NIGHT STALKER Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 It looks like Ryan will be the next HC to lead this Jets team. My question is, think back to our hiring of Herm Edwards and Eric Mangini. What were your feelings back then (not your opinion of them now) of their hire's? Were you more hyped with... Herm Edwards Eric Mangini Rex Ryan I was really on board with the hiring of Herm Edwards...that "love affair" lasted about a year and a half...I even took the handle Hermanator when they hired him. Shame on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 i wasn't too enamored with herm or fatgini. herm grew on me a littel bit at first and i started to hate mangini more and more after it was apparent that he couldn't get the team to make any progress (during his seocnd season). i'm legitimately psyched for ryan...i'm tired of wathcing this team with their soft defenses year after year. looking forward to an attacking defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 It looks like Ryan will be the next HC to lead this Jets team. My question is, think back to our hiring of Herm Edwards and Eric Mangini. What were your feelings back then (not your opinion of them now) of their hire's? Were you more hyped with... Herm Edwards Eric Mangini Rex Ryan I was really on board with the hiring of Herm Edwards...that "love affair" lasted about a year and a half...I even took the handle Hermanator when they hired him. Shame on me. I wanted Cowher...Woody could have made him offer he couldn't refuse..he did not..so Ryan is OK hire... Ryan will make our D more watchable and hopefully he knows that LEON is the man around here and will give him the touches Meanwhile Pioli still has not fired hermie!!! great to be a Chef fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I was on board with both previous hires. I was fooled by Herm, and then I was happy with what I thought was an intelligent man replacing him. My jury's still out on Mangini. He's far from perfect, but I think he got a raw deal here. I also see the advantages of Ryan. On the surface he appears to be both a smart tactician and a solid motivator. The down side is that Marvin Lewis looked to be exactly the same when he left that talented Baltimore dee. I hope he turns out well -and I really have nothing against him- but I would've preferred a proven HC for this cycle. Problem is, there really wasn't a quality one available. He might turn out to be better than the last two, but I was higher on them coming in. Maybe that'll work to Ryan's advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I disliked Edwards form Day 1, when they inexplicably hired him over John FOx and Marv Lewis when both of those guys had actually accomplished something. It was Tagliabue's payback for having the NFL approve his bid over the Dolans' bid. I thought Mangini would be a solid pick. Cautiously optimistic today. It means nothing substantive, but the last time the Jets won anything, Ryan's dad had a very big hand in the defense. And you can point to this franchise going to poop exactly when Weeb Eubank picked his Winner son-in-law over Buddy Ryan to run the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I wanted Cowher...Woody could have made him offer he couldn't refuse..he did not..so Ryan is OK hire... Ryan will make our D more watchable and hopefully he knows that LEON is the man around here and will give him the touches Meanwhile Pioli still has not fired hermie!!! great to be a Chef fan Why? Is he smuggling some of the talent as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Moses Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I think Ryan will wind up like Marv Lewis. Great DC, sh8tty HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I disliked Edwards form Day 1, when they inexplicably hired him over John FOx and Marv Lewis when both of those guys had actually accomplished something. It was Tagliabue's payback for having the NFL approve his bid over the Dolans' bid. I thought Mangini would be a solid pick. Cautiously optimistic today. It means nothing substantive, but the last time the Jets won anything, Ryan's dad had a very big hand in the defense. And you can point to this franchise going to poop exactly when Weeb Eubank picked his Winner son-in-law over Buddy Ryan to run the show. Identical from me on Herm. And my opinion got progressively worse when he started dismantling a good, veteran (but not over-the-hill) 3-4 defense to put in his precious Tampa-2 on every down because it seemed to work on Tampa...when they had like 6 pro bowlers on their defense who were perfectly-suited for just that scheme. But before that, he hired Hackett who had been fired from I think every job he's ever had & put Testaverde - an OLD immobile Testaverde with a hamburger meat Achilles tendon - in a WCO. I think I liked Mangini better than he deserved because of two reasons: 1) I thought he would be the anti-Herm because BB wouldn't have kept him aboard & promoted him if he was just flat-out stupid. BB never would have had Herm on his staff, let alone promote him to DC. 2) He seemed as good a choice as any that year. I think people really forget what our options were that year. As far as Ryan...we'll see. At least he was in charge of half the team & was successful at it. His two predecessors were not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Herm: Didn't know what to think, I really liked him for a while. Mangini: Was very happy getting a guy from the Belichick tree. Ryan: Not happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Herm: Didn't know what to think, I really liked him for a while. Mangini: Was very happy getting a guy from the Belichick tree. Ryan: Not happy Why? Not saying today is grounds for a parade, but why do you dislike Ryan? My one big point in his favor of him beside his record is that it appears he really wants to be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I wasn't sold on herm when he first came, but he has a good personality which in the beginning is enough to get you by. Then the let downs. I was stoked to see Mangini because I thought he could reproduce what the Pats were doing. I was dismayed when he started to change schemes without the right personnel. I am optimistic yet hesistent to get stoked about Rex just yet. We have some good players on both sides of the ball. We are lacking a QB, go to wr, cb, and dominate de. If Rex can develop ghoulston and turn the d into what we had glimpses of this season he will win games. If we get the QB and wr to match we will win a superbowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSorDIE Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 It looks like Ryan will be the next HC to lead this Jets team. My question is, think back to our hiring of Herm Edwards and Eric Mangini. What were your feelings back then (not your opinion of them now) of their hire's? Were you more hyped with... Herm Edwards Eric Mangini Rex Ryan I was really on board with the hiring of Herm Edwards...that "love affair" lasted about a year and a half...I even took the handle Hermanator when they hired him. Shame on me. I was not sold on Mangini. I have always said that you cannot get a DC from a team where a HC is the defensive guru. The HC is really in charge. The Lions will soon find that out with Swartcz (SP) Herm he grew on me. I am excited about the possibilty of having a smashmouth defense so I am excited about Rex more than Herm and Mangini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I thought, and still think to some degree, that both Herm and Mangini had the ability to be successful HCs - IF they had good coordinators. It never happened. And you know what, it is unreasonable to even wish for that. Because as soon as you are lucky enough to uncover a very good coordinator, they are quickly gone to HC somewhere else. It has made me realize that a great HC has to be an Xs and Os guy themselves. All of the great ones were. CEOs and Presidents can surround themselves with the smart guys and just lead, HCs in today's NFL can't. And even though their forty times don't matter, and they are too young for alzheimers, the so called proven HCs burn out (Shanahan, Schotty Sr, Holmgren,Gruden). That is why am thrilled with Ryan. No guarantees. He may not be a great HC. But I think he has the best chance of succeeding with all of the possibilities that were there (including the greatly overrated Cowher - look at what the Steelers are doing without him - and don't tell me he built that team, it was that organization that will always be top tier with the Rooneys running it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryK Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Why can't we ever get a coach who's had success before? Parcells was the last coach who had me excited for this team. We had a real-live honest-to-god coach who built a team that performed. Now, we're entering another decade of former assistant coordinators who "have great potential". Piss on 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 It looks like Ryan will be the next HC to lead this Jets team. My question is, think back to our hiring of Herm Edwards and Eric Mangini. What were your feelings back then (not your opinion of them now) of their hire's? Were you more hyped with... Herm Edwards Eric Mangini Rex Ryan I was really on board with the hiring of Herm Edwards...that "love affair" lasted about a year and a half...I even took the handle Hermanator when they hired him. Shame on me. I am very pumped about this...much more so than the other 2. Mangini never got me excited, all I knew about him was that he was BB's biotch. He only had 1 year as DC. Hermie was interesting because of his demeanor but his resume didnt scream HC in the slightest. Rex screams HC to me and his years orchestrating one of the league's most ferocious D's is all the more reason for me to be excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I am very pumped about this...much more so than the other 2. Mangini never got me excited, all I knew about him was that he was BB's biotch. He only had 1 year as DC. Hermie was interesting because of his demeanor but his resume didnt scream HC in the slightest. Rex screams HC to me and his years orchestrating one of the league's most ferocious D's is all the more reason for me to be excited. He has been their DC since 05'.... but he has been a part of that D for much longer... He was also assistant HC this year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudicus Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I pretty much became a jet fan in about 97-98 during the parcells years, being Canadian I didn't really follow the team too closely, just watched them on TV on the weekends and enjoyed the games, sorta fell of with Groh, really I don't even remember that year it's just a blank. In my mind it went Parcells then Edwards. I liked Herm as a guy, seems nice, affable like that next door neighbour that lives at his grill all summer and always invites you over to have some beer and watch the game, but god did he suck at the x's and o's of being a coach, many was the time looking back where I wonder what on earth he was thinking. I was excited to see Mangini a young intelligent coach, he did get a raw deal this year but the 4-12 season after making the playoffs exposed a lot of glaring weakness' of his which he did not attempt to fix before the season which is why he is not here....and given the fact that Cleveland is now full of his cronies I'm glad he's gone. Rex has me excited just for a change in attitude and philosophy, which could go a long way in and of itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 It looks like Ryan will be the next HC to lead this Jets team. My question is, think back to our hiring of Herm Edwards and Eric Mangini. What were your feelings back then (not your opinion of them now) of their hire's? Were you more hyped with... Herm Edwards Eric Mangini Rex Ryan I was really on board with the hiring of Herm Edwards...that "love affair" lasted about a year and a half...I even took the handle Hermanator when they hired him. Shame on me. my hype meter edwards ryan mangini edwards was going to bring tampa's defense with the 9ers offense i remember listening to the players reaction after hermy spoke to the team, and they were saying they were ready to out and play and they would go through walls for the guy. he is such a great speaker, I was mesmerized by the guy. I loved the stories of how he was raised by a military guy who taught him to "clean the corners" when he cleaned out the garage I'm hoping ryan brings an attitude we really need around here; attack and dictate to the other team I was worried about mangini being too raw and not ready and being buddies with the GM and nobody else interviewed him (I think) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I didn't like the Mangini hire at the time although I did after his first year. He's a good coach when there's no expectation it seems because he just has absolutely no balls whatsoever to coach in pressure situations. Really went off him after some of the awful desicion making this year. All of this applies to Schotty too. As for Ryan, I love the guy. Have been calling for him since week 16. He's the guy I wanted so I'm obviously pleased. I have high expectations for him, especially on the defensive side of the ball and hopefully he will succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Am I just imagining it or are people more negative about Ryan ever since we hired him? LOL Jets fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I was totally against the Herm hire, but was excited about Mangini. Admittedly, most of it was his association with Belichick, which as we, the Browns, Notre Dame and soon Denver know, means absolutely nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Herm was a complete unknown, so not much about that. I was happy with Mangini because of the heritage tree and the perception we would finally be able to beat the Pats (2/3 in regular season in NE). Rex brings his experience in the defense and hopefully the ability to fire up his players. Funny, if we could mix up Mangini's mind and Herm's and motivational skills, it would be a good HC. Hopefully, that is what we got. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Herm was a complete unknown, so not much about that. I was happy with Mangini because of the heritage tree and the perception we would finally be able to beat the Pats (2/3 in regular season in NE). Rex brings his experience in the defense and hopefully the ability to fire up his players. Funny, if we could mix up Mangini's mind and Herm's and motivational skills, it would be a good HC. Hopefully, that is what we got. BZ Nah, because that HC would still be playing for the tie and end up losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uart Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Meanwhile Pioli still has not fired hermie!!! great to be a Chef fan If he does though, apparently the Colts want him as their DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 If he does though, apparently the Colts want him as their DC. Now this I have to see. Bwhahahahahahahahahaha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I hated the idea of Herm from the start. Under-qualified and running the cover-2 which I don't like. I was proven right almost immediately when he dumped our top cover CBs to get guys that fit his scheme. I wasn't too happy about hiring Mangini because I don't like the Pats, Belichick or Parcells and I also don't like the two gap 3-4. I also didn't think he was very qualified, but I don't remember there being anybody out there I wanted more. On the good side, I know the Parcells/Belichick D works and I figured he was smart and young, so I was very hopeful. I like Ryan. I think he's proven himself as an excellent defensive mind. He'll probably need to improve his people/press skills for NYC. I don't think there is any guarantee that he'll be a great coach, but I always liked Buddy Ryan thanks to his aggressive D and Jets connection. This is the only one of the three I actually want to do well personally. Pete Carroll is the last Jets coach I truly liked when he took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 herm: hated it mangini: loved it rex: hate it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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