124 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3827402 You Have No Idea Marvin Harrison has always let his hands do the talking. Turns out, they've been saying things no one expected to hear. by Shaun Assael and Peter Keating (additional reporting by Tim Bella) As dusk falls in North Philly, armies of hoodies appear on West Thompson Street, their faces framed by shadows. This part of town hasn't been remade by real estate speculators. Vacant lots are strewn with crumbling bricks. A speakeasy runs out of a basement, with dollar drinks and hookers. Sidewalk dice games go on all night. Dwight Dixon, a 5'11", 280-pound ex-convict with a big mouth, is a magnet for the kind of trouble that keeps so many buildings boarded up around here. On April 29, 2008, he was standing outside a take-out joint on the corner of West Thompson and North 25th streets when it found him again. Two weeks earlier, at a local bar called Playmakers, he'd gotten into a beef with a man he'd known since childhood. Now here that man was, right beside Dixon, wanting to collect an apology. Within seconds, the two were jawing, then trading kicks and punches. "I was getting my ass kicked," Dixon says. Even after onlookers broke up the brawl, Dixon was hot. He jumped into his Toyota truck and jammed it into reverse, driving the wrong way up West Thompson as he shouted, "You just think you can go 'round doing what you want to people?" After Dixon stopped his truck in front of Chuckie's Garage to argue further with the man, a shot rang out and a bullet ripped through his hand as it grasped the steering wheel. "Bullets were flying past my head, all over the car," Dixon says. One shattered his rear window. Another went through his jeans, just missing his leg. Others sailed down the street, shattering the windows of a Mercury sedan with a 2-year-old boy and his father inside. A bystander was struck in the back. Dixon sped away on blown-out tires. In the rearview, he says, he saw the man who he claims shot him, Marvin Harrison, giving chase, running every bit as hard as you'd figure a future Pro Football Hall of Famer could run. We expect our heroes to let us in, to show us more than their game faces. But over the course of Marvin Harrison's 13 years in the NFL, the Colts receiver has built an All-Pro career behind a firewall of privacy. Quiet precision defines his every move. On the field, he starts each route identically, forcing defenders to guess where he's headed. In the locker room, he sits facing his tidy booth, away from the media and teammates. At home, he keeps each touchdown ball he's ever caught in its own box. On the rare occasions when Harrison offers a private thought to the public, he quickly clams up. He once told a Philadelphia Inquirer reporter that he loved Anita Baker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Its amazing how perception can cause people to judge. People wanted to blame Sean Taylor for his own murder, yet scumbags like this get the benefit of the doubt becuase they're "quiet" and dont spike the ball when they score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnjet Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Marvin is a real scumbag. Thats why he is so quiet. He tries to hide it when he is in the lime light. But he has always been. He will get a cap in his ass one of these days, And again, hopefully no one says a thing about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 So many professional athletes make money and move out of the neighborhood forever. Harrison instead invests in the place he grew up in, tries to make it more liveable, employs his friends, neighbors and family, gives people there good things-businesses, restaurants, a club- that otherwise wouldn't be there. He's not asking anyone for anything, just minding his business and making his life's way. And since he doesn't indulge the media he's painted here as a bad guy. We had a coach here whow as a complete incompetent, but because he did everything he could to indulge the media, he still is right now employed as the HC of the Chiefs. Recall-access equals good coverage. Think Kirby Puckett, a guy who was a wife-beating sick bastard, but because he was swell pals with Bob Costas(who named his son after him) we didn't hear about that stuff until almost the end of his life. Heck, he may be in the HoF because he was so media-friendly. Harrison has money, and not suprisingly carries a licensed handgun.If you own any kind of cash business in a major city, that's a given. He doesn't go looking for trouble or bother anyone. They point to 2 incidents- the ballboy thing, which sounds like he was annoyed right before a playoff game. And a few greenflies breaking his chops about autographs. The first story is disturbing, but the 2nd sounds like whiny crap from a few jerkoff autograph hounds. ANd a ne'er do well idiot drudealing POS hassles him, engages in a dumbass feud with him cause him trouble. Sounds to me as if Harrison was acting in self-defense, and if he shot this guy dead it would be a public service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnjet Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 So many professional athletes make money and move out of the neighborhood forever. Harrison instead invests in the place he grew up in, tries to make it more liveable, employs his friends, neighbors and family, gives people there good things-businesses, restaurants, a club- that otherwise wouldn't be there. He's not asking anyone for anything, just minding his business and making his life's way. And since he doesn't indulge the media he's painted here as a bad guy. We had a coach here whow as a complete incompetent, but because he did everything he could to indulge the media, he still is right now employed as the HC of the Chiefs. Recall-access equals good coverage. Think Kirby Puckett, a guy who was a wife-beating sick bastard, but because he was swell pals with Bob Costas(who named his son after him) we didn't hear about that stuff until almost the end of his life. Heck, he may be in the HoF because he was so media-friendly. Harrison has money, and not suprisingly carries a licensed handgun.If you own any kind of cash business in a major city, that's a given. He doesn't go looking for trouble or bother anyone. They point to 2 incidents- the ballboy thing, which sounds like he was annoyed right before a playoff game. And a few greenflies breaking his chops about autographs. The first story is disturbing, but the 2nd sounds like whiny crap from a few jerkoff autograph hounds. ANd a ne'er do well idiot drudealing POS hassles him, engages in a dumbass feud with him cause him trouble. Sounds to me as if Harrison was acting in self-defense, and if he shot this guy dead it would be a public service. Did you even read the article, or any others about Harrison and his hood? He isn't investing in his area. He is keeping it exactly the same as it always has been. A community developer whose job it is, is to actually help these neighborhoods get better can't even get in touch with the guy. These people have access to money, and free money at that, to help the neighborhood, and he isn't even interested. He just wants to keep it as his own little thug turd zone. And yeah, you should always beat up people who ask for autographs. The guy is a scumbag and always has been. Just ask people who went to Syracuse with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Sounds like all hearsay to me, not saying it isn't possible. However you need more than that to convict IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Did you even read the article, or any others about Harrison and his hood? He isn't investing in his area. He is keeping it exactly the same as it always has been. A community developer whose job it is, is to actually help these neighborhoods get better can't even get in touch with the guy. These people have access to money, and free money at that, to help the neighborhood, and he isn't even interested. He just wants to keep it as his own little thug turd zone. Oh, a "community developer" doesn't like Marvin Harrison's businesses. So Marvin Harrison should turn over his capital to some namby pamby douchebag with letterhead and a bullhorn for what that guy thinks is "good for the community". Who appointed a "community developers" God Almighty? There's nothing in the story that says he's building a "thug turd" zone.Even indicates he fixes up the properties personally. A soul food restaurant, an Italian restaurant, and a nice club are necessarily for "thugs"?Because they are in the 'hood? That could be described as almost a racist attitude; is a black guy like Marvin Harrison incapable of buildng good things in his neighborhood without the help of self-appointed "community devevelopers"? Are there such things in your town or neightborhood? Are they by definition strictly "thug" zones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnjet Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Oh, a "community developer" doesn't like Marvin Harrison's businesses. So Marvin Harrison should turn over his capital to some namby pamby douchebag with letterhead and a bullhorn for what that guy thinks is "good for the community". Who appointed a "community developers" God Almighty? There's nothing in the story that says he's building a "thug turd" zone.Even indicates he fixes up the properties personally. A soul food restaurant, an Italian restaurant, and a nice club are necessarily for "thugs"?Because they are in the 'hood? That could be described as almost a racist attitude; is a black guy like Marvin Harrison incapable of buildng good things in his neighborhood without the help of self-appointed "community devevelopers"? Are there such things in your town or neightborhood? Are they by definition strictly "thug" zones? I don't think you even know what a community developer is. It isn't necessarily anyone who makes a profit. Many of them are non profit organizations and government entities. No one is asking him to sell his properties to them. Community developers have access to FREE money, such as CDBG funds, or Main Street grants or one of many many other grant programs. This is free money, that goes to fix up the buildings, neighborhoods, etc. The owners keep total control of their properties. Have you ever been to the area where Marvin Harrison is from. It is a hood. Doesn't mean there are black people there. There are plenty of hoods where black people are in a major minority. And, sorry, but harrison is the douchebag. By the way, only a douchebag would even bring up the idea that it has anything to do with race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSorDIE Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Now I am not vouching for Harrison. However when you look at society arent there always a difference between your work image and your neighborhood image. I know growing up in the city you are taught to operate and survive on the corner as well as in the boardroom. A talent that seems to be lost for kids under 25. So we know how to "ACT" at work etc. and when to "dumb down when we are with the boys. We cant fault Harrison if he portrays his "business image in Indy and his Hood image in Philly. What we could do is fault his breaking any laws if he has. Just like you dont expect me to be giving fist pump to the CEO of my company and saying in my heavy Trini accent (which I do have around my family) "aye boy wha de scene" dont expect Harrison to be acting like he would be on the corner to the press. Too many times we wished players acted right and be role models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 I don't think you even know what a community developer is. It isn't necessarily anyone who makes a profit. Many of them are non profit organizations and government entities. No one is asking him to sell his properties to them. Community developers have access to FREE money, such as CDBG funds, or Main Street grants or one of many many other grant programs. This is free money, that goes to fix up the buildings, neighborhoods, etc. The owners keep total control of their properties. Have you ever been to the area where Marvin Harrison is from. It is a hood. Doesn't mean there are black people there. There are plenty of hoods where black people are in a major minority. And, sorry, but harrison is the douchebag. By the way, only a douchebag would even bring up the idea that it has anything to do with race. So a businessman like Harrison should be forced to business with a "community developer" because...why exactly? A private citizen is under no obligation to do so, and other than the "community developer" caterwauling, what else it there?And if Harrison did do business with such groups, there would invariably be strings attached. What is it about Harrison building restaurants and a club that so necessasrily thuggish? Can you explain that? Is there something inherit in him or in such businesses that make it so? As to legally carrying a gun, even in as difficult place to get a carry permit as NYC or Philadelphia, someone that regularly carries cash for businesses exacly like Harrison's usually get approved for carry permits. Harrison has never been convicted nor charged with any crime. Even in this story he spoke to the police voluntrarily and handed over the guns in question. The DA concedes they couldn't bring charges for lack of evidence. Having a few "professional" expereinces , I can tell you that self-defense cases are very difficult to prove, and most penal codes give defendants who proffer self-defense claims broad protections for their actions. "Access to FREE money"-gee wonder where that FREE money comes from. Taxpayers, perhaps? This is how we got in the current mess, believing there really is a free lunch; there isn't. Harrison must really be a "scumbag" because he doesn't want to get involved with "commmunity developers". How awful! A businessman who wants to be left alone and not told what to do by some self-appointed busybody beholden to a government bureaucratic agency.There's this country that, while it may no longer be taught in schools, had a revolution over such things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnjet Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 So a businessman like Harrison should be forced to business with a "community developer" because...why exactly? A private citizen is under no obligation to do so, and other than the "community developer" caterwauling, what else it there?And if Harrison did do business with such groups, there would invariably be strings attached. What is it about Harrison building restaurants and a club that so necessasrily thuggish? Can you explain that? Is there something inherit in him or in such businesses that make it so? As to legally carrying a gun, even in as difficult place to get a carry permit as NYC or Philadelphia, someone that regularly carries cash for businesses exacly like Harrison's usually get approved for carry permits. Harrison has never been convicted nor charged with any crime. Even in this story he spoke to the police voluntrarily and handed over the guns in question. The DA concedes they couldn't bring charges for lack of evidence. Having a few "professional" expereinces , I can tell you that self-defense cases are very difficult to prove, and most penal codes give defendants who proffer self-defense claims broad protections for their actions. "Access to FREE money"-gee wonder where that FREE money comes from. Taxpayers, perhaps? This is how we got in the current mess, believing there really is a free lunch; there isn't. Harrison must really be a "scumbag" because he doesn't want to get involved with "commmunity developers". How awful! A businessman who wants to be left alone and not told what to do by some self-appointed busybody beholden to a government bureaucratic agency.There's this country that, while it may no longer be taught in schools, had a revolution over such things... Again, get your facts straight. He didn't open anything. He bought things that were already there and is keeping them as they have always been, a **** hole. No one is saying he has to take the money, but it is there for the taking if he was really interested in cleaning things up and making it a decent place to be, which it is not. And no, there isn't alot of strings attached with those programs, other than you have to keep them in decent condition for something like 7 years. If he was interested in making it a nice place to be, again that would be no problem at all. You should probably research the programs if you are going to make such broad accusations about them. And, again, they are not the reason we are in such a situation as we are now. These programs are made of nothing compared to many others, such as Welfare, which is the real problem. And these ones actually help out neighborhoods in a real way. Also, you don't have to be convicted of anything to be a douche. You should know that. Maybe if he tried to clean up the area, there wouldn't be a necessity to carry a gun. I dunno about you, but i know plenty of business owners who bring cash to and from banks, and they don't need a gun to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Again, get your facts straight. He didn't open anything. He bought things that were already there and is keeping them as they have always been, a **** hole. No one is saying he has to take the money, but it is there for the taking if he was really interested in cleaning things up and making it a decent place to be, which it is not. And no, there isn't alot of strings attached with those programs, other than you have to keep them in decent condition for something like 7 years. If he was interested in making it a nice place to be, again that would be no problem at all. Also, you don't have to be convicted of anything to be a douche. You should know that. Who is defining"nice"-a reporter and his sources, or the guy who owns them and invested his earnings there, Harrison? Who says keeping things the way they are is a bad thing? There's nothing that says he didn't clean it up, in fact it mentions he fixes up his properties himself. Whether things are better or worse is really based on the opinion of the author and community developer. Harrison refused to speak to the author and declined to do business with Mr. CashMoneyBrother. Not a lot ot strings attached;but there still are strings. Harrison gets villfied by a guy who refused to do business with whot alks to said reporter. Is it a surprise in those circumstances that Harrison gets painted as a bad guy? I'm an a-hole, I guess, because I don't take a slanted reporter's nonsense as gospel truth, that I consider the possibility Harrison is being painted with a black hat because he didn't make this reporter's job easier. You,sir,are a naive child. I hope none fo you and yours ever have the media crawl up you posterior with a microscope. If they do, you had better be an altar boy on your way from the soup kitchen to a novena 24/7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnjet Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Who is defining"nice"-a reporter and hid sources, or the guy who owns them and invested his earnings there, Harrison? Who says keeping things the way they are is a bad thing? There's nothing that says he didn't clean it up, in fact it mentions he fixes up his properties himself. Whether things are better or worse is really based on the opinion of the author and community developer. Harrison refused to speak to the author and declined to do business with Mr. CashMoneyBrother. Not a lot ot strings attached;but there still are strings. Harrison gets villfied by a guy who refused to do business with whot alks to said reporter. Is it a surprise in those circumstances that Harrison gets painted as a bad guy? I'm an a-hole, I guess, because I don't take a slanted reporter's nonsense as gospel truth, that I consider the possibility Harrison is being painted with a black hat because he didn't make this reporter's job easier. You,sir,are a naive child. I hope none fo you and yours ever have the media crawl up you posterior with a microscope. If they do, you had better be an altar boy on your way from the soup kitchen to a novena 24/7. Yep, you are. Sorry, I don't put myself in situations where the media would need to do such things. And, if i did, so be it. I shouldn't have put myself into such situations. Again, have you been to the area? Its a **** hole, and if Marvin has his way, it will always be. BTW, none of my opinions are based on THIS story at all. He has always been like this, and only the naive didn't notice before now. Again, go talk to some of his classmates at Syracuse, he is a f'n ******* and always has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.S. Dylan Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 That was an interesting read. Hard to believe some of the witnesses. Dixon was discredited with changing his story and was previously charged with drug conviction. Now he is suing for 100,000. Who knows his state of mind at the time. The one guy was shot in the back. So he may not have seen who shot the gun. Harrison is probably one of the only people in that town who has a licensed gun. I'm not sure he's a scum bag but the guy has issues. Marvin sounds strange from this article and it's unfortunate that guns need to be involved at all. I'm remaining neutral on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Whether you think Harrison is a bad guy or not, one thing is for sure. People are often not what they seem to be. Most people think I am fairly normal. I wonder what they would think if they knew that I like to smell the bottom of dogs' feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnjet Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Whether you think Harrison is a bad guy or not, one thing is for sure. People are often not what they seem to be. Most people think I am fairly normal. I wonder what they would think if they knew that I like to smell the bottom of dogs' feet. haha, thats funny. I just got a dog and his feet smell funny. I looked it up online and found out a bunch of people love that yeast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Yep, you are. Sorry, I don't put myself in situations where the media would need to do such things. Again, have you been to the area? Its a **** hole, and if Marvin has his way, it will always be. You do not know that. There's nothing objective in the story to suggest or prove it. So we have 3 incidents- 1. on the day of a playoff game, he lost his temper and stupidly beat up a ballboy(that clearly was the wrong thing to do); 2. on Pro Bowl vacation in Hawaii he refused a few greenfly autograph hounds, possibly impolitely; 3. a convicted drug felon tried to attack him , he in self-defense shot the criminal with his legally registered and carried handgun, and he cooperated with the police when they spoke to him. His other crimes-he refuses to speak to reporters. He has no use for "community developers" and wants to be left alone to run his businesses.As to them not being "nice"-was the mac&cheese in his soul food place from a box? Was the veal parm at his Italian place that frozen breaded patty? Did his bar serve warm beer? Why is it on Marvin Harrison to make it not a ___hole?he clearly wants to be left alone. Is that so awful? Why is it on him to do anything more than he now does? He invested in his community, and he's probably one of the few people with money who would. And this is the thanks he gets, to be treated like crap by the media. Suspect it's a warning to others who would be inclined to invest their career earnings inot their hometowns and neighborhoods. Why bother? All you get is a headache, little people tearing you down, saying you should do thinga their way, not yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnjet Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 You do not know that. There's nothing objective in the story to suggest or prove it. So we have 3 incidents- 1. on the day of a playoff game, he lost his temper and stupidly beat up a ballboy(that clearly was the wrong thing to do); 2. on Pro Bowl vacation in Hawaii he refused a few greenfly autograph hounds, possibly impolitely; 3. a convicted drug felon tried to attack him , he in self-defense shot the criminal with his legally registered and carried handgun, and he cooperated with the police when they spoke to him. His other crimes-he refuses to speak to reporters. He has no use for "community developers" and wants to be left alone to run his businesses.As to them not being "nice"-was the mac&cheese in his soul food place from a box? Was the veal parm at his Italian place that frozen breaded patty? Did his bar serve warm beer? Why is it on Marvin Harrison to make it not a ___hole?he clearly wants to be left alone. Is that so awful? Why is it on him to do anything more than he now does? He invested in his community, and he's probably one of the few people with money who would. And this is the thanks he gets, to be treated like crap by the media. Suspect it's a warning to others who would be inclined to innvest their career earnings inot their hometowns and neighborhoods. Why bother? All you get is a headache, little people tearing you down, saying you should do thinsg their way, not yours. Again, he has always been an *******. The things brought up in this article are nothing knew. Why do you keep bringing up things in this article? Go talk to people who have been around him in his life, he is a **** head. And, I'm not saying the food is ****ty, I am saying the neighborhood, where he owns 20+ properties is. And, yes, ****ty properties always fall back on their owners. Nothing new with that. And yeah, impoliteness is always shown by you and your friends beating someone up. Yep. Wow, you must have grown up in a ****hole as well. And, I wouldn't say he is being treated like crap by the media at all. If he didn't want to be in the spotlight, he shouldn't have become an NFL ball player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 haha, thats funny. I just got a dog and his feet smell funny. I looked it up online and found out a bunch of people love that yeast! If you snort them right after they wake up from a nap, their feet usually smell like popcorn. Pure gold, I tell ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnjet Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 If you snort them right after they wake up from a nap, their feet usually smell like popcorn. Pure gold, I tell ya. haha, must be the sweat glands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.S. Dylan Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Go talk to people who have been around him in his life, he is a **** head. I don't know any one who knows him. But I do know that the guy he went to school with and "spent a lot of time with" who was interviewed in this article, barely knew the guy. Sometimes people will label you a **** head if you don't give them the time of day, which it seems like what Marvin does. You seem like you know people who knew Marvin. Maybe you can share some stories you heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.S. Dylan Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Dwight Dixon, a 5'11", 280-pound ex-convict with a big mouth, is a magnet for the kind of trouble that keeps so many buildings boarded up around here. That's another thing that caught my attention. He's a 280 lb ex convict and he was getting his ass kicked by Marvin Harrison? What's Marvin, Karate Kid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted January 15, 2009 Author Share Posted January 15, 2009 That's another thing that caught my attention. He's a 280 lb ex convict and he was getting his ass kicked by Marvin Harrison? What's Marvin, Karate Kid? Something tells me if you grow up on mean streets, you usually know how to fight. Not to mention being in the NFL will keep a man in tip top shape. It is street fighting after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.S. Dylan Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Something tells me if you grow up on mean streets, you usually know how to fight. Not to mention being in the NFL will keep a man in tip top shape. It is street fighting after all. It is only Dixon's side of the story so it's going to make it look like he's the victim. Both grew up on the streets (but marvin spent time in the middle class neighborhood) and one has a significant weight advantage. Not to mention has been to prison and probably one mean son of a bitch. 88 is in better shape so he can last longer and is definitely faster but Dixon should be able to take a punch. Besides, street fights don't last long. The ball boy is one thing, this "ex con" is another. Pac man, Vick, those guys are potentially bigger scum bags. It seems like for the most part he minds his own business, just don't **** with him. It pisses me off that he more than likely shot at that guy in the street and put others at risk. That is pretty ****ed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Seems to me only one gun was fired, and it has been positively identified as Harrison's. That is not self-defense, that is assault. If a cop shot up the neighborhood after physically beating the hell out of somebody, and in the process let go rounds that struck an innocent bystander and nearly a father and son, Al Sharpton would be marching on Philly right now. The cop would be prosecuted, the city would be in lockdown and the public would want his head--even if he had a legitimate reason underneath it all. Harrison has been shown to have violent tendencies. But he gets the benefit of the doubt because we like touchdowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Seems to me only one gun was fired, and it has been positively identified as Harrison's. That is not self-defense, that is assault. If a cop shot up the neighborhood after physically beating the hell out of somebody, and in the process let go rounds that struck an innocent bystander and nearly a father and son, Al Sharpton would be marching on Philly right now. The cop would be prosecuted, the city would be in lockdown and the public would want his head--even if he had a legitimate reason underneath it all. Harrison has been shown to have violent tendencies. But he gets the benefit of the doubt because we like touchdowns. Or maybe he has the benefit of the doubt because that is the American system Nobody has come up with a believable story Not Harrison and certainly not "the victim". You don't need to have shots fired at you for it to be self defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 That's another thing that caught my attention. He's a 280 lb ex convict and he was getting his ass kicked by Marvin Harrison? What's Marvin, Karate Kid? Not much to go by. If he is 5'7" and has 100 of the pounds in his stomach and a$$, this is not hard to believe. If he is 6'5" and 280, Marvin must know some moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted January 15, 2009 Author Share Posted January 15, 2009 Seems to me only one gun was fired, and it has been positively identified as Harrison's. That is not self-defense, that is assault. If a cop shot up the neighborhood after physically beating the hell out of somebody, and in the process let go rounds that struck an innocent bystander and nearly a father and son, Al Sharpton would be marching on Philly right now. The cop would be prosecuted, the city would be in lockdown and the public would want his head--even if he had a legitimate reason underneath it all. Harrison has been shown to have violent tendencies. But he gets the benefit of the doubt because we like touchdowns. Good point when you talk about Shaprton. Where is Al now? Oh thats right, Marvin isn't... You know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Or maybe he has the benefit of the doubt because that is the American system Nobody has come up with a believable story Not Harrison and certainly not "the victim". You don't need to have shots fired at you for it to be self defense. Exactly. He's not a cop, so all that "cop" stuff doesn't apply. If you reasonably believe subjectively based on your personal experiences that you or your life is in danger, you can use deadly physcial force to stop the threat. And that's the case even if objectively a judge or jurors doubt the validity of the threat. I once had a judge reverse himself mid-trial to allow my client, the defendant, to describe a prior assault which led him to conclude the person assaulting him on this occasion could be a deadly threat to him . I won that case. And by the same token as an ADA, I was on the losing end of the proverbial "the winner goes to jail, and the loser goes to the hospital" self-defense case. The DA in this case probably saw a "victim" with a felony conviction suing Harrison as totally compromised, along with Harrison, an NFL star and local businessman, telling them that the victim is a total POS. It was unwinnable for the DA. Clearly Harrison would have been better off banking his money and buying a McMansion on a suburban cul de sac. How dare he invest in his old neighborhood and try to make a go of it without people bothering him, entertaining reporters and tolerating nonsense from "community activists", troublemakers and drug dealers. How terrible it is that he buys properties and businesses so he can turn a buck, give local folks a place to eat and hang out, and give his family, friends and neighbors employment and a place to live. What a silly goose. Not saying Harrison is St. Francis of Assisi, simply that this story is slanted against him because he wouldn't talk to the reporter. And based on everything I have heard and read, the "victim" is the street thug, not Harrison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Its amazing how perception can cause people to judge. People wanted to blame Sean Taylor for his own murder, yet scumbags like this get the benefit of the doubt becuase they're "quiet" and dont spike the ball when they score. uh, the article is saying Harrison did it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 too long for me to read. but all i can say is that so many of these athletes, we really have no idea who they really are, ex. richie anderson = pimp david megget = possible rapist can't think of more but you understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 uh, the article is saying Harrison did it I was talking about the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Marvin = innocent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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