4HCrew Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Cowher Holmgren Shanahan Gruden It just figures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 If Gruden sits out a year, its just amazing when you look at that list. Almost makes you want to just promote Schottenheimer and unless he gets us into the Postseason, can his ass and go get one of those four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Get Rex Ryan. **** the retreads. There's a reason no HC has ever won a SB with two different teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Get Rex Ryan. **** the retreads. There's a reason no HC has ever won a SB with two different teams. There's a reason Rex Ryan has been passed over for plenty of jobs, even fired by the Ravens before being rehired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 There's a reason Rex Ryan has been passed over for plenty of jobs, even fired by the Ravens before being rehired. With all of the Ryan hoopla this has to be a concern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 There's a reason Rex Ryan has been passed over for plenty of jobs, even fired by the Ravens before being rehired. And there's a reason that Gruden was fired! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 Just to feed into your point Irish.... how many defensive coordinators would look great with Suggs, Ray Lewis, Bart Scott and Ed Reed on their squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Just to feed into your point Irish.... how many defensive coordinators would look great with Suggs, Ray Lewis, Bart Scott and Ed Reed on their squad? Don't leave out Haloti Ngata, Chris McAlister (up until this season at least) and Samrie Rolle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Just to feed into your point Irish.... how many defensive coordinators would look great with Suggs, Ray Lewis, Bart Scott and Ed Reed on their squad? Do you ever watch the Ravens play defense? If you did you'd know that it's more than the talent that makes them great. They have one of the most complex defensive systems in the NFL. Also. You guys keep talking about Gruden's SB win. Well guess what he had on defense? Warren Sapp, Simeon Rice, John Lynch, Derrick Brooks, Ronde Barber etc. Monty Kiffin and that defense CARRIED that team to the SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynton Beach Jets Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 And there's a reason that Gruden was fired! The time Gruden won was with Tony Dungy's team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Don't leave out Haloti Ngata, Chris McAlister (up until this season at least) and Samrie Rolle. Come on, that's not even a good argument. You can go through that entire list of out of work HC's and come up with the same crap. You forget the defense that Gruden had? How about Holmgren without Favre? Shanahan without Elway? And to prove my point...Weeb without Namath? We haven't won **** since. You need a good balance of players with a HC. A HC alone won't win you jack ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 I am not bashing Ryan just saying the Jets should interview ALL possible candidates not be so narrow minded. Clearly they do not want to give up any power and to me that is a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
war ensemble Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 I am not bashing Ryan just saying the Jets should interview ALL possible candidates not be so narrow minded. Clearly they do not want to give up any power and to me that is a problem I thought they interviewed like eight guys? That's more than most teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 with all of that said, it wouldn't shock me if gruden sits out a year maybe the jets should hire an interim HC ? next year you MIGHT have these guys available cowher shanahan gruden holmgren yup with our luck they all will be hired next year, and we will be in year 2 of a rebuliding process with a 7-9 team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 I thought they interviewed like eight guys? That's more than most teams. And they have zero idea what they want. They've interviewed in house. They've interviewed out of house. They've interviewed in the College Ranks. They've interviewed OC's. They've interviewed DC's. They didn't even pick up the phone to call Bill Cowher. All thats left is a High School coach and maybe that is going on behind the scences. Maybe Don Bosco Prep's coach is being interviewed as we speak. Oh wait, we do know what they want. Another unproven. Screw success thats right infront of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 And they have zero idea what they want. They've interviewed in house. They've interviewed out of house. They've interviewed in the College Ranks. They've interviewed OC's. They've interviewed DC's. They didn't even pick up the phone to call Bill Cowher. All thats left is a High School coach and maybe that is going on behind the scences. Maybe Don Bosco Prep's coach is being interviewed as we speak. Oh wait, we do know what they want. Another unproven. Screw success thats right infront of you. my understanding was cowher wanted a call from the owner before even interviewing for the job I'd guess he wanted to tell woody he'd have to can tanny to get him or ask for a 5 year $25 mill guaranteed contract I think woody was right in declining the call, if that was even what happened we'll never know, but I just don't think cowher was available this year and I think you are mistaking thoroughness for a lack of direction I love that they are talking to lots of guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 And they have zero idea what they want. They've interviewed in house. They've interviewed out of house. They've interviewed in the College Ranks. They've interviewed OC's. They've interviewed DC's. They didn't even pick up the phone to call Bill Cowher. All thats left is a High School coach and maybe that is going on behind the scences. Maybe Don Bosco Prep's coach is being interviewed as we speak. Oh wait, we do know what they want. Another unproven. Screw success thats right infront of you. You are aware that just because the Jets recent history with unproven HC's isn't good doesn't mean that Ryan would fail. Look at the playoff teams now. How many of the HC's left were HC's before they took their current job. Answer? Zero Just say no to retreads. You said it yourself 124 - "Trends are there to be broken". I honestly believe Rex Ryan would snap the trend of the unproven Jets HC's. If you don't that's fair enough but don't rule the guy out already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 My biggest problem with Ryan is he has had plenty of coaching opportunities before and never once landed the job. He is a great Defensive Coordinator, via his blitz packages, but why hasn't he landed a job? Why did the Ravens not even consider him, instead just fired him? How come... a lot of questions. I don't like questions. I like answers. I'm still sour over the fact that Woody Johnson just takes vacations during the first round of interviews, we don't even call Bill Cowher and now we probably won't even call Jon Gruden. I'm so sick and tired of the unprovens. If Ryan is hired, I will back him 110% until I can no longer. I realize all four coaches right now are with their first teams, but how many times has that happened before? I do not feel confident with Ryan. I'd feel more confident with Steve Spagnuolo, Leslie Frazier or even the former Boston College coach, honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KudosForND Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 The time Gruden won was with Tony Dungy's team Very True but who did he play against in the Super Bowl His team the Raiders.. so really if you look at that way he brought two teams to the super bowl.. Idk who Jets head coach should be ill let them decide and Im gonna support pretty much anyone they get even Shotty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 My biggest problem with Ryan is he has had plenty of coaching opportunities before and never once landed the job. He is a great Defensive Coordinator, via his blitz packages, but why hasn't he landed a job? Why did the Ravens not even consider him, instead just fired him? How come... a lot of questions. I don't like questions. I like answers. I'm still sour over the fact that Woody Johnson just takes vacations during the first round of interviews, we don't even call Bill Cowher and now we probably won't even call Jon Gruden. I'm so sick and tired of the unprovens. If Ryan is hired, I will back him 110% until I can no longer. I realize all four coaches right now are with their first teams, but how many times has that happened before? I do not feel confident with Ryan. I'd feel more confident with Steve Spagnuolo, Leslie Frazier or even the former Boston College coach, honestly. 1 - how do you even know that ? 2 - his lesbo daughter set herself on fire or seomthing like that and he went to go see her in cali (at leat his wife did, I can't see him not going as well) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
war ensemble Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 And they have zero idea what they want. They've interviewed in house. They've interviewed out of house. They've interviewed in the College Ranks. They've interviewed OC's. They've interviewed DC's. They didn't even pick up the phone to call Bill Cowher. All thats left is a High School coach and maybe that is going on behind the scences. Maybe Don Bosco Prep's coach is being interviewed as we speak. Oh wait, we do know what they want. Another unproven. Screw success thats right infront of you. That list is incredibly narrow minded. (That's directed to 4H...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 Where is the coach that had extensive HC experience? what Callahan? why no Fassel? Billick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 And they have zero idea what they want. They've interviewed in house. They've interviewed out of house. They've interviewed in the College Ranks. They've interviewed OC's. They've interviewed DC's. They didn't even pick up the phone to call Bill Cowher. All thats left is a High School coach and maybe that is going on behind the scences. Maybe Don Bosco Prep's coach is being interviewed as we speak. Oh wait, we do know what they want. Another unproven. Screw success thats right infront of you. The final four teams remaining in the playoffs: Andy Reid = was an "unproven" hire. Hell, he wasn't even a coordinator. Ken Wisenhunt = was "unproven" hire, and this is his second season coaching Mike Tomlin = was "unproven" hire, and this is his second season coaching John Harbaugh = was "unproven" hire, and this is his first season coaching Other playoff coaches who were "unproven" when hired: > Jeff Fisher (13-3) > John Fox (12-4) > Brad Childress (10-6, with no QB and at best 1 decent WR or TE to catch it) > Tony Sparano (11-5, in his first season) > Mike Smith (11-5, in his first season) The "proven" playoff coaches: > Mike Shanahan (8-8 and choked at the end of the season. Awful GM.) > Jon Gruden (9-7 and choked at the end of the season) > Tony Dungy (12-4 but failed yet again with Peyton Manning) > Norv Turner (8-8 but dug his team into a hole at 4-8 and LT wouldn't have been hurt if not for his stupidity) > Tom Coughlin (12-4, superbowl favorite turned one-and-done) > Herm Edwards (2-14, hey - he made the playoffs 4x in 8 years, lol) > Wade Phillips (9-7 and everyone knows he has no control of his players) > Mike Holmgren (4-12) > Dick Jauron (7-9) > Bill Belichick (11-5, and did a great job. Too bad there's only one of him & he's not available) Seems to me that 9 of the 12 head coaches who made the playoffs were "unproven" when hired. And it's hardly a stretch to suggest an "unproven" could do as good of a job as Turner did this year. The HC is not exactly the strength of that team. Hell, even Cowher was .500 his last season as they started out 2-6 with losses to Oakland and Atlanta, got shut out twice, and had a division rival sweep them. But bitch away if you must. Seems to me the Jets are exploring the available options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Cowher Holmgren Shanahan Gruden It just figures The only one worth a crap is Cowher since he has a consistently positive body of work and recent success. Shanahan and Holmgren won SB's in the 90's and have had mediocre records since then (apart from the 1 SB appearance by the Seahawks, check the record for both of these has beens). Gruden has been 7 games under .500 since the SB. Brigitte Bardot was one of the most beautiful women in the world once and now she is like a piece of old shoe leather. Fresh ideas that evolve with game are what is needed, not dinosaurs. As investors always like to point out, past performance is not indicative of future results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 If Gruden sits out a year, its just amazing when you look at that list. Almost makes you want to just promote Schottenheimer and unless he gets us into the Postseason, can his ass and go get one of those four. I agree with this statement. Who the hell is Rex Ryan anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 I agree with this statement. Who the hell is Rex Ryan anyway? You agree with this statement? We're a win-now team and you're willing to piss it away on someone who's never been successful at anything, just so you could hire the great Jon Gruden or "Coach 8-8 in his last season" Cowher or "I am the worst GM this side of Al Davis" Shanahan or "I've never accomplished sh*t without an NFL MVP" Holmgren? Give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Who knows if Rex Ryan might be a succesful head cioach if hired -me personally I would rather take him than a tired Gruden and Shanahan that are living off 10 year ago success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 Sperm I get where you are coming from and respect your point. I am not really leaning towards any candidate as it is all a crapshoot. For me the quarterback position is a bigger concern but anyway.... does it concern you at all that Ryan did not get the HC in his own organization? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Sperm I get where you are coming from and respect your point. I am not really leaning towards any candidate as it is all a crapshoot. For me the quarterback position is a bigger concern but anyway.... does it concern you at all that Ryan did not get the HC in his own organization? No. Because the guy who got it is showing that he got it for a pretty damn good reason. They also knew that Ryan was coming back anyways. IIRC he was "fired" but he was always either going to be promted to HC or come back as DC under another guy. He was wanted back in Baltimore by both players and staff and he wanted to go back there. Judging by what the Ravens have done this season, you can see why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Sperm I get where you are coming from and respect your point. I am not really leaning towards any candidate as it is all a crapshoot. For me the quarterback position is a bigger concern but anyway.... does it concern you at all that Ryan did not get the HC in his own organization? Yes and no. Yes it concerns me a little because of the obvious reason: they know him as well as anyone & passed on him. No because I don't know the reason why. Their reason why may not be a good reason for us. Doesn't make it right or wrong. Hell, maybe the owner doesn't like him. Maybe the GM doesn't like him but knows he's an effective DC & kept him in that capacity. Maybe they just wanted "fresh blood" rather than an underling of the guy they just sh*tcanned. (If this is the reason, then it would be confusing for the Jets to hire him since Tannenbaum has manlove for Schott Jr.). Hell, maybe owner and GM just liked Harbaugh better. He seems a decent guy, smart, also from a football family, etc. So absent knowing WHY they chose Harbaugh over Ryan, it doesn't concern me on its face. If Harbaugh was a dufus and they went from 5 wins last year to 2 wins this year, then passing on Ryan (as happened in Oakland with his brother) would be much more concerning. But new blood - first time head coaches - don't scare me if they appear to be qualified for the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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