slats Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Cimini loves to take his angles at stories, but what's he getting at here? Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan... is expected to retain Jets offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer if he's offered the head-coaching job, league sources said Wednesday... ...friends say Ryan learned a lesson two years ago while interviewing for the Chargers' head-coaching vacancy. Ryan didn't want to hire Ted Cottrell as his defensive coordinator - that was the preference of GM A.J. Smith - and it may have been a reason why he lost out to Norv Turner, who agreed to Cottrell. Turner wound up firing Cottrell this season. What's the lesson here? If you don't cowtow to the big men, you don't get the big job? Or is it to bullsh!t now -get the job- then fire and hire as you please. I mean, if I'm Schottie Jr. reading this article today, I'm not feeling all that great about my job security. Spagnuolo wants the power to hire his own coaches and he would like to have authority over the 53-man roster, according to sources - likely one of the reasons he has slipped behind Ryan. Not only do I think that every coach ought to want to have control of these items, I think every head coach should have control of them. That's what the head man does, he hires and fires the assistants and players based on their performance. How can you not give him that power? The idea that Tannenbaum wants to have say over the 53-man roster is a disturbing one. More disturbing is if this supposed tough guy, Rex Ryan, is rubber stamping these type of requirements. Do they plan to give their new coach any say in the draft or free agency? Could just be Cimini, but something's smelly here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Cimini loves to take his angles at stories, but what's he getting at here? What's the lesson here? If you don't cowtow to the big men, you don't get the big job? Or is it to bullsh!t now -get the job- then fire and hire as you please. I mean, if I'm Schottie Jr. reading this article today, I'm not feeling all that great about my job security. Not only do I think that every coach ought to want to have control of these items, I think every head coach should have control of them. That's what the head man does, he hires and fires the assistants and players based on their performance. How can you not give him that power? The idea that Tannenbaum wants to have say over the 53-man roster is a disturbing one. More disturbing is if this supposed tough guy, Rex Ryan, is rubber stamping these type of requirements. Do they plan to give their new coach any say in the draft or free agency? Could just be Cimini, but something's smelly here. He will still control the game plan, and I would not be surprised if his message to Schitt is 'No f---ing turnovers." If he can produce a defense that gets turnovers, I am sure he will not play fast and loose. Conservative play and low scores. Being the Jets OC may not be a good recommendation for Mr. BS. He may not get to show what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 I don't like this either. But it is coming from Cimini - the world's first human/rodent hybrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Seriously... I don't bother with reading Cimini's drivel anymore. The guy is a glorified gossip sports columnist. He doesn't have the "pulse" of the fans, he just wants to drive hits to his webpage. Anyways, if this is true I do hope that he has the choice over player personnel and will be able to put the OC in his place. The HC needs to be the HEAD of the staff, you can't having warring factions if that's what Tannenbaum is creating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Cimini is a piece of garbage. On assistants? I agree that a HC should have the final say on who to hire? On personnel? I disagree and I believe Spags is overreaching. All HCs should be consulted on personnel, but he shouldn't have authority over the roster. He can control who plays and who's inactive, that's the extent of his rightful authority. He's the HC, not the quasi GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Damn Cimini is taking a beating in here. Someone should throw him a stand eight count. I did think the part for the final 53 was weird. How could Ryan now have final say over that? I don't see Tanny even wanting the final say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 15, 2009 Author Share Posted January 15, 2009 On personnel? I disagree and I believe Spags is overreaching. All HCs should be consulted on personnel, but he shouldn't have authority over the roster. He can control who plays and who's inactive, that's the extent of his rightful authority. He's the HC, not the quasi GM. Yeah? I think the HC and the GM should work together to bring in talent that fits the HC's vision of the team. If the GM has final say in the draft room, so be it. If I was the GM, that's one of the items I'd demand. But once they're in camp, I absolutely believe it's the HC's job to finalize the roster. He's the guy who's with the players every day, the one who knows who's working hard, who's on board, and who's not. It gets sticky when the coach wants to let go high profile pick-ups, but that's part of what a tough guy, hard ass coach should be doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Cimini loves to take his angles at stories, but what's he getting at here? What's the lesson here? If you don't cowtow to the big men, you don't get the big job? Or is it to bullsh!t now -get the job- then fire and hire as you please. I mean, if I'm Schottie Jr. reading this article today, I'm not feeling all that great about my job security. Not only do I think that every coach ought to want to have control of these items, I think every head coach should have control of them. That's what the head man does, he hires and fires the assistants and players based on their performance. How can you not give him that power? The idea that Tannenbaum wants to have say over the 53-man roster is a disturbing one. More disturbing is if this supposed tough guy, Rex Ryan, is rubber stamping these type of requirements. Do they plan to give their new coach any say in the draft or free agency? Could just be Cimini, but something's smelly here. Ali Davis pulled that crap in Oakland when Kiffin wanted to replace DC Rob Ryan. He would up firing Kiffin and Ryan just left too. Let the HC pick his own coaches. As far as the 53 man roster the HC should have the final say with input from the GM. Afterall who knows these players talents and abilities better than the HC and CS ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Yeah? I think the HC and the GM should work together to bring in talent that fits the HC's vision of the team. If the GM has final say in the draft room, so be it. If I was the GM, that's one of the items I'd demand. But once they're in camp, I absolutely believe it's the HC's job to finalize the roster. He's the guy who's with the players every day, the one who knows who's working hard, who's on board, and who's not. It gets sticky when the coach wants to let go high profile pick-ups, but that's part of what a tough guy, hard ass coach should be doing. Well we will get to see it all up close and personal. Tanny, Woody and Rex sitting at the table with the coaches going over the final cuts. Should make for some riveting TV. Hard Knocks 2009 -- NY Jets Edition. Woody has to sell PSLs so the cameras will be allowed everywhere. Short of the locker room when Favre is changing. That is part of the Coaches Club auction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Yeah? I think the HC and the GM should work together to bring in talent that fits the HC's vision of the team. If the GM has final say in the draft room, so be it. If I was the GM, that's one of the items I'd demand. But once they're in camp, I absolutely believe it's the HC's job to finalize the roster. He's the guy who's with the players every day, the one who knows who's working hard, who's on board, and who's not. It gets sticky when the coach wants to let go high profile pick-ups, but that's part of what a tough guy, hard ass coach should be doing. I agree there should be a collaboration, but disagree on the point when camp starts. Spags wants authority over the 53 man roster. That means not only who will be cut, but also who the team acquires. There's financial and cap ramifications that HCs don't care about which a GM has to for the long term health of the franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 15, 2009 Author Share Posted January 15, 2009 Woody has to sell PSLs so the cameras will be allowed everywhere. Short of the locker room when Favre is changing. That is part of the Coaches Club auction. I hope Favre is changing in front of a webcam in Mississippi this summer. The Jets could offer free subscriptions to anyone who buys a luxury box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Seriously... I don't bother with reading Cimini's drivel anymore. The guy is a glorified gossip sports columnist. He doesn't have the "pulse" of the fans, he just wants to drive hits to his webpage. Anyways, if this is true I do hope that he has the choice over player personnel and will be able to put the OC in his place. The HC needs to be the HEAD of the staff, you can't having warring factions if that's what Tannenbaum is creating. Agreed. And as much as I want Ryan (my #1 choice), I will honestly puke if Schotty Jr. is retained. I think he is teh suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsman Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Well we will get to see it all up close and personal. Tanny, Woody and Rex sitting at the table with the coaches going over the final cuts. Should make for some riveting TV. Hard Knocks 2009 -- NY Jets Edition. Woody has to sell PSLs so the cameras will be allowed everywhere. Short of the locker room when Favre is changing. That is part of the Coaches Club auction. god i hope not thats a big distraction to have in camp. to hell with the cameras lets go Parcells style lock the media out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 What GM is not going to want input over the roster? I'm sure that it will be a collaborative effort, other wise you are bringing a guy in and handing him the keys to the franchise. A Cowher may get away with that, but a first time HC will certainly not. If you look around the league, this is probably the setup for most franchises. There is no story there. Being forced to keep Scottenheimer is a story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 god i hope not thats a big distraction to have in camp. to hell with the cameras lets go Parcells style lock the media out! Well in fairness I am sure it would be a HUGE distraction. I doubt it would actually happen though, even Woody has a line he won't cross I am sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 15, 2009 Author Share Posted January 15, 2009 I agree there should be a collaboration, but disagree on the point when camp starts. Spags wants authority over the 53 man roster. That means not only who will be cut, but also who the team acquires. There's financial and cap ramifications that HCs don't care about which a GM has to for the long term health of the franchise. Hmmm... I think there's a difference between wanting to run the personnel department and having control of the 53-man roster. The GM should run the scouting department, and should be showing the coach players he has an interest in bringing in based on whatever Jet values that may represent. If the coach is trying to control scouting and such, he's being spread too thin. The GM should control finances and salaries. The HC should handle the on field decisions. That way he can tell his players that he decides whether they play, ride the pine, or get thrown under the bus - but talk to the GM about your salary, I don't want to hear it. If the coach and the GM are on the same page (a requirement for success), they should pretty much be in agreement for about 90% of the roster, anyway. For the most part, we're talking about backups and special teamers on the cut line. The screaming example of a major addition the coach might want to have a say on would be the whole Brett Favre thing. And again, I think the coach should be able to tell his GM, "thanks, but no thanks," is he sees such a move as bad for his team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Agreed. And as much as I want Ryan (my #1 choice), I will honestly puke if Schotty Jr. is retained. I think he is teh suck. The below is from Boland's life chat yesterday: i was one of those reporting those rumblings! [about Schotty being restricted by Mangini] and it's true to an extent, though you always have to balance these things when a guy who no longer is there - mangini - is getting kicked while he's already out the door. let's put it this way: i dont think schotty deserves as much blame as i thought he did at the end of the season. and i've heard that from a couple of those in the locker room if you know what i mean. http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/blog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjakecity Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 If you read the article, Cimini starts it off in a fashion that was pretty unprofessional (but frankly is pretty status quo for him): "The Jets have a game plan. Really, they do." Its hard for me to take anything he says seriously. Comments like what is referenced above is just the tip of the iceberg. I don't know if he has an outright bias against the Jets or if he fabricates stories and/or quotes to sell papers. What's more infuriating is that the guy has the gall to act like he is speaking for the fans and in the name of objectivity when in fact he seems to write things just to piss fans off. He is the ulitmate p*** in your cheerios Monday morning quarterback. Unfortunately, many Jet fans are gluttons for punishment and not only continue to read his nonsense, but post it on message boards as well. My feeling is that because it looks to be Ryan's job to lose, he posted this article in the hopes of creating doubt about Ryan (after all, if Ryan would let Mike Tannenbaum tell him who should be on his coaching staff, he would look weaker in the eyes of the fans). On to the topic about Schottenheimer. I have mixed emotions on this. Like Mangini, I saw what he could do in 2006 but the shine on that star was taken off afterwards. However, unlike the defensive playcalling, there were at least times earlier in the season that Schottenheimer was calling a good game (although certainly not much down the stretch). If he is the offensive co-ordinator, I'll take a wait and see approach. That being said, I have a hard time believing Ryan would accept a job where he didn't have a say in his coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 If Schotty is forced down Ryan's throat it will be proof to me that Tanny should've been fired along with Mangini.. ATC??/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 The below is from Boland's life chat yesterday: So are they blaming Favre or Mangini this time? Honestly, I don't buy anything these guys say anymore.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 It is all about pleasing Favre. If it wasn't for Favre do you honestly think management would put those kind of strings on the job ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Rex Ryan should literally eat Brian Schottenheimer or at least feed him to Kris Jenkins. It's effective and removes the evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 He didn't want to hire Ted Cotrell. I like him already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 15, 2009 Author Share Posted January 15, 2009 He didn't want to hire Ted Cotrell. I like him already. Haha! Clearly that's one in the "pros" column. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudicus Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 I'm sure Ryan has looked at SD, the GM/Owner really liked Te_ Cotrell he didn't take the job, Te_ messed up and got canned under Turner. sSo now he realizes sure I'll keep the guy you want, even if just for consistency. I'm sure Ryan has said he wants full autonomy when it comes to his staff, and if Schott messes up Ryan can fire him and bring in who he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 If Schotty is forced down Ryan's throat it will be proof to me that Tanny should've been fired along with Mangini.. ATC??/ Tannenbaum is the *****ing man. Period! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 So are they blaming Favre or Mangini this time? Honestly, I don't buy anything these guys say anymore.. The FO is blaming Mangini. The media is blaming Favre. There's a difference. As to "buy" what they say, I don't get your point. This is not about "buying" what the FO is saying because this goes to the subjective belief of the FO. The FO believes Mangini was the problem with the offense. The FO may be 100% wrong, but that doesn't matter because this is about what the FO believes and their justification in (1) firing Mangini and (2) wanting to retain Mini-Schott. As to firing Mike T, I don't necessarily disagree. But it's hard to justify firing a GM who acquires 7 pro bowlers and 2 all-pro with 3 years on the job. Ultimately, I don't think Mini-Schott's presence is as big an issue as you and others make it seem. The big story in 2009 will be Ryan and Pettine running the defense, not Mini-Schott running the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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