NIGHT STALKER Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 1) The cap is 10mill over, but expected to rise by 7 mill. Thus, 3 over in actuality. The loss of Farve is 13 mill alone so the Jets are under when Favre announces his retirement (hopefully), plus there are a number of veterans who will restructure. So the Jets cap is not that bad this year and long term is in great shape. 2) Guys like Law are not expected back. Pace is only 28 years old. The Jets roster is on the younger side (pro bowl alternate DBrick and pro bowl Mangold and Revis all young) 3) In terms of Tanny, he has added 7 pro bowlers, 6 if you exclude Favre. He's drafted very well with a pro bowl alternate LT in DBrick and a pro bowl corner in Revis. Gholston who knows? With Rex he may turn out well. Mangini played a different (read and react) 3-4 defense. Let's Go Jets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 20, 2009 Author Share Posted January 20, 2009 Hey mods...any mod, please move this into the football forum...I must be having flash backs again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I agree with you assessment. I think Bryan Thomas has to go, there is just no way an intense guy like ryan wants that do-nothing waste of life influencing Gholston...who could also be classified the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 1) The cap is 10mill over, but expected to rise by 7 mill. Thus, 3 over in actuality. The loss of Farve is 13 mill alone so the Jets are under when Favre announces his retirement (hopefully), plus there are a number of veterans who will restructure. So the Jets cap is not that bad this year and long term is in great shape. 2) Guys like Law are not expected back. Pace is only 28 years old. The Jets roster is on the younger side (pro bowl alternate DBrick and pro bowl Mangold and Revis all young) 3) In terms of Tanny, he has added 7 pro bowlers, 6 if you exclude Favre. He's drafted very well with a pro bowl alternate LT in DBrick and a pro bowl corner in Revis. Gholston who knows? With Rex he may turn out well. Mangini played a different (read and react) 3-4 defense. Let's Go Jets! when they were 8-3, even the dolts at ESPN were talking them up. They have some talent. I expect Rex to win. No slack need be cut. If, as I believe, this was a failure of coaching, then he should win. This team needs a good backup for Jenkins so they don't fall apart when he gets hurt. They need a good ILB. They need a very good WR, something they do not have. And of course they need secondary help. But they were 8-3 with this group before mangini lost them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishooked Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 QB is still a MASSIVE QUESTION MARK though, thats what concerns me right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetkid94 Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 people call me crazy when I say that the jets could get scott, lehonard and greer due to cap space, but I know losing favre, barton, thomas, and barret gives us room for leohanrd greer and scott. plus im sure we will restructure and release other people to. remember this difference between teams. we still have that 8-3 team but people say "yeah but we have the team that choked to" well my answer to that is we have that 8-3 team but dont have the coaching that made us 9-7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetkid94 Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 QB is still a MASSIVE QUESTION MARK though, thats what concerns me right now... if the defense pans out as expected all we need is a joe flacco type of guy. lets say we go with ratliff then we are running team and ratliff just has to be average. if we go with clemens he has more experience than flacco so we could be in better shape, but I want ratliff to get a chance. as long as jones stays strong and leon gets his touches our offense will be ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 YES THE F'ING ARE. THEY HAVE AN OWNER WHO COULDN'T GIVE A SH*T ABOUT HOW THE TEAM DOES... THEY HAVE NO QB, AND AN UNPROVEN COACH. HOW THE F ARE THEY NOT IN BAD SHAPE?? THE FRANCHISE IS A DAMNED MESS. DEAL WITH IT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 YES THE F'ING ARE. THEY HAVE AN OWNER WHO COULDN'T GIVE A SH*T ABOUT HOW THE TEAM DOES... THEY HAVE NO QB, AND AN UNPROVEN COACH. HOW THE F ARE THEY NOT IN BAD SHAPE?? THE FRANCHISE IS A DAMNED MESS. DEAL WITH IT! How does that in any way, shape, or form make sense? He owns the team, the team is his business. If he actually did not care about the team, why wouldn't he sell it? If the team sucks, revenue goes down and Woody doesn't make money or sell PSLs. Of course he cares how they do. That's just what you wish to think to complain about something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 1) The cap is 10mill over, but expected to rise by 7 mill. Thus, 3 over in actuality. The loss of Farve is 13 mill alone so the Jets are under when Favre announces his retirement (hopefully), plus there are a number of veterans who will restructure. So the Jets cap is not that bad this year and long term is in great shape. 2009 is the final year of the current CBA, and as such 2010 right now is an uncapped year. There are some rules in place for just how contracts can be structured going from '09 to '10, and they're going to put some limits on just how much money they can save. Tanny is obviously pretty good with this kind of thing, but his hands may be tied this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetophile Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Heeee, I was wondering why this was in the Lounge. Hey, I want to know right here and right now why the Jets didn't even pick up the phone when it was official that Gruden got the boot. Not that I'm particularly enamored, but he did win a SUPER BOWL. Once again we're going with an unproven, which is fine; but they don't even make the CALL before they hire Ryan? I hate the Jets. Hell, maybe I'll just kick myself in my own ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Heeee, I was wondering why this was in the Lounge. Hey, I want to know right here and right now why the Jets didn't even pick up the phone when it was official that Gruden got the boot. Not that I'm particularly enamored, but he did win a SUPER BOWL. Once again we're going with an unproven, which is fine; but they don't even make the CALL before they hire Ryan? I hate the Jets. Hell, maybe I'll just kick myself in my own ass. Because anyone can catch lightning in a bottle, getting hot and winning the Super Bowl. Whisenhunt may very well do it with a 9-7 team and if he got the right breaks a few years back with the Brien kicks, even numbskull Herm could have possibly gone to the SB. Winning the SB once does not make you a great coach, it is the consistent body of work (recent history) that should be the factor. Gruden's recent history and overall body of work is not that impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I think we'll at the very least be decent offensively because of our strong O-line. That's the most important unit and it's sorted. QB needs to be resolved and it's can't be Brett Favre. We have some talent on defense in the likes of Jenkins, Pace, Harris, Rhodes, Revis etc. and I believe Ryan and co. will turn that into a very, VERY strong group. If we can get an adequate QB solution, hopefully Clemens, Ratliff or some other young QB, then I actually think we're in pretty good shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Heeee, I was wondering why this was in the Lounge. Hey, I want to know right here and right now why the Jets didn't even pick up the phone when it was official that Gruden got the boot. Not that I'm particularly enamored, but he did win a SUPER BOWL. Once again we're going with an unproven, which is fine; but they don't even make the CALL before they hire Ryan? I hate the Jets. Hell, maybe I'll just kick myself in my own ass. were you alive in 1969? i got that going for me... And so let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania. Let freedom ring from the snow-capped Rockies of Colorado. Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California. But not only that: Let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia. Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee. Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring. I can die now:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I can die now:D Then you will miss the upcoming multiple super bowls.. so sad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Then you will miss the upcoming multiple super bowls.. so sad! Nah heaven has HDTV or if hell ... analog with strong rabbit ears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetophile Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Because anyone can catch lightning in a bottle, getting hot and winning the Super Bowl. Whisenhunt may very well do it with a 9-7 team and if he got the right breaks a few years back with the Brien kicks, even numbskull Herm could have possibly gone to the SB. Winning the SB once does not make you a great coach, it is the consistent body of work (recent history) that should be the factor. Gruden's recent history and overall body of work is not that impressive.My point is, the Jets don't MAKE THE PHONE CALL?! Besides, firing that fat mouth Keyshawn, that was purty. EDIT & P.S.: Yeah, well, numbskull Herm didn't win no Super Bowl...but he did watch out for horses in Central Park that had blinders on! And it wasn't a train, it was a flashlight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 How does that in any way, shape, or form make sense? He owns the team, the team is his business. If he actually did not care about the team, why wouldn't he sell it? If the team sucks, revenue goes down and Woody doesn't make money or sell PSLs. Of course he cares how they do. That's just what you wish to think to complain about something. HE CARES ABOUT THE $$$$. AS LONG AS IT MAKES HIM $$$, HE DOESNT CARE HOW IT AFFECTS THE TEAM. SEE: THE BRETT FAVRE TRADE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 HE CARES ABOUT THE $$$$. AS LONG AS IT MAKES HIM $$$, HE DOESNT CARE HOW IT AFFECTS THE TEAM. SEE: THE BRETT FAVRE TRADE Of course he cares about the $$. It's a business. You may not view it as one, but that's what it is. It's all about profit maximization. But i'm asking you why you take it as if it's a crime. But the system works because winning is correlated with revenue, and he makes decisions that helps us win so he can make that money. And backtrack a minute here. We had an uncertain QB competition with an unimpressive Clemens and Chad who looked terrible the year before. With the information he had, he brings in Favre who was good for us until the last 5 weeks of the year. Was Woody supposed to know that Favre was gonna play like crap only in the 5 weeks? Why don't you actually try thinking about the situation instead of just bemoaning the end result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Besides the fact we are completely unsettled at the most important position in football, sure we're in great shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shutout Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Heeee, I was wondering why this was in the Lounge. Hey, I want to know right here and right now why the Jets didn't even pick up the phone when it was official that Gruden got the boot. Not that I'm particularly enamored, but he did win a SUPER BOWL. Once again we're going with an unproven, which is fine; but they don't even make the CALL before they hire Ryan? I hate the Jets. Hell, maybe I'll just kick myself in my own ass. Probably because they had an unannounced agreement with Ryan (yeah probably tampering....good luck proving it ) That and they couldn't afford to bring in 6 more QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 YES THE F'ING ARE. THEY HAVE AN OWNER WHO COULDN'T GIVE A SH*T ABOUT HOW THE TEAM DOES... THEY HAVE NO QB, AND AN UNPROVEN COACH. HOW THE F ARE THEY NOT IN BAD SHAPE?? THE FRANCHISE IS A DAMNED MESS. DEAL WITH IT! Again, HOW can you say this owner does not care about how the team does. Last year he opened up the checkbook about as wide as you can possibly get, and when Mangini screwed the pooch he fired him the DAY AFTER. that is badass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqua4ever04 Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 YES THE F'ING ARE. THEY HAVE AN OWNER WHO COULDN'T GIVE A SH*T ABOUT HOW THE TEAM DOES... THEY HAVE NO QB, AND AN UNPROVEN COACH. HOW THE F ARE THEY NOT IN BAD SHAPE?? THE FRANCHISE IS A DAMNED MESS. DEAL WITH IT! I wouldn't go to that extreme, but I think they are in much worse shape than a lot of folks around here are leading on. Being above the cap isn't exactly a good thing and there are age concerns all over the place. As for having faith in Taunenbaum; this is a guy that allowed Chad Pennington to walk right into Miami and make them a very good football team. All he has to do is slap a 7th rounder on him, and Minnesota bites leaving the Dolphins in a serious state of flux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 1) The cap is 10mill over, but expected to rise by 7 mill. Thus, 3 over in actuality. The loss of Farve is 13 mill alone so the Jets are under when Favre announces his retirement (hopefully), plus there are a number of veterans who will restructure. So the Jets cap is not that bad this year and long term is in great shape. 2) Guys like Law are not expected back. Pace is only 28 years old. The Jets roster is on the younger side (pro bowl alternate DBrick and pro bowl Mangold and Revis all young) 3) In terms of Tanny, he has added 7 pro bowlers, 6 if you exclude Favre. He's drafted very well with a pro bowl alternate LT in DBrick and a pro bowl corner in Revis. Gholston who knows? With Rex he may turn out well. Mangini played a different (read and react) 3-4 defense. Let's Go Jets! I don't think they are in such bad shape, but they aren't sitting so pretty either. They may be under the cap, but as Slats said, they are limited in the amount of restructuring they can do this year. I'm sure that guys like Barret will be cut and clear some dead wood, but Barton is an UFA and never counted against the cap and he has to be replaced. As it sits now they may have to scramble to sign their draft picks. Long term there is no cap, so nobody knows what kind of shape we are in. The roster may be young, but those seven pro-bowlers that they added included Richardson and Favre who may well not come back and Faneca and Jenkins who are not exactly young. If the QB situation is sorted things are fine, but that's the most important spot and they have a huge question mark there. Or four huge question marks if you prefer. I like the Rex Ryan attacking D better than the Belichick sit back 2 gap, but hiring Rex doesn't solve the D. Things may be worse before they get better. The D is slow and has no natural pass rushers. Ryan seems like he likes a D based on speed and the Jets front 7 is fast for DEs, but dog slow for LBs. Things are not pretty when you send 6 and have Lowery/Poteat/Barrett in coverage and believe it or not it happened plenty this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 people call me crazy when I say that the jets could get scott, lehonard and greer due to cap space, but I know losing favre, barton, thomas, and barret gives us room for leohanrd greer and scott. plus im sure we will restructure and release other people to. remember this difference between teams. we still have that 8-3 team but people say "yeah but we have the team that choked to" well my answer to that is we have that 8-3 team but dont have the coaching that made us 9-7 Barton isn't on the cap. He's an UFA that has to be replaced. If Favre doesn't leave they are over. Barrett will either restructure or be gone, but his money will probably not even pay for the draft picks. Thomas got a huge signing bonus and cutting him nets like $500K. Not exactly Bart Scott spending money. I hate Thomas as much as anybody, but he is probably safe based on all the dead money he brings. They are not going on a spending spree. Period. If you think otherwise you are delusional. Coles money is guaranteed. AFAIK, Ellis, Brandon Moore and Baker are the guys other guys that have a solid chance of being dumped for salary and it's a shame because they are all solid players. Fact is that if they do all that they are replacing starters at QB, ILB, DE, G, TE and a borderline starter at CB/S/Nickel. They only have solid players behind Baker and Barrett. The rest are holes that need to be filled. I wouldn't go to that extreme, but I think they are in much worse shape than a lot of folks around here are leading on. Being above the cap isn't exactly a good thing and there are age concerns all over the place. As for having faith in Taunenbaum; this is a guy that allowed Chad Pennington to walk right into Miami and make them a very good football team. All he has to do is slap a 7th rounder on him, and Minnesota bites leaving the Dolphins in a serious state of flux. If he were making the money he Jets had on his contract the Dolphins would jump at a 7th for him. In fact, you'll probably be begging for a seventh after this year. Nobody was offering one. Don't kid yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 YES THE F'ING ARE. THEY HAVE AN OWNER WHO COULDN'T GIVE A SH*T ABOUT HOW THE TEAM DOES... THEY HAVE NO QB, AND AN UNPROVEN COACH. HOW THE F ARE THEY NOT IN BAD SHAPE?? THE FRANCHISE IS A DAMNED MESS. DEAL WITH IT! Do you need a hug? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 20, 2009 Author Share Posted January 20, 2009 I wouldn't go to that extreme, but I think they are in much worse shape than a lot of folks around here are leading on. Being above the cap isn't exactly a good thing and there are age concerns all over the place. As for having faith in Taunenbaum; this is a guy that allowed Chad Pennington to walk right into Miami and make them a very good football team. All he has to do is slap a 7th rounder on him, and Minnesota bites leaving the Dolphins in a serious state of flux. Wrong, wrong, wrong. You still don't get it. Some teams are better than their records. Some teams are worse than their records. You had a very good season...you are NOT a very good football team. Plus, we now have the HC that will prove my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Wrong, wrong, wrong. You still don't get it. Some teams are better than their records. Some teams are worse than their records. You had a very good season...you are NOT a very good football team. Plus, we now have the HC that will prove my point. Are you suggesting the 10-win Jets in 2006 weren't really a very good team that was primed to do even better a year later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 20, 2009 Author Share Posted January 20, 2009 Are you suggesting the 10-win Jets in 2006 weren't really a very good team that was primed to do even better a year later? Like the fins of '08, we benefited from a weak schedule. Fins are in for wake up call in '09. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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