Sperm Edwards Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 What a dick. http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/ny-spmangini095992323jan09,0,537073.story New Browns coach Mangini says Jets were 1st class BY MARY SCHMITT BOYER |Special to Newsday January 9, 2009 BEREA, Ohio - Eric Mangini had nothing but good things to say about the Jets yesterday, including general manager Mike Tannenbaum and quarterback Brett Favre. Mangini was introduced as the coach of the Cleveland Browns, and during his news conference at the team's headquarters, he addressed his departure from the Jets for the first time since he was fired Dec. 29. The Jets lost four of their last five games to finish 9-7 and out of the playoffs. Mangini went 23-25 in three regular seasons as coach and lost one playoff game. "My last three years with the New York Jets, as a first-time head coach, was invaluable," he said. "I'm proud of what we did at the Jets - two of three winning seasons. But what I'm most proud of is the people that we brought into that organization, the players we brought into that organization and, really, the organization we were starting to build." Mangini said he did not focus on his job security as the Jets' season started to unravel, but he refused to criticize the decision to let him go. "I've really appreciated the opportunity I was given by Terry Bradway, by Mr. Johnson [owner Woody Johnson], by Mike," he said. "I've been on the other side of that table. I've told people that we feel like it's time to go in a different direction. I understand having that conversation and not everybody is going to agree when you're given that news that that should be the case. "But I get that. I've done that. I've made those calls. I respect the fact that they've made the decision they've made. One thing I can tell you is that I really appreciated that opportunity. It was invaluable to me." Mangini also insisted that he was on board with the decision to bring in Favre, contrary to media reports. "Any of those decisions I was intricately involved in," said Mangini, who confirmed reports that he would like to bring Jets quarterback coach Brian Daboll to Cleveland. "I really enjoyed my time with Brett. I think Brett's obviously a Hall of Fame quarterback. He came into a really challenging situation. I respected how important it was for him to be one of the guys, to fit into the team. I really liked the time that I spent with him." There were many reasons for the Jets' slide after their 8-3 start, said Mangini, who did not address Favre's performance during that period. "During that whole process, each game had different things," he said. "There were definitely things that I could have done better as a head coach. There were definitely things that the coaches could have done better. There were definitely things that we could have done better as a group of players. We weren't able to achieve the goals, obviously, that we all had in mind. But it's never one person, it's never one play. It's everybody collectively doing a better job than we did during that stretch.'' Mangini said he will learn from his experiences with the Jets, but he said one thing will not change. "All I'll ever be worried about," Mangini said, "is putting the organization and the players in the best position to be successful." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 yeah! what a piece of ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 There are clauses in HC contracts prohibiting them from negative commentary about the franchise. I'm sure it will be all peaches and cream in NY when Mangini takes coaches and players to Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 What a dick. ." Why does this make him a dick Sperm? What's he suppose to say ? I'm sure he wants to stay in the NFL for quite awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Paranoid Jet Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 There are clauses in HC contracts prohibiting them from negative commentary about the franchise. I'm sure it will be all peaches and cream in NY when Mangini takes coaches and players to Cleveland. Sounds great. Want Sutton? Wonderful. How bout Schott too? Phenominal. How about Abraham Elam? Would you like that? Oh, you'd take Chris Baker too? Man, cool. Cleveland rocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyjet69 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Sounds great. Want Sutton? Wonderful. How bout Schott too? Phenominal. How about Abraham Elam? Would you like that? Oh, you'd take Chris Baker too? Man, cool. Cleveland rocks. Baker? NO!! He can have Bubba Franks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Baker? NO!! He can have Bubba Franks! Hell take em both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 yeah! what a piece of ****. yea he's a swell guy, good for him. too bad hes a ****ty head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 He was hamstrung this year by a greedy owner looking to sell PSLs and became the scapegoat. I bet he does good to great things in the NFL, if he surrounds himself with better coordinators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 11, 2009 Author Share Posted January 11, 2009 He was hamstrung this year by a greedy owner looking to sell PSLs and became the scapegoat. I bet he does good to great things in the NFL, if he surrounds himself with better coordinators. Yeah, hung out to dry with the acquisitions of Alan Faneca, Damien Woody, Calvin Pace, Tony Richardson, Brett Favre, Jesse Chatman, & Ty Law. And the purported-to-be top 3-4 OLB prospect of the draft...to replace the stiff Mangini wanted us to extend for supermillions in Bryan Thomas. I'm sure Mangini & the Jets would have been better off with last year's personnel. This is crap. Other than certain people who are buying PSL's no matter what, winning and affordability is what sells PSL's, and the former is the goal with acquiring good players. Picking up big names & still not winning doesn't help move PSL's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 He was hamstrung this year by a greedy owner looking to sell PSLs and became the scapegoat. I bet he does good to great things in the NFL, if he surrounds himself with better coordinators. Was he hamstrung when the team was 8-3? That way the team collapsed had NOTHING to do with PSL's. It had everything to do with inept coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grogans Heroes Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Hey Herm Edwards will be available next week when Pioli fires him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Good luck to Mangini..move on Jets fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn212 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Mangini gets fired and doesn't say one disbarging word about Woody, Favre, Tanny or the Jets organization and you have isues with this?..He left here with dignity and class.. its more then i can say for some of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Mangini gets fired and doesn't say one disbarging word about Woody, Favre, Tanny or the Jets organization and you have isues with this?..He left here with dignity and class.. its more then i can say for some of you. no we have issues with the fact that he wasted 3 years of watching football. the guy sucked as a head coach, and his teams were pretty painful to watch the last 2 years. especially is defenses, which was supposed to be his forte. the guy is a fat loser......best part about him is the size of his man-boobs. he can suck my ****ing balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Mangini gets fired and doesn't say one disbarging word about Woody, Favre, Tanny or the Jets organization and you have isues with this?..He left here with dignity and class.. its more then i can say for some of you. Agreed. What did he say that makes him a "dick". He's always had class. I wish him well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Good luck to Mangini..move on Jets fans They won't. They're still people here obsessed with Herm 3 + years later. Mangini will be no different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Yeah, hung out to dry with the acquisitions of Alan Faneca, Damien Woody, Calvin Pace, Tony Richardson, Brett Favre, Jesse Chatman, & Ty Law. And the purported-to-be top 3-4 OLB prospect of the draft...to replace the stiff Mangini wanted us to extend for supermillions in Bryan Thomas. I'm sure Mangini & the Jets would have been better off with last year's personnel. This is crap. Other than certain people who are buying PSL's no matter what, winning and affordability is what sells PSL's, and the former is the goal with acquiring good players. Picking up big names & still not winning doesn't help move PSL's. I think the Jets would have been better served not going with Favre. He and his coaches had to completely adjust their entire offensive scheme to suit the needs of Favre. It wasn't the smartest move and you could tell he was not in favor of it. You don't change the most important position in football a mere weeks before the start of the season unless there is some kind of injury. If nothing the acquistion set us back further from being a year in and year out contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Was he hamstrung when the team was 8-3? That way the team collapsed had NOTHING to do with PSL's. It had everything to do with inept coaching. No amount of great coaching can overcome terrible quarterback play. Look at the game yesterday with the Panthers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 No amount of great coaching can overcome terrible quarterback play. Look at the game yesterday with the Panthers. Through 10 games the Jets were 2nd in the NFL in sacks. They had 3 sacks the rest of the season. That the QB's fault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Through 10 games the Jets were 2nd in the NFL in sacks. They had 3 sacks the rest of the season. That the QB's fault? That is a very telling stat Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Through 10 games the Jets were 2nd in the NFL in sacks. They had 3 sacks the rest of the season. Isn't that about the time Kris Jenkins started slowing up? And let's be real, we weren't playing world beaters through week 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Isn't that about the time Kris Jenkins started slowing up? And let's be real, we weren't playing world beaters through week 10. And they were playing world beaters during the last 6 games when they completely collapsed against garbage teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 They won't. They're still people here obsessed with Herm 3 + years later. Mangini will be no different. Herm is different. He gets as much hate as he deserves because of the perception he's a good coach and is treated as such. The "pundits" in the NFL and media actually think he is good. And Jets fans saw through that. He is pathetic and we enjoy watching the train wreck that is KC. Mangini.. I have no ill will to him. 3 years wasnt enough to hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 And they were playing world beaters during the last 6 games when they completely collapsed against garbage teams? 5 sacks against the Cards, 5 sacks against the Bengals, 4 sacks against the Chiefs. Certainly they were not playing great teams the last 6 weeks, but certainly better than these teams (Cardinals miracle run aside). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 5 sacks against the Cards, 5 sacks against the Bengals, 4 sacks against the Chiefs. Certainly they were not playing great teams the last 6 weeks, but certainly better than these teams (Cardinals miracle run aside). What about 0 sacks against the Seahawks who were playing with an O line of ex UPS workers? What about 0 sacks against Shaun "The Statue" Hill? How about not blitzing AT ALL during the last 5 games? Your excuse making is just silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 What about 0 sacks against the Seahawks who were playing with an O line of ex UPS workers? What about 0 sacks against Shaun "The Statue" Hill? How about not blitzing AT ALL during the last 5 games? Your excuse making is just silly. Again, how effective was Kris Jenkins that game? How much did the weather play a factor? I know it shouldn't be how one player goes, so goes the whole team, but as Jenkins went, the Jets D went. I don't see how it is the coach's fault that players did not do their part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 11, 2009 Author Share Posted January 11, 2009 I think the Jets would have been better served not going with Favre. He and his coaches had to completely adjust their entire offensive scheme to suit the needs of Favre. It wasn't the smartest move and you could tell he was not in favor of it. You don't change the most important position in football a mere weeks before the start of the season unless there is some kind of injury. If nothing the acquistion set us back further from being a year in and year out contender. First off, I forgot about Jenkins, another player Mangini was "hamstrung" with. Second, every team acquires players - even high-priced ones - that don't turn out as well as they'd hoped. But when it happens with the Jets, it's the owner pulling the strings against the coach's wishes in the interest of PSL's over wins. What a load of garbage. I think PSL's are a disgusting shakedown, but if you don't want to pay it then you don't have to. But with or without PSL's, I don't doubt Woody wants the Jets to be winners. Firing Mangini after one of the greatest collapses in team history doesn't change that. How many people came out from all over the place about how stupid we were for dumping Herm? Plenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Again, how effective was Kris Jenkins that game? How much did the weather play a factor? I know it shouldn't be how one player goes, so goes the whole team, but as Jenkins went, the Jets D went. I don't see how it is the coach's fault that players did not do their part. Oh so he gets the credit for 8-3 but none of the blame for the collapse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Oh so he gets the credit for 8-3 but none of the blame for the collapse? Where did I give him credit for the 8-3 start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Where did I give him credit for the 8-3 start? So if he gets no credit for that why should he be kept? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 First off, I forgot about Jenkins, another player Mangini was "hamstrung" with. Second, every team acquires players - even high-priced ones - that don't turn out as well as they'd hoped. But when it happens with the Jets, it's the owner pulling the strings against the coach's wishes in the interest of PSL's over wins. What a load of garbage. I think PSL's are a disgusting shakedown, but if you don't want to pay it then you don't have to. But with or without PSL's, I don't doubt Woody wants the Jets to be winners. Firing Mangini after one of the greatest collapses in team history doesn't change that. How many people came out from all over the place about how stupid we were for dumping Herm? Plenty. Herm's firing was more than warranted. He was never going to get out of his own way. Mangini's two winning season in three years, was not. Jets fans expected the world after the 8-3 start and started buying into the hype of what was a heavily flawed team. We have to find someone to blame besides ourselves, when everyone was buying into this team. It happened to be Mangini when it could have just as easily been Sutton or Schotty, more the former than the latter. The thing that bothers me the most is that Woody and Tanny said they want to Jets to take forward steps from where Mangini has brought them. And we're looking at more unproven co-ordinators and college coaches? Really? You want to go where Mangini cannot take us, but you want someone else who has to adjust to life as an NFL Head Coach, setting us back another bunch of years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 11, 2009 Author Share Posted January 11, 2009 Must have been someone else deciding to repeatedly punt from inside the opponents' 40 (as close as the 32). I don't think he's a bad guy. But he left a lot to be desired as a HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 So if he gets no credit for that why should he be kept? Before Favre came, most thought we we're 8-8, 9-7, if that. After Favre came 10-6 was the ceiling. He should have been given a chance at the very least because of the positive steps the Jets took on the season as a whole. Everyone likes to take the last 6 weeks of the season and say that's why he was fired, because of the collapse. The fans and the press gave the Jets unrealistic expectations after the 8-3 start, and the fans and the press got Mangini fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Before Favre came, most thought we we're 8-8, 9-7, if that. After Favre came 10-6 was the ceiling. He should have been given a chance at the very least because of the positive steps the Jets took on the season as a whole. Everyone likes to take the last 6 weeks of the season and say that's why he was fired, because of the collapse. The fans and the press gave the Jets unrealistic expectations after the 8-3 start, and the fans and the press got Mangini fired. LOL @ the press got him fired. He got himself fired by his team playing like gutless losers in the last 5 games of the season with the playoffs on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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