NIGHT STALKER Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Too bad this kid won't be there when we pick...would love to have him. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/ncaa/01/13/crabtree.ap/index.html http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=64693 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 HOLY CRAP this is only 2 seasons worth of stats 231 3,127 13.5 41 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Too bad this kid won't be there when we pick...would love to have him. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/ncaa/01/13/crabtree.ap/index.html http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=64693 I agree, this kid looks like a game breaker. Too bad....too bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I agree, this kid looks like a game breaker. Too bad....too bad He'll be one of the top-3 WR's in the league after 2 years I can easily see him entering the elite this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 He'll be one of the top-3 WR's in the league after 2 years I can easily see him entering the elite this season. then again, no position has been riskier and fallen so out of favor than the WR position has. It used to be teams were fine with picking one top 10...not too much anymore, after the Detroit Lions have proven...even Calvin was a questionable pick last year dropping passes the way he was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 HOLY CRAP this is only 2 seasons worth of stats 231 3,127 13.5 41 I'm a huge fan of Crabtree, but you have to take any Tech player's stats with a grain of salt...Raiders play a spread offense and hardly ever run the ball, their QB's annually through for 4-5000 yards and their WR's have high #'s. Crabtree's different in the fact that he's finally a player on that offense who has a NFL skill-set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I'm a huge fan of Crabtree, but you have to take any Tech player's stats with a grain of salt...Raiders play a spread offense and hardly ever run the ball, their QB's annually through for 4-5000 yards and their WR's have high #'s. Crabtree's different in the fact that he's finally a player on that offense who has a NFL skill-set. yea I've never seen him play RJF...I don't watch college football and every year at this time I have to start learning about the kids coming out from the boards and the videos and stuff like that. For the most part I hate the college game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 then again, no position has been riskier and fallen so out of favor than the WR position has. It used to be teams were fine with picking one top 10...not too much anymore, after the Detroit Lions have proven...even Calvin was a questionable pick last year dropping passes the way he was No, this kid is special, like Calvin is. I see him making an immediate impact. If you saw TT games this year, you know the upside he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 yea I've never seen him play RJF...I don't watch college football and every year at this time I have to start learning about the kids coming out from the boards and the videos and stuff like that. For the most part I hate the college game Crabtree's a very good, not great prospect. There's a line of thinking amongst a ton of scouts that they'd rather stay away from him considering the fact that he's coming from that program...which hasn't produced any top prospects basically ever (Sammy Morris and Manny Ramirez are pretty much the best they've produced in recent years). The others see him as a possession reciever in the mold of Keyshawn...big with great hands and reliable in the red zone. Personally I think he's going to be great, but it's going to be a rough transition for him considering he's used to having plays designed consistently to get him isolated one on one, which isn't going to happen immediately in the pros...in other words, he's going to have to get used to making plays for himself rather than having them made for him. Fwiw, I can't see Al Davis passing on him if he's there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 No, this kid is special, like Calvin is. I see him making an immediate impact. If you saw TT games this year, you know the upside he has. oh wait a minute I heard of this kid...he had a very prolific QB too didn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 We can get the next best thing: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 No, this kid is special, like Calvin is. I see him making an immediate impact. If you saw TT games this year, you know the upside he has. Apples and oranges, can't say that's even remotely true. Johnson was really a once in a decade prospect by every measurable and maybe the highest graded WR prospect ever, Crabtree is not. Very good, but his grade won't even be close to Johnson's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 No, this kid is special, like Calvin is. I see him making an immediate impact. If you saw TT games this year, you know the upside he has. I wouldn't crown him just yet, like other have said he was in a spread offense. Calvin wasn't and still got his numbers and made ridiculous catches. Lets just say Michael was a great college WR who has potential to be a great pro WR. Who knows really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 oh wait a minute I heard of this kid...he had a very prolific QB too didn't he? Every Tech QB is prolific. Though Harrell's certainly the best they've had. Anyone remember Sonny Cumble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Crabtree's a very good, not great prospect. There's a line of thinking amongst a ton of scouts that they'd rather stay away from him considering the fact that he's coming from that program...which hasn't produced any top prospects basically ever (Sammy Morris and Manny Ramirez are pretty much the best they've produced in recent years). The others see him as a possession reciever in the mold of Keyshawn...big with great hands and reliable in the red zone. Personally I think he's going to be great, but it's going to be a rough transition for him considering he's used to having plays designed consistently to get him isolated one on one, which isn't going to happen immediately in the pros...in other words, he's going to have to get used to making plays for himself rather than having them made for him. Fwiw, I can't see Al Davis passing on him if he's there... thanks RJF....one thing I kind of like about what's going on with the Jets is I have NO IDEA about what's gonna happen... Now we KNOW if it were still Mangini, every pick would be very "safe' a real choirboy and all-I'm kinda with the likes of Verde who hopes we get a few dirty scumbag mean assed guys on our team for a change...get me a Ray Lewis, a Bryan Cox, a Wilfat, a friggin T.O. somebody who wants to win real bad someone who will jab another guy in the eye with his thumb to do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 thanks RJF....one thing I kind of like about what's going on with the Jets is I have NO IDEA about what's gonna happen... Now we KNOW if it were still Mangini, every pick would be very "safe' a real choirboy and all-I'm kinda with the likes of Verde who hopes we get a few dirty scumbag mean assed guys on our team for a change...get me a Ray Lewis, a Bryan Cox, a Wilfat, a friggin T.O. somebody who wants to win real bad someone who will jab another guy in the eye with his thumb to do it Depends, there's about 5-6 guys at this point who you can conclude simply by process of elimination and projected grades, though they're all at different positions. A big factor is going to be just how much faith Spags or Ryan has that Gholston can develop into whatever type of player that they'd want, especially if it's Ryan. Though as you pointed out, Mangini being gone opens up the door for a ton of prospects throughout every round that they normally wouldn't even be considering (i.e. Raji, Davis...etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Depends, there's about 5-6 guys at this point who you can conclude simply by process of elimination and projected grades, though they're all at different positions. A big factor is going to be just how much faith Spags or Ryan has that Gholston can develop into whatever type of player that they'd want, especially if it's Ryan. Though as you pointed out, Mangini being gone opens up the door for a ton of prospects throughout every round that they normally wouldn't even be considering (i.e. Raji, Davis...etc.). I don't only mean draft picks bro...I'd love to see Ray Lewis in green and white this season....he's a FA... Gholston-one more failing of Mangini with his bullying of rookies...if they did so much due diligence on him and knowing he's FROM OSU where they couldn't really expect much from him because of the rules then they shouldn't have drafted him in the first place- It still pisses me off and I do NOT blame the kid...I blame the coaching staff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I don't only mean draft picks bro...I'd love to see Ray Lewis in green and white this season....he's a FA... Gholston-one more failing of Mangini with his bullying of rookies...if they did so much due diligence on him and knowing he's FROM OSU where they couldn't really expect much from him because of the rules then they shouldn't have drafted him in the first place- It still pisses me off and I do NOT blame the kid...I blame the coaching staff Lewis, Suggs, and Brown are going to get resigned. McCallister's getting cut and Gregg & Scott are going to walk, but Lewis is going to be a Raven. Baltimore's going to make the cap room for it, they've been negotiating and planning for it for a while now. Gholston has a much better chance under Ryan to succeed than anyone else. Mangini always stressed a read & react scheme and Gholston isn't the sharpest tool in the shed...Ryan's system is basically quickness and aggression, which is the main reason that Gholston had such a high grade in the first place. I still don't get why they tried forcing the kid into a style of play that anyone with a brain realized he couldn't play from day 1. I understood the logic for the pick, but his use and coaching of him was a clear example of just how stubborn Mangini was in his ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gang_green03 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Am I the only one that's not in love with this kid? I see a lot of Keyshawn in him, which isn't a bad thing, but not this game-changing WR. Or maybe a better comparison would be a poor man's Larry Fitzgerald. I'd have no problems with him if he somehow fell to us, but I'd prefer to add more speed to our receiving core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Am I the only one that's not in love with this kid? I see a lot of Keyshawn in him, which isn't a bad thing, but not this game-changing WR. Or maybe a better comparison would be a poor man's Larry Fitzgerald. I'd have no problems with him if he somehow fell to us, but I'd prefer to add more speed to our receiving core. No, a good amount of scouts prefer to stay away from offensive Tech prospects completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I don't only mean draft picks bro...I'd love to see Ray Lewis in green and white this season....he's a FA... Gholston-one more failing of Mangini with his bullying of rookies...if they did so much due diligence on him and knowing he's FROM OSU where they couldn't really expect much from him because of the rules then they shouldn't have drafted him in the first place- It still pisses me off and I do NOT blame the kid...I blame the coaching staff If the Jets get Ryan, let him get a crack @ VG. I can't call the kid a bust just yet, I think Ryan will help him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Apples and oranges, can't say that's even remotely true. Johnson was really a once in a decade prospect by every measurable and maybe the highest graded WR prospect ever, Crabtree is not. Very good, but his grade won't even be close to Johnson's. Agree completely. He's not even close to the physical speciman Johnson was. I think he's good, but I honestly wouldn't use a top 5 pick on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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