL level. A guy that is probably starving to be the starter on his team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted January 10, 2009 Author Share Posted January 10, 2009 Dream on Douche Bag BBBWWWAAHHH Okie Dokie A$$clown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted January 10, 2009 Author Share Posted January 10, 2009 Apparently this PatzieRain douche is. I mentioned this to him before and I was told I was "uninformed". Apparently Suzie has inside medical info. I said you were stoopid. Get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I can see them maybe getting a deal like the Schaub trade a couple years ago (a couple second round picks I think?). But a high first is just ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthCoastJetsFan Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 If I'm an NFL GM, I'm not trading squat for Cassel. No one in his right mind believes that the Pats are going to spend 1/4 of the entire salary cap on one position. Once they have more information on whether Brady is going to be ready, they'll have to get rid of one of them. Patience wins this game. No way the Pats get what they want here. Buyers can drive down the price if they don't panic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I can see them maybe getting a deal like the Schaub trade a couple years ago (a couple second round picks I think?). But a high first is just ridiculous. I agree. Plus, Kraft, Belichick and all in the FO have said the cost effectiveness of a high pick is not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I agree. Plus, Kraft, Belichick and all in the FO have said the cost effectiveness of a high pick is not worth it. LOL Yeah because if they could get a high first... they think its totally not worth it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnjet Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 well, either way, its not going to happen anytime soon. the nfl does not allow franchise tags just to trade anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted January 10, 2009 Author Share Posted January 10, 2009 No one in his right mind believes that the Pats are going to spend 1/4 of the entire salary cap on one position. Assmop does. Once they have more information on whether Brady is going to be ready, they'll have to get rid of one of them. Matt Cassel, and they'll be a market for him. Some teams will want to settle the QB issue and get moving on to the upcoming year. Waiting until the last minute like the Jets did this past season proved to be disasterous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Assmop does. Matt Cassel, and they'll be a market for him. Some teams will want to settle the QB issue and get moving on to the upcoming year. Waiting until the last minute like the Jets did this past season proved to be disasterous. afo to you skippy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted January 10, 2009 Author Share Posted January 10, 2009 I agree. Plus, Kraft, Belichick and all in the FO have said the cost effectiveness of a high pick is not worth it. If Pioli lands in KC, I'd be happy with Tony Gonzalez and their 2nd round pick. Brady to Gonzalez would be just sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 If Pioli lands in KC, I'd be happy with Tony Gonzalez and their 2nd round pick. Brady to Gonzalez would be just sick. It would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Tyler Thigpen played just as well as Matty Casselhoff last season. I would be happy to have either on the Jets. Thigpen is an ******* in real life (who knows about Cassel), but they both played well in their first NFL stints in 2008, and Thigpen did it with much less and Herman Edwards as his Head Coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Tyler Thigpen played just as well as Matty Casselhoff last season. I would be happy to have either on the Jets. Thigpen is an ******* in real life (who knows about Cassel), but they both played well in their first NFL stints in 2008, and Thigpen did it with much less and Herman Edwards as his Head Coach. That is why I think KC is out of the Cassel sweepstakes. Use that top pick on someone else to improve your 2-14 record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I'd be surprised if he garnered a 1st, given the ridiculous contract it's going to take to get him to forgo his guaranteed 1 yr/$14M or whatever it is. But I could see a 2nd rounder (maybe even a 2nd rounder plus a late-rounder or existing player) from the likes of Chicago, Minnesota, San Fran, or Tampa Bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted January 10, 2009 Author Share Posted January 10, 2009 Tyler Thigpen played just as well as Matty Casselhoff last season. I would be happy to have either on the Jets. Thigpen is an ******* in real life (who knows about Cassel), but they both played well in their first NFL stints in 2008, and Thigpen did it with much less and Herman Edwards as his Head Coach. They arent that sold on Thigpen in KC. Some say he has trouble operating under center. Out of the shotgun hes OK. My nieghbor met Thigpen and said hes a good guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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