Rex Ryan is not a lock

[Boynton Beach Jets]

I personally hope Rex Ryan gets the Jets job but it is not a slam dunk that he gets the job.

1) The Jets might not be so patient to wait especially if the Ravens win Sunday and some other team moves on Spags.

2) Ryan and the Rams are very interested in each other According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch Rex Ryan is still very interested in the Rams job, of course he could using either team as leverage.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/rams/story/7DCAC73209F9B1458625753D00140382?OpenDocument

But we do not know what unforeseen factor could sway the Jets, Rams or Ryan. My point is it far from complete as some make it that he will be with the Jets, there are many factors that could change things.

[4HCrew]

I think the bigger problem is that the Jets do not know who they want to hire.

[SoFlaJets]

Rex Ryan Jets into lead

BY RICH CIMINI

Wednesday, January 14th 2009, 1:26 AM

Jets willing to wait for Ravens' Ryan

The Jets' coaching search got off to a clumsy start, with owner Woody Johnson out of the country and with Bill Cowher in and out of contention, but the process finally is starting to crystallize.

If the Steelers beat the Ravens Sunday in the AFC Championship Game, the Jets will have their head coach in place by early next week, according to league sources. Barring an unexpected development, perhaps another team stealing him away, that coach will be Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan.

You think Jets officials might be waving Terrible Towels on Sunday night?

It has come down to Ryan, Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, Jets offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer and Cards assistant head coach Russ Grimm, sources said.

That the Jets haven't moved quickly on Spagnuolo or Schottenheimer, neither of whom is involved in the playoffs, is a blatant indication that Ryan is the preferred choice. Like Ryan, Grimm still is in the playoffs, but he's believed to be a fallback candidate.

The Jets still are hoping to re-interview Spagnuolo; the outcome of that meeting could influence their final decision. Curiously, it hasn't happened yet, sources said; the Giants' season ended on Sunday. Spagnuolo's first interview was Jan.3, during the Giants' bye week, but Johnson didn't participate because he was on vacation.

Once the Johnson-Spagnuolo sit-down occurs - if it occurs - the Jets will be able to make a final decision, sources said. They're still high on Spagnuolo, but he didn't blow them away in the first interview and they seem eager to do it again.

Johnson and GM Mike Tannenbaum met with Ryan for several hours Sunday in Baltimore, and Johnson came away impressed, according to a source. Using an interviewing technique he learned from former Ravens coach Brian Billick, Ryan gave a PowerPoint presentation that outlined his philosophy, practice scripts, etc.

The Jets also are smitten with Ryan's creative defensive game plans, a big factor in the Ravens' playoff run. One potential stumbling block with Ryan could be his choice for offensive coordinator. The Jets would like to retain Schottenheimer; it's unclear if Ryan is on board with that.

Thing is, the Jets could face some competition for Ryan. He's also a leading candidate for the Rams, who also are considering Spagnuolo (the interview is scheduled for tomorrow in St. Louis) and Vikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier.

Spagnuolo also is expected to be on the Chiefs' short list. Former Patriots VP Scott Pioli was hired Tuesday as the Chiefs' general manager and he's expected to fire Herm Edwards, creating another vacancy. The Lions and Raiders also are looking for coaches, so it has evolved into a game of musical chairs, with four teams vying for three or four hot candidates that are being considered by multiple teams.

The Jets aren't going to make a hasty decision.

"This is an important choice and the Jets are going to take the time necessary to make sure it's the right choice," a person close to the search said. "The team is seeking a dynamic, passionate leader that can create a winning atmosphere where players enjoy coming to work and are held accountable."

[Boynton Beach Jets]

I think the bigger problem is that the Jets do not know who they want to hire.

That could be true makes you wonder why Woody fired Mangini without a plan so quickly, was it impulsive?

But all indications the way things are playing out is that Rex Ryan could be the man, I hope the Jets are not left by themselves at the alter.

[faba]

I may be in the minority but the Jets seem to be doing their due diligence and have to wait on certain candidates since theya res till involved with their teams. What team replaces a coach one day after they let one go- unless Vince Lombardi is available no one.

[Sperm Edwards]

I think the bigger problem is that the Jets do not know who they want to hire.

The more this unfolds, it looks like the Jets wanted one of their top-4 all along. The rest of the "8 candidates" they interviewed was for show & to allow for anyone to surprise them. My feeling is that Tannenbaum's first-choice MAY be Schottenheimer or it may be there so BS doesn't get antsy every day until a new HC is hired. Either way, he at least realizes that would only have worked if BS's offense was much more impressive. At the same time, if his offense was that great, leave him as OC in the booth. But the reality of the situation is that hiring him was not realistic from the get-go and they should have realized that before firing Mangini. I think, secretly or publicly, that they did know that all along.

I think since before they fired Mangini, they had their minds set on Spags or Ryan all along. The only wild-card would have been if Cowher (or maybe Parcells) jumped up and said "I'm available to coach this year and want the job."

This delay may have been just to consider all options. So many wanted Parcells here. Well that can't be done until the Dolphins get sold. I'm sure the Jets will get similarly crucified here if/when we hire Ryan or Spags and then a week or two later Parcells opts out of his Dolphins deal.

Depending on the way the media is "covering" the process, the exact same events can look well thought out and equally like a chicken with its head cut off.

[4HCrew]

While I agree with you Sperm, I would think that the Jets would have been a little more aggressive with Spags. Get his 2nd interview done and make a decision on him. If he is not your guy, make your intentions more known to Ryan when possible. I would hate to see Spags get whisked off to KC, Ryan go to the Rams and the Jets 'settle' for Grimm.

[Boynton Beach Jets]

I may be in the minority but the Jets eem to be doing their due diligence and have to wait on certain candidates since theya res till involved with their teams. What team replaces a coach one day after they let one go- unless Vince Lombardi is available no one.

Or Bill Cowher:yawn:

[Jetfan13]

The Rams job is totally up in the air. They are for sale and no-one will want the job without some sort of security.

[glenn212]

That could be true makes you wonder why Woody fired Mangini without a plan so quickly, was it impulsive?

But all indications the way things are playing out is that Rex Ryan could be the man, I hope the Jets are not left by themselves at the alter.

Its kinda of looking that that isn't it..its a terrible way to run a pro team..They may not get spags or ryan..That would be Grimm!

[NIGHT STALKER]

I may be in the minority but the Jets seem to be doing their due diligence and have to wait on certain candidates since theya res till involved with their teams. What team replaces a coach one day after they let one go- unless Vince Lombardi is available no one.

The Browns almost did this year.

[faba]

The Browns almost did this year.

And we shall see if Eric Mangini has learned from his mistakes the first time around with a second chance- somehow I doubt he will be the next reincarnation of Vince Lombardi though.

[Jetfan13]

Its kinda of looking that that isn't it..its a terrible wat to run a pro team..They may not get spags or ryan..That would be Grimm!

Ha Ha, you made a funny...

We will get the coach we want, I have no doubt. It will be Ryan because Spags, now that he is out of the playoffs, will probably sign somewhere else...

[124]

We're still going to end up with Callahan or B.Schottenheimer.

Mark it down.

J-E-T-S!

[Verde]

The Jets could have God on the sidelines with a clipboard and still suck so why is everybody debating this? lol.

[Green DNA]

It just seems to be very clear that the Jets are waiting for Ryan. Spags would have been hired already if he was the man. As far as St. Louis vs the Jets theire is no contest. Despite the Jets holes, this team has the potential of a team than can be successful immediately and Ryan would be a hero. Coaches that take over cellar dwellers are rarely successful.

[CTM]

UNless they are waiting for the Tuna or Shanny, it looks more and more like Rex Ryan with each passing day. If they were going to hire Spags or Schotty, they'd do it asap so they can begin to assemble a staff...

[SoFlaJets]

The Jets could have God on the sidelines with a clipboard and still suck so why is everybody debating this? lol.

LOL Oh ****-that visual cracked me up...stone tablets, no headphones needed...hey Belichick wouldn't be the worst dressed HC in the league anymore either....sandals, long hair, beard, white robe...

[glenn212]

It just seems to be very clear that the Jets are waiting for Ryan. Spags would have been hired already if he was the man. As far as St. Louis vs the Jets theire is no contest. Despite the Jets holes, this team has the potential of a team than can be successful immediately and Ryan would be a hero. Coaches that take over cellar dwellers are rarely successful.

The Jets is the biggest high risk job out there. If the new coach doesn't win ten games or better he will have **** raining down on him from the fans and press..at St Loius or KC they win 6-9 games there golden..Jets have a totally unsettled QB situation..Does the expected win total change if Ratliff or Clemens are at the helm...probably not..Lets not forget the owner is not trustworthy stating Mangini will be back regardless..

Lets not fool ourselves into thinking this is a dream job.What it is..is a step up for some coodinator and a big payday..

[Green DNA]

The Jets is the biggest high risk job out there. If the new coach doesn't win ten games or better he will have **** raining down on him from the fans and press..at St Loius or KC they win 6-9 games there golden..Jets have a totally unsettled QB situation..Does the expected win total change if Ratliff or Clemens are at the helm...probably not..Lets not forget the owner is not trustworthy stating Mangini will be back regardless..

Lets not fool ourselves into thinking this is a dream job.What it is..is a step up for some coodinator and a big payday..

Any self confident coach would rather take over a team that has some significant talent than a team that in all likeliehood will continue to suck for years. If they would rather take the job with less pressure and would be happy and proud to build a middle of the road team then that's not the guy we want.

[faba]

Any self confident coach would rather take over a team that has some significant talent than a team that in all likeliehood will continue to suck for years. If they would rather take the job with less pressure and would be happy and proud to build a middle of the road team then that's not the guy we want.

Rex Ryan does not seem to have the personality of a laid back guy - he will need thick skin to work with the media in our area. If you succeed in New York/New Jersey area there is nothing better for someone with ambition in life.

[Bleedin Green]

Any self confident coach would rather take over a team that has some significant talent than a team that in all likeliehood will continue to suck for years. If they would rather take the job with less pressure and would be happy and proud to build a middle of the road team then that's not the guy we want.

You nailed it and I've been saying the same all along. NFL coaches are competitive guys. In that kind of business, what kind of chump takes the job that is easier to not look bad rather than the one with a much better chance for success? And if that kind of coach is out there, I can guarantee you they don't have the mentality to be a successful head coach in the NFL.

[DMaynard]

I think Mr. T is no longer just an "accountant" and Woody is no longer a baby powder and aspirin guy. But ...

If the deal with Ryan falls apart because they try to force their opinion of who the OC should be (Schotty) instead of letting a real football guy (Ryan) make that decision for himself, I am done with this team.

[Bleedin Green]

I think Mr. T is no longer just an "accountant" and Woody is no longer a baby powder and aspirin guy. But ...

If the deal with Ryan falls apart because they try to force their opinion of who the OC should be (Schotty) instead of letting a real football guy (Ryan) make that decision for himself, I am done with this team.

Say what you want, but we all know that's a load of crap. Being a fan of this team, we all know you've already put up with a lot worse crap than that already and you're still here.

[jetsman]

That could be true makes you wonder why Woody fired Mangini without a plan so quickly, was it impulsive?

But all indications the way things are playing out is that Rex Ryan could be the man, I hope the Jets are not left by themselves at the alter.

I am leaning towards that after thinking the whole thing through, with all of the talk that has come out.

this is what i think may have happened

after the loss to miami , woody approaches eric and starts on his case about the performance of the team, eric hits him with the " you are the one who wanted Brett " line. Woody gets enraged and an argument ensues and woody tells him to pack up his desk.

[DMaynard]

Say what you want, but we all know that's a load of crap. Being a fan of this team, we all know you've already put up with a lot worse crap than that already and you're still here.

Not necessarily. I have only invested 40+ years in this team. I can start over.

[JMJ]

That could be true makes you wonder why Woody fired Mangini without a plan so quickly, was it impulsive?

But all indications the way things are playing out is that Rex Ryan could be the man, I hope the Jets are not left by themselves at the alter.

My lord! When will people understand that one has absolutely nothing to do with the other? Mangini deserved to be fired irregardless to anything that happens moving forward due to his own failures. Period!

If you have a girlfriend, and she cheats on you with another man, would you break up with her even if you didn't already have another girl lined up to immediately begin a relationship with? Of course you would because the break up is justified due to her actions.

Whether you meet another woman who sweeps you off your feet in a matter of a few days or it takes a few months (or years) before you decide who your next partner would be, it does not make your decision to break up with the girl who did not deserve your loyalty anymore wrong or impulsive.

Capeesh?

[JMJ]

I am leaning towards that after thinking the whole thing through, with all of the talk that has come out.

this is what i think may have happened

after the loss to miami , woody approaches eric and starts on his case about the performance of the team, eric hits him with the " you are the one who wanted Brett " line. Woody gets enraged and an argument ensues and woody tells him to pack up his desk.

Duh.

Read above.

[NIGHT STALKER]

My lord! When will people understand that one has absolutely nothing to do with the other? Mangini deserved to be fired irregardless to anything that happens moving forward due to his own failures. Period!

If you have a girlfriend, and she cheats on you with another man, would you break up with her even if you didn't already have another girl lined up to immediately begin a relationship with? Of course you would because the break up is justified due to her actions.

Whether you meet another woman who sweeps you off your feet in a matter of a few days or it takes a few months (or years) before you decide who your next partner would be, it does not make your decision to break up with the girl who did not deserve your loyalty anymore wrong or impulsive.

Capeesh?

That's your opinion and you could be right...so could Boynton or anyone for that matter. How many HC's do know get canned having won more than they lost 2 out of 3 seasons and a playoff appearance? Especially with a team that is a joke of a franchise through the years.

[slats]

Once the Johnson-Spagnuolo sit-down occurs - if it occurs - the Jets will be able to make a final decision, sources said. They're still high on Spagnuolo, but he didn't blow them away in the first interview and they seem eager to do it again.

Presumably, Spags had other things on his mind when he interviewed. Unlike Ryan, he didn't have the pleasure of meeting with Woody, either. It's smart for them to have a second interview with the jints season over - just to see if they missed something the first time. Was Ryan that much better with substance?

Using an interviewing technique he learned from former Ravens coach Brian Billick, Ryan gave a PowerPoint presentation that outlined his philosophy, practice scripts, etc.

Or did he blow them away with a fancy presentation?

One potential stumbling block with Ryan could be his choice for offensive coordinator. The Jets would like to retain Schottenheimer; it's unclear if Ryan is on board with that.

One potential advantage of having a coordinator stuffed down your throat is that it gives you a convenient someone to throw under the bus while you buy yourself more time. Herm did it with his first two coordinators, and Tannenbaum likewise did it with Mangini.

I'd want it to be the coach's choice, but if he doesn't have a clearly better candidate lined up it could be in his best interest to hold onto BS.

[NIGHT STALKER]

Presumably, Spags had other things on his mind when he interviewed. Unlike Ryan, he didn't have the pleasure of meeting with Woody, either. It's smart for them to have a second interview with the jints season over - just to see if they missed something the first time. Was Ryan that much better with substance?

Or did he blow them away with a fancy presentation?

One potential advantage of having a coordinator stuffed down your throat is that it gives you a convenient someone to throw under the bus while you buy yourself more time. Herm did it with his first two coordinators, and Tannenbaum likewise did it with Mangini.

I'd want it to be the coach's choice, but if he doesn't have a clearly better candidate lined up it could be in his best interest to hold onto BS.

Blow them away? Where does that come from anyway? I can't imagine Eric Mangini "blowing them away" in an interview and he's done it twice to the Jets and Browns in four years.

[SMC]

That's your opinion and you could be right...so could Boynton or anyone for that matter. How many HC's do know get canned having won more than they lost 2 out of 3 seasons and a playoff appearance? Especially with a team that is a joke of a franchise through the years.

Easy, when they have a career losing record and the team collapses losing 4 of 5 games (should have been 5 out of 5) and doesn't make the playoffs.

People throw out there the 2 out of 3 winning seasons, but guess what? That 2006 looks like the aberration, not 2007.

Since the end of the 2006 season, Mangini is 13-19. What's more glaring is Mangini's streaks over that span:

1-8

3-4

1-2

7-1

1-4

In a 32 game span, Mangini has had 1 good 8 game streak, in the other 24 games he is 6-18.

[glenn212]

You nailed it and I've been saying the same all along. NFL coaches are competitive guys. In that kind of business, what kind of chump takes the job that is easier to not look bad rather than the one with a much better chance for success? And if that kind of coach is out there, I can guarantee you they don't have the mentality to be a successful head coach in the NFL.

WHAT !!! This is the NFL..its big business..decisions are calculated very carefully..not the macho bulls**t your talking about...Its not personal ...its business

[JMJ]

WHAT !!! This is the NFL..its big business..decisions are calculated very carefully..not the macho bulls**t your talking about...Its not personal ...its business

Exactly. So coaches with choices go places where they think they have the best chance to win since ultimately, winning is what retains their job.

The coaches that go to teams in the current state of the Rams (2-14) and the Chiefs (2-14) are coaches who that job right there is probably their only chance at a head coaching job at all this year.

A guy like Spags would be silly to go to a no-talent having team (especially on defense which is his strong point) like the Rams or Chiefs.

Bill Cowher himself on Boomer and Carton last week called the Jets job the most appealing to any head coaching candidates on the market right now.

[NIGHT STALKER]

Easy, when they have a career losing record and the team collapses losing 4 of 5 games (should have been 5 out of 5) and doesn't make the playoffs.

People throw out there the 2 out of 3 winning seasons, but guess what? That 2006 looks like the aberration, not 2007.

Since the end of the 2006 season, Mangini is 13-19. What's more glaring is Mangini's streaks over that span:

1-8

3-4

1-2

7-1

1-4

In a 32 game span, Mangini has had 1 good 8 game streak, in the other 24 games he is 6-18.

I understand that. It's just that you would think a team that is not rich in seasons where they have won more games than they have lost would have more rope.

As fans, we hang our coaches if we don't like the way they dress...I just think there is more to the story that we perhaps will never know. then the guy goes out and gets another gig in about a weeks time.