Delhomme for Favre???

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http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/

NFL: Could Favre replace Delhomme?

On the day that the Panthers were supposed to begin the process of exorcising the demons of two years of underachievement, we might have seen the last of quarterback Jake Delhomme in black and Carolina blue. Five interceptions and a fumble for a 34-year-old quarterback entering the final year of his contract could be enough to prompt the Panthers to move in a different direction. Especially with a decent number of quarterbacks available via trade or free agency, and with Delhomme due to earn $5.325 million in 2009.

One thing's certain -- there will be plenty of voices in Charlotte calling for the team to bid farewell to Jake. Ever since Delhomme exploded onto the scene in 2003, there has been periodic whispers and concerns that he's simply not good enough to be a high-end NFL quarterback. If there was any doubt, last night's performance removed it. And here's something to keep in mind: At one point in the 2008 offseason, agent Bus Cook was privately saying that Brett Favre wanted to play for the Panthers. That said, some might argue that Favre already was playing for the Panthers last night.

[afosomf]

Jake blows

F no to him in nY

[Larz]

if they want to get rid of a guy who had 1 bad game for a guy who had 5, I'd trade them favre for a 7th just to get his contract off the books

[madmike1]

This is a great idea. Get Favre out of there and bring in a Vet to sit behind ratliff.

[Jetkid94]

This is a great idea. Get Favre out of there and bring in a Vet to sit behind ratliff.

I agree 100%!!

[BroadwayJ667]

brett favre from packers to the jets, a 3rd round pick

brett favre from jets to panthers, a 4th round pick

brett favre, from hero to circus show, priceless

[The Gun Of Bavaria]

There's a reason Delhomme was a backup in New Orleans.

F Him To The Jets.

Start Ratliff, who really cares at this point, really

[4HCrew]

This is a great idea. Get Favre out of there and bring in a Vet to sit behind ratliff.

Yeah because Ratliff has proven so much....what a joke..Rick Mirer was a preseason all star too

[Maxman]

Yeah because Ratliff has proven so much....what a joke..Rick Mirer was a preseason all star too

I am definitely interested to see what Ratliff can do, but I am not willing to hand things over to him just yet either.

[ECURB]

I am definitely interested to see what Ratliff can do, but I am not willing to hand things over to him just yet either.

Why not at this point? What do the JETS have to lose at QB by starting him? Unless they find a good replacement for Favre... and if there is a QB thats good out there they are going to the Vikings first I would think...

[hoping4ASuperBowl]

I am definitely interested to see what Ratliff can do, but I am not willing to hand things over to him just yet either.

thats fine by me, give the kid a shot against a first team defense with first team offense.

and 4HCrew, what did Warner or Delhomme do to finally be considered a starter? I imagine they must have had a good preseason or CFL career in the making. But they had to start somewhere since neither was drafted and look at where they are now.

Warner is one game away from his second SB appearance and Delhomme has gotten there before. What makes Ratliff any less a shot then those two?

[Sperm Edwards]

My only objection to bringing in Delhomme is that we'd be in some way forgoing draft value for a player that will clearly be released.

If neither Ratliff nor Clemens could beat him out or the job, then we've got problems with or without Jake Delhomme.

thats fine by me, give the kid a shot against a first team defense with first team offense.

and 4HCrew, what did Warner or Delhomme do to finally be considered a starter? I imagine they must have had a good preseason or CFL career in the making. But they had to start somewhere since neither was drafted and look at where they are now.

Warner is one game away from a SB and Delhomme has gotten there before. What makes Ratliff any less a shot then those two?

Yes, but neither team went into the season with those two as the only option (or even the leading candidate). Warner only got the job because Trent Green broke his leg in the last preseason game or something. And Rodney Peete lost the starting position for sucking on the job.

Any incoming HC like Ryan would give me pause if he tells his GM that he doesn't need a an experienced QB, with any history of success, on the roster. And that he's perfectly content going into the season with a reputed bust 2nd-stringer heading into his 4th season with 7 career NFL starts, an undrafted 3rd-year player who's never taken a snap in a real game, and a 5th round 2nd-year player who got suspended before taking a single snap as a rookie. Oh - and he's never seen a single one of them in practice. Only one he's seen first-hand was Clemens' first NFL start in 2007.

[hoping4ASuperBowl]

My only objection to bringing in Delhomme is that we'd be in some way forgoing draft value for a player that will clearly be released.

If neither Ratliff nor Clemens could beat him out or the job, then we've got problems with or without Jake Delhomme.

Yes, but neither team went into the season with those two as the only option (or even the leading candidate). Warner only got the job because Trent Green broke his leg in the last preseason game or something. And Rodney Peete lost the starting position for sucking on the job.

true. well all I really hope for is the best QB to win. I would just hate to find we let Ratliff go, he signs somewhere else and finally gets his start and becomes a star QB.

[Thai Jet]

This is a great idea. Get Favre out of there and bring in a Vet to sit behind ratliff.

As usual we're on the same page Mike. At least Delhomme got them to the playoffs.

[Boynton Beach Jets]

I am definitely interested to see what Ratliff can do, but I am not willing to hand things over to him just yet either.

We at least need a veteran QB to tutor and lean on through the process.

[Sperm Edwards]

true. well all I really hope for is the best QB to win. I would just hate to find we let Ratliff go, he signs somewhere else and finally gets his start and becomes a star QB.

Yes, that would suck. But he (or Clemens) wouldn't need to blow Delhomme out of the water in competition. If it's down to Ratliff/Delhomme, and one of them may have a bright future & the other is a year or two from being out of the league, you give the kid the nod.

I don't really know what to make of Clemens. He got beat out by Pennington in his 3rd season, when the HC and OC both CLEARLY wanted not-Pennington to win the job. In his brief stint as starter, he didn't look too impressive. But then his starting receivers were Justin McCareins, Brad Smith, an injured Jerricho Cotchery who couldn't catch anymore, and Chris Baker. And a ground game that gained no yards (save a rare long run by Leon), to go with an OL that allowed him no time in the pocket (not that his receivers were getting open anyway).

In that time, he looked mostly sucky: happy feet and inaccurate passes are a deadly duo. But the circumstances were awful for a guy with no experience. So like I said, I don't know what to make of Clemens. He is (allegedly) smart, he's clearly mobile, and has a VERY strong arm.

Some guys just "get it" eventually. Most do not. So we'll see.

[shawn306]

This is like being on the proverbial treadmill. From Pennington to Favre to Jake now ? All this to help bring up a young QB ?

With the years that Ryan and Flacco had, I think you will more teams throw the young QB's thrown into the fire rather than have him sit on the bench for two or three years learning.

Has sitting on the bench basically for his first three years helped Clemens in his development ? If anything he probably regressed.

The Jets need to go out and draft a QB or go with Ratcliffe or Clemens. If you want to bring in a vet, bring in a guy who will know his job is to be the backup.

[afosomf]

Yes, that would suck. But he (or Clemens) wouldn't need to blow Delhomme out of the water in competition. If it's down to Ratliff/Delhomme, and one of them may have a bright future & the other is a year or two from being out of the league, you give the kid the nod.

I don't really know what to make of Clemens. He got beat out by Pennington in his 3rd season, when the HC and OC both CLEARLY wanted not-Pennington to win the job. In his brief stint as starter, he didn't look too impressive. But then his starting receivers were Justin McCareins, Brad Smith, an injured Jerricho Cotchery who couldn't catch anymore, and Chris Baker. And a ground game that gained no yards (save a rare long run by Leon), to go with an OL that allowed him no time in the pocket (not that his receivers were getting open anyway).

In that time, he looked mostly sucky: happy feet and inaccurate passes are a deadly duo. But the circumstances were awful for a guy with no experience. So like I said, I don't know what to make of Clemens. He is (allegedly) smart, he's clearly mobile, and has a VERY strong arm.

Some guys just "get it" eventually. Most do not. So we'll see.

i would rather have Collins then Leftwich as my vet

Jake blows and he couldn't handle NY and u know that!!!

[4HCrew]

thats fine by me, give the kid a shot against a first team defense with first team offense.

and 4HCrew, what did Warner or Delhomme do to finally be considered a starter? I imagine they must have had a good preseason or CFL career in the making. But they had to start somewhere since neither was drafted and look at where they are now.

Warner is one game away from his second SB appearance and Delhomme has gotten there before. What makes Ratliff any less a shot then those two?

First of all I want nothing to do with Jake. If I was going for a veteran quarterback Marc Bulger would be my guy and I think can be had. Of course I would love for the Jets to groom a young quarterback, but this team is set up to win now. Not sure really want to sit and watch anyone try to learn while losing years on Jenkins and Faneca. I think the success of Ryan and Flacco have given some fans false hope. Again what exactly has Ratliff shown to make him a #1? he can be part of an open competition but a proven veteran should be be brought in.

[crashingjet]

Just so I'm clear, the Jets cut Pennington who went on to the playoffs, he did not have a good day and ended up 25 of 38 for 252 yards 1TD and 4 int. and according to the majority of the board here, nobody would ever want him on their team again because he sucks so bad.

Now JetNation wants to pick up Jake Delhomme who went to the playoffs and ended up 17 of 34 for 205 yards 1 TD and 5 int. Clearly a worse performance than Chad in all statistacal categories for the playoffs and the entire year. Chad had more yards, more TD's, less int's and better passer rating and better completion % for 2008.

Not to be a dick, but Delhomme would probably not be a good option for NY, you're better off going in a different direction.

[afosomf]

First of all I want nothing to do with Jake. If I was going for a veteran quarterback Marc Bulger would be my guy and I think can be had. Of course I would love for the Jets to groom a young quarterback, but this team is set up to win now. Not sure really want to sit and watch anyone try to learn while losing years on Jenkins and Faneca. I think the success of Ryan and Flacco have given some fans false hope. Again what exactly has Ratliff shown to make him a #1? he can be part of an open competition but a proven veteran should be be brought in.

Bulger is not a bad option

i think he may have Carr syndrone from all the hits in STL

[Sperm Edwards]

i would rather have Collins then Leftwich as my vet

Jake blows and he couldn't handle NY and u know that!!!

One of the biggest problems with Favre (other than the obvious failure to keep the football out of the hands of the defense) was his lack of mobility. He didn't need to have hundreds of rushing yards, but he would stand there in the same spot in the pocket. Collins - and especially Leftwich - are just as immobile. And Leftwich compounds that with his slo-mo windup that tells everyone in coverage where the pass is going 3 seconds before the ball is released.

Collins had a good season. Not great; good. And while our OL is one of the league's better units overall, they run-block a lot better than they pass-block. Collins won't have the same premiere pass-blocking protection here (or anywhere) that he had in Carolina. And this is all academic anyway; we're not burning what little cap space we have for CB, S, WR, and LB so we can out-bid every QB-needy team for Kerry Collins coming off his "last hurrah" season.

Leftwich is more realistic only because of his lower demand league-wide.

The hopeful goal is to have a young QB win the job. If neither Clemens nor Ratliff can beat out Jake Delhomme (with his Chad Pennington arm strength + Ryan Fitzpatrick accuracy), we've got problems. Big problems.

[Sperm Edwards]

Just so I'm clear, the Jets cut Pennington who went on to the playoffs, he did not have a good day and ended up 25 of 38 for 252 yards 1TD and 4 int. and according to the majority of the board here, nobody would ever want him on their team again because he sucks so bad.

Now JetNation wants to pick up Jake Delhomme who went to the playoffs and ended up 17 of 34 for 205 yards 1 TD and 5 int. Clearly a worse performance than Chad in all statistacal categories for the playoffs and the entire year. Chad had more yards, more TD's, less int's and better passer rating and better completion % for 2008.

Not to be a dick, but Delhomme would probably not be a good option for NY, you're better off going in a different direction.

I agree if the purpose is to bring him in as starter. If he's here for camp fodder and to be a backup it's not the same as bringing in Pennington to be the unquestioned starter.

[afosomf]

One of the biggest problems with Favre (other than the obvious failure to keep the football out of the hands of the defense) was his lack of mobility. He didn't need to have hundreds of rushing yards, but he would stand there in the same spot in the pocket. Collins - and especially Leftwich - are just as immobile. And Leftwich compounds that with his slo-mo windup that tells everyone in coverage where the pass is going 3 seconds before the ball is released.

Collins had a good season. Not great; good. And while our OL is one of the league's better units overall, they run-block a lot better than they pass-block. Collins won't have the same premiere pass-blocking protection here (or anywhere) that he had in Carolina. And this is all academic anyway; we're not burning what little cap space we have for CB, S, WR, and LB so we can out-bid every QB-needy team for Kerry Collins coming off his "last hurrah" season.

Leftwich is more realistic only because of his lower demand league-wide.

The hopeful goal is to have a young QB win the job. If neither Clemens nor Ratliff can beat out Jake Delhomme (with his Chad Pennington arm strength + Ryan Fitzpatrick accuracy), we've got problems. Big problems.

Give me Byron over del bonne choke for veteran presence.

He really looked good when ben got hurt twice and PItt Ol is not great

[The Paranoid Jet]

There are two issues layered within each other here.

The first issue: what are we going to do with Favre? It's pretty clear to me that he can't stay here - we've got a hostile team situation and it was obvious that he was entirely spent near the end of the season anyway. If he wants to play in Carolina that's great; I'd say we'll trade him for a song and a whisper. I'd do the swap for a seventh rounder to clear him from the payroll.

Second, of course, is finding someone to play under center for us next year. Is Delhomme the answer?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DelhJa00.htm

I say probably not. He's had two great seasons sandwiched by a lot of fluff and his completion percentages are pretty borderline. I was actually surprised to see how inaccurate he was considering all the positive talk he receives. I wouldn't want to put up with two or three wheezing years of this.

To tell you the truth, at this point I think the best option is to sign a veteran free agency QB for a three year contract or so and probably start drafting quarterbacks and trying to let them develop. This team isn't going anywhere fast. As impossible as it will be for the fanbase to understand there's nothing else to hope for other than decisions to set up a sound future.

[CTM]

Just so I'm clear, the Jets cut Pennington who went on to the playoffs, he did not have a good day and ended up 25 of 38 for 252 yards 1TD and 4 int. and according to the majority of the board here, nobody would ever want him on their team again because he sucks so bad.

Now JetNation wants to pick up Jake Delhomme who went to the playoffs and ended up 17 of 34 for 205 yards 1 TD and 5 int. Clearly a worse performance than Chad in all statistacal categories for the playoffs and the entire year. Chad had more yards, more TD's, less int's and better passer rating and better completion % for 2008.

Not to be a dick, but Delhomme would probably not be a good option for NY, you're better off going in a different direction.

Here's a couple of things..

1) Delhomme would be a place holder, not a solution. You guys are going to be on the Penny roller coaster for at least 2 more season, probably more..

2) Delhomme's awful game was mental, Chad's was physical. Chad was something like 1-10 with 3 INT's on any ball the traveled more then 10 yards in the air. Physically he couldn't beat the Ravens, didn't even belong on the same field with them as a matter of fact. While unlikely, mental issues can be fixed, physical ones can't.

3) Comparing stats like that is nonsensical. The Dolphins defense prevented the Ravens offense from scoring which meant Chad still had plenty of time to dink and dunk well into the 4th, and the Ravens were more then happy to allow him to do so. Arizona kept scoring forcing Delhomme to push the ball further down field. Look at the stats quoted above, had Chad attempted 20 passes down field he would've been picked 6 times or more.

That being said, I don't see a point in Delhomme and will maintain the same position I've had since 2006, go with a kid. It's a shame Philly made the playoffs, McNabb's the guy I wanted..

[afosomf]

Here's a couple of things..

1) Delhomme would be a place holder, not a solution. You guys are going to be on the Penny roller coaster for at least 2 more season, probably more..

2) Delhomme's awful game was mental, Chad's was physical. Chad was something like 1-10 with 3 INT's on any ball the traveled more then 10 yards in the air. Physically he couldn't beat the Ravens, didn't even belong on the same field with them as a matter of fact. While unlikely, mental issues can be fixed, physical ones can't.

3) Comparing stats like that is nonsensical. The Dolphins defense prevented the Ravens offense from scoring which meant Chad still had plenty of time to dink and dunk well into the 4th, and the Ravens were more then happy to allow him to do so. Arizona kept scoring forcing Delhomme to push the ball further down field. Look at the stats quoted above, had Chad attempted 20 passes down field he would've been picked 6 times or more.

That being said, I don't see a point in Delhomme and will maintain the same position I've had since 2006, go with a kid. It's a shame Philly made the playoffs, McNabb's the guy I wanted..

Ask Beans and SJ about Jake

He is ultimate Dow Jones!!! 2x worse than Favreeee

[crashingjet]

Here's a couple of things..

1) Delhomme would be a place holder, not a solution. You guys are going to be on the Penny roller coaster for at least 2 more season, probably more..

2) Delhomme's awful game was mental, Chad's was physical. Chad was something like 1-10 with 3 INT's on any ball the traveled more then 10 yards in the air. Physically he couldn't beat the Ravens, didn't even belong on the same field with them as a matter of fact. While unlikely, mental issues can be fixed, physical ones can't.

3) Comparing stats like that is nonsensical. The Dolphins defense prevented the Ravens offense from scoring which meant Chad still had plenty of time to dink and dunk well into the 4th, and the Ravens were more then happy to allow him to do so. Arizona kept scoring forcing Delhomme to push the ball further down field. Look at the stats quoted above, had Chad attempted 20 passes down field he would've been picked 6 times or more.

That being said, I don't see a point in Delhomme and will maintain the same position I've had since 2006, go with a kid. It's a shame Philly made the playoffs, McNabb's the guy I wanted..

Anything to put down Chad Pennington eh? Just can't accept the fact that he is a good QB?

I really don't see how throwing 5 int's is a mental mistake and throwing 4 int's is considered being hampered by physical limitations. Since you obviously didn't watch our game against the Ravens I'll fill you in, our O-line could not protect Chad from Baltimores D-line, they were getting pressure on Chad almost every play forcing him into bad decisions as well as our running game being shut down. I fail to see your point that if Chad could throw a ball 70- yards that we would have won the game. In order to throw a deep ball, you need good protection from the O-line, which Miami did not have in our playoff game.

[CTM]

Ask Beans and SJ about Jake

He is ultimate Dow Jones!!! 2x worse than Favreeee

What does that even mean? I don't want Delhomme here, nor do I want Pennington. Delhomme atleast has some real playoff success to point to. Prior to Saturday, he had a 95 QB rating, a 5-2 record and an 11/5 TD INT ratio. (In fact prior to his last visit to the conference championship game he was the best post season passer in history, his last 2 playoff games have been dreadful which is probably a regression to the mean)

[Sperm Edwards]

Anything to put down Chad Pennington eh? Just can't accept the fact that he is a good QB?

I really don't see how throwing 5 int's is a mental mistake and throwing 4 int's is considered being hampered by physical limitations. Since you obviously didn't watch our game against the Ravens I'll fill you in, our O-line could not protect Chad from Baltimores D-line, they were getting pressure on Chad almost every play forcing him into bad decisions as well as our running game being shut down. I fail to see your point that if Chad could throw a ball 70- yards that we would have won the game. In order to throw a deep ball, you need good protection from the O-line, which Miami did not have in our playoff game.

Difference:

Pennington is Miami's unquestioned starter. Miami fans would hope he hasn't lost it.

Delhomme would be here for camp competition after dumping Favre's salary. Jets fans would hope he loses the competition.

Whether those who want it are right or wrong, it's not the same. I don't think many (if any) want Delhomme in here to QB the team for 16 games.

[Sperm Edwards]

What does that even mean? I don't want Delhomme here, nor do I want Pennington. Delhomme atleast has some real playoff success to point to. Prior to Saturday, he had a 95 QB rating, a 5-2 record and an 11/5 TD INT ratio. (In fact prior to his last visit to the conference championship game he was the best post season passer in history, his last 2 playoff games have been dreadful which is probably a regression to the mean)

Bro, Delhomme sucks. He had Steve Smith and a ridiculous ground game all season.

The only advantage he would have over Pennington (had we kept him & our season ended similarly) is that there wouldn't be nearly the controversy should he lose a camp competition to the likes of Clemens or Ratliff.

[CTM]

Anything to put down Chad Pennington eh? Just can't accept the fact that he is a good QB?

I really don't see how throwing 5 int's is a mental mistake and throwing 4 int's is considered being hampered by physical limitations. Since you obviously didn't watch our game against the Ravens I'll fill you in, our O-line could not protect Chad from Baltimores D-line, they were getting pressure on Chad almost every play forcing him into bad decisions as well as our running game being shut down. I fail to see your point that if Chad could throw a ball 70- yards that we would have won the game. In order to throw a deep ball, you need good protection from the O-line, which Miami did not have in our playoff game.

I did watch the game numbnuts. The only one who can't accept something is you, who can't seem to deal with the fact that the majority of Jets fans do not want Chad back. This is a thread about Delhomme possibly to th Jets and you decided to pollute it with your sick and depraved Chad obsession.

You can throw the rest of the team under the bus as much as you want, but anyone watching objectively knows that he looked like a boy out there playing a man's game. Chad is a nice little QB who conservative play style and accuracy allows him to beat below average and average teams at a very good rate. Unfortunately for him, these teams aren't found in the postseason.

Finally, arm strength is more important on the football field as it relates to velocity rather then distance..

[Sperm Edwards]

Pennington = deadly-accurate choke artist with a weak arm

Delhomme = inaccurate choke artist with a weak arm

[CTM]

Bro, Delhomme sucks. He had Steve Smith and a ridiculous ground game all season.

The only advantage he would have over Pennington (had we kept him & our season ended similarly) is that there wouldn't be nearly the controversy should he lose a camp competition to the likes of Clemens or Ratliff.

Where did I say he didn't suck? I said he gives you more of a punchers chance in the playoffs.

[CTM]

Pennington = deadly-accurate choke artist with a weak arm

Delhomme = inaccurate choke artist with a weak arm

Again, heading into this years playoffs Delhomme had the best postseason QB rating of all 12 QB's, and was tied for the best W/L record with Big Ben and Warner.

Delhomme being a choke artist is a relatively new phenomenon