Lil Bit Special Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 After 15 years of coming up short in the voting, former Red Sox slugger Jim Rice, 55, finally learned Monday that he will be inducted into the baseball Hall of Fame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted January 12, 2009 Author Share Posted January 12, 2009 http://www.thebostonchannel.com/sports/18463265/detail.html?treets=bos&tml=bos_break&ts=T&tmi=bos_break_1_01070101122009 BOSTON -- After 15 years of coming up short in the voting, former Red Sox slugger Jim Rice, 55, finally learned Monday that he will be inducted into the baseball Hall of Fame.Photos: Rice Through The YearsIt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I'm not going to rehash the Jim Rice HOF fiasco, but the HOF slipped to a new low with his election today...if he were such a sure fire HOF bet to get in, it would have been years ago, not the last year of eligibility. Congrats to him, but there are bunch of guys on the bubble just like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 He is in todays players, Jermaine Dye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 He is in todays players, Jermaine Dye Yeah, the "feared hitter" label player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I'm not going to rehash the Jim Rice HOF fiasco, but the HOF slipped to a new low with his election today...if he were such a sure fire HOF bet to get in, it would have been years ago, not the last year of eligibility. Congrats to him, but there are bunch of guys on the bubble just like him. Like Phil Rizzutto? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 So, when does Albert Belle get in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 So, when does Albert Belle get in? As soon as he admits to corking, apologizes to the kids he chased on Halloween and apologizes to Fernando Vina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Jim Rice will never get into the Hall Of Fame. You heard it here first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Like Phil Rizzutto? Scotty, are you supposed to be making point by mentioning Rizzutto with me? He was voted in by the veteran's committee because his buddy Yogi was on it...he doesn't deserve it either. I stand by my rule. If you have to think about a player being worthy of admission to the HOF, he shouldn't get in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Jim Rice was one of the most, if not the most, dominant hitter of his time. You cannot compare guys in that era to players in todays game. It's a much different game today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Jim Rice was one of the most, if not the most, dominant hitter of his time. You cannot compare guys in that era to players in todays game. It's a much different game today. Did you ever see him play or are you just going by what you heard about him? I always considered Rice are very good player when I watched him...never a HOF type player. If he was so great he would have gone in on his first year of eligibility. When I think of all time great outfielders, I don't know of anyone that would put him on their team. Unless of course you happen to be a Red Sox fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Scotty, are you supposed to be making point by mentioning Rizzutto with me? He was voted in by the veteran's committee because his buddy Yogi was on it...he doesn't deserve it either. I stand by my rule. If you have to think about a player being worthy of admission to the HOF, he shouldn't get in. How many players actually fall into that category? Very few. I understand your point though. He is in todays players, Jermaine Dye Your depth of baseball knowledge is preceded by everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Did you ever see him play or are you just going by what you heard about him? I always considered Rice are very good player when I watched him...never a HOF type player. If he was so great he would have gone in on his first year of eligibility. When I think of all time great outfielders, I don't know of anyone that would put him on their team. Unless of course you happen to be a Red Sox fan. When Jim Rice retired I was 3, so suffice it to say I did not see him play. Those that played with him and against him say he should be in. I'll take their word for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidhuman Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Congrats to Jim Rice. All I have to say on this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 When Jim Rice retired I was 3, so suffice it to say I did not see him play. Those that played with him and against him say he should be in. I'll take their word for it. Yeah, but those people don't get to vote. You'd have to ask the writers why didn't they vote for him when he was first eligible. Listen, I'm not trying to piss you or anyone else off here. I can only go with players I remember playing. Tony Perez also falls into that bubble type player. I'm sure if you asked his teammates and those that played against him think he should be in as well...what else would you expect them to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Blyleven needs to be in a crying shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Yeah, but those people don't get to vote. You'd have to ask the writers why didn't they vote for him when he was first eligible. Listen, I'm not trying to piss you or anyone else off here. I can only go with players I remember playing. Tony Perez also falls into that bubble type player. I'm sure if you asked his teammates and those that played against him think he should be in as well...what else would you expect them to say? From everything I've read, Rice didn't get along with most writers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 From everything I've read, Rice didn't get along with most writers. Neither did Ted (big time), but he's a first ballot HOF'er and deservedly so. You know, we can argue this until the cows come home and you know what, I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change my mind...he's in and that's all that counts. But, if you ever get a chance, check out his stats away from Fenway...big difference. And don't you find it a coincidence that he's voted in the last year of eligibility? Where is Tim Raines when you need him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Neither did Ted (big time), but he's a first ballot HOF'er and deservedly so. You know, we can argue this until the cows come home and you know what, I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change my mind...he's in and that's all that counts. But, if you ever get a chance, check out his stats away from Fenway...big difference. And don't you find it a coincidence that he's voted in the last year of eligibility? Where is Tim Raines when you need him. I don't think Rice was ever an overwhleming figure to get in. Never a head and shoulders above the rest guy, but he's in and deservedly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Why stop with Rice getting in The Boston media might as well throw in Remy, Hobson. Scott. Lynn. Evans, Burleson and Bernie Carbo for sh1ts and giggles Rice getting in is a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I have no problem with this. He doesn't deserve it based on his numbers but put him in the Kirby Puckett wing and call it a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 Yeah, but those people don't get to vote. You'd have to ask the writers why didn't they vote for him when he was first eligible. The voters have changed through the years, due to retirements and new cities so the voters in his first few years are quite different than voters today. He was just lucky that some of the new voters went for him instead of who they replaced who was against him. You're talking just a couple of voters were the difference of him getting in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piney Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 it definitely helps tell people that maybe the hall of fame should be restructured..because guys like this are not hall of famers...they may be all time greats, or maybe they have had moments or even a few seasons of greatness.. but they are not hall of famers...to me this would be like voting in David Ortiz based solely on the fact that he was a dominant hitter for a few seasons.... it shouldn't work that way..time to make some differentiating categories between a guy like Henderson and a guy like Rice...more than just the "well, he was voted in on his last year...." tag line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergen Jet Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Rice in the HOF a joke? You guys are fricken clueless. 6 times he was in the top 5 in MVP voting and the media fricken hated him. He is an MVP winner. 6 times he was in the top 7 in batting average. 8 times he was among the league leaders in slugging percentage leading the league twice. 8 times he was among the league leaders in hits and led the league in that category. He topped 200 hits 4 times. He led the league in HRs 3 times and was consistently among the league leaders. He led the league in RBIs multiple times and was consistently among the league leaders. He was a triple crown waiting to happen and led the league in RBIs and HRs while finishing 3rd in batting average in the same year. He was consistently among the league leaders in total bases leading the league 4 times. He even had reasonable speed for a slugger and had led the league with triples (15) a number he reached twice. I watched him play in the late 70s until he retired and he was a phenomenal hitter. Compare him to his peers and not against today's bloated numbers. While not a first ballot HOF'r in my book it is a damn shame that he had to wait 15 years to get in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 He as a nice player for too short a period of time. The Hall is for the best of the best. Sadly that isn't really what it is about. Players like Puckett, Rizzutto and Rice simply don't belong in there. But it is what it is so Congrats to Jim on being selected to the Hall of Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergen Jet Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 He as a nice player for too short a period of time. The Hall is for the best of the best. Sadly that isn't really what it is about. Players like Puckett, Rizzutto and Rice simply don't belong in there. But it is what it is so Congrats to Jim on being selected to the Hall of Good. He was among the best offensive players for 12 years... you need a 10 year career to qualify for the HOF. Rice was a phenomenal hitter for over a decade. Certainly not too short for HOF consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 He as a nice player for too short a period of time. The Hall is for the best of the best. Sadly that isn't really what it is about. Players like Puckett, Rizzutto and Rice simply don't belong in there. But it is what it is so Congrats to Jim on being selected to the Hall of Good. neither does mattingly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I have no problem with this. He doesn't deserve it based on his numbers but put him in the Kirby Puckett wing and call it a day. Who is to say who "deserves" what? Do you "deserve" to be the owner of a web site? Of course you do. It is a rite of passage to have to corral a group of whimpering, pampered over sensitive mass group of sport know it alls. Everyone's criteria for the Hall is different. It does not make anyone more "right". Rice was elected as part of a voting process with many differnt members belonging to it. Is there gamesmanship involved? Absolutely. But to have to compare ballplayers of different eras and different positions is an impossible task. And to judge that process of being worthy or not is non-conclusive. All it does is greater fodder for the sport. And for the sport, that is a good thing. The NY indignation of a Jonejet and a Nightstalker only makes the Hall giggle and give fanny slaps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Who is to say who "deserves" what? Do you "deserve" to be the owner of a web site? Of course you do. It is a rite of passage to have to corral a group of whimpering, pampered over sensitive mass group of sport know it alls. Everyone's criteria for the Hall is different. It does not make anyone more "right". Rice was elected as part of a voting process with many differnt members belonging to it. Is there gamesmanship involved? Absolutely. But to have to compare ballplayers of different eras and different positions is an impossible task. And to judge that process of being worthy or not is non-conclusive. All it does is greater fodder for the sport. And for the sport, that is a good thing. The NY indignation of a Jonejet and a Nightstalker only makes the Hall giggle and give fanny slaps Like the criteria you mention for induction to the HOF, so is your perception of Yankees fans...hey, how are those Mets inductees doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Like the criteria you mention for induction to the HOF, so is your perception of Yankees fans...hey, how are those Mets inductees doing? See, you always have to make it Yankees, and then every one else is at a differnt level. What was teh last Yankee player to be elected, and when did he play? For a guy that honorably served, your feelings get hurt pretty easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 See, you always have to make it Yankees, and then every one else is at a differnt level. What was teh last Yankee player to be elected, and when did he play? For a guy that honorably served, your feelings get hurt pretty easily. No, just don't call me out in your posts. You thought you had me yesterday with the Rizzuto name drop and when I said he didn't belong in there, you were no where to be found. And what does serving in the military have to do with the price of beef today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 No, just don't call me out in your posts. You thought you had me yesterday with the Rizzuto name drop and when I said he didn't belong in there, you were no where to be found. And what does serving in the military have to do with the price of beef today? You often mention that you served, and it means A LOT in my estimation. THANK YOU! The Rizzutto mention was to merely signify and demonstrate there are any number of players that are "borderline". Responding to a post and commenting, I don't consider "calling out". It just appears that some Yankee fans here (some of the same ones that used to claim RedSox fans were more worried about them), have a case of Bostonitis. How the times have changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 neither does mattingly Which is accurate because he isn't in the hall of fame. Even though he was my favorite player I never believed he should be in the Hall either. He was great for a short time. that isn't enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Who is to say who "deserves" what? Do you "deserve" to be the owner of a web site? Of course you do. It is a rite of passage to have to corral a group of whimpering, pampered over sensitive mass group of sport know it alls. Everyone's criteria for the Hall is different. It does not make anyone more "right". Rice was elected as part of a voting process with many differnt members belonging to it. Is there gamesmanship involved? Absolutely. But to have to compare ballplayers of different eras and different positions is an impossible task. And to judge that process of being worthy or not is non-conclusive. All it does is greater fodder for the sport. And for the sport, that is a good thing. The NY indignation of a Jonejet and a Nightstalker only makes the Hall giggle and give fanny slaps I get to say who belongs in the Hall Of Fame. I am the smartest one here. I will remember your who deserves what point though when you are telling me the Yankees bought the World Series championship they are about to win. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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