Morrissey Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9112648/ Don't be foolish, the Yankees aren't done yet by Ken Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal has been the senior baseball writer for FOXSports.com since Aug. 2005. He appears weekly on the FSN Baseball Report and MLB on FOX. Updated: January 21, 2009, 12:37 PM EST 340 comments The Yankees aren't done. And if the prices are right, they should give strong consideration to signing free-agent right-hander Ben Sheets as their fifth starter and righty Juan Cruz as a setup reliever. The extent of the Yankees' interest in Sheets and Cruz is not known, but even after adding CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett and re-signing Damaso Marte, the team continues to explore the markets for both starters and relievers. Both Sheets and Cruz are Type A free agents who were offered salary arbitration, but they would cost the Yankees only fourth- and fifth-round draft picks. The Yankees already have signed three higher-ranking free agents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 damon L jeter R arod R tex B matsui R posada B cano L Nady R Melky B i'd like another pitcher though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I want Melky gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I'd love to get Sheets in here. I'm aware he has injury problems but I think his stuff is NASTY and we can get some important wins out of him. Maybe alternate him with one of the young guys, keep both pitch counts down. JMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 I'd love to get Sheets in here. I'm aware he has injury problems but I think his stuff is NASTY and we can get some important wins out of him. Maybe alternate him with one of the young guys, keep both pitch counts down. JMO. If it's true we can get him on a 1 year basis for the price rang Rosenthal listed, than I jump at that. Sabathia Sheets Wang Burnett Chamberlain The upside of that rotation is HUGE. Thats five #1 pitchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 If it's true we can get him on a 1 year basis for the price rang Rosenthal listed, than I jump at that. Sabathia Sheets Wang Burnett Chamberlain The upside of that rotation is HUGE. Thats five #1 pitchers. The backlash over at JI from the Mets fans would be huge for that comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 The backlash over at JI from the Mets fans would be huge for that comment. I don't see how anyone can argue that everyone in that staff has #1 stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I don't see how anyone can argue that everyone in that staff has #1 stuff. I definitely agree with you, but knowing how the Mets people over there react, it would be funny to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 If it's true we can get him on a 1 year basis for the price rang Rosenthal listed, than I jump at that. Sabathia Sheets Wang Burnett Chamberlain The upside of that rotation is HUGE. Thats five #1 pitchers. Exactly. Joba would be our "weakest" pitcher. Still I'd throw Hughes at the bottom and move Joba to the pen and get one more guy for the pen for the simple reason that with Sheets and AJ you have injury history and you want to keep CC's innings down this year as well, you go ahead and take care of them by bolstering a bullpen that won't cough up 2 run leads often. JMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 Exactly. Joba would be our "weakest" pitcher. Still I'd throw Hughes at the bottom and move Joba to the pen and get one more guy for the pen for the simple reason that with Sheets and AJ you have injury history and you want to keep CC's innings down this year as well, you go ahead and take care of them by bolstering a bullpen that won't cough up 2 run leads often. JMO. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Yeah I'm a fan of Joba in the rotation as well. And not a fan of the Joba Bullpen argument at all. Francesa kills me with that ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Haha. I'm a fan of either or to be honest because he can be effective either way. I was just saying that because I'm still not sure on what the hell to think about Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Yeah, start Chamberlain all year, get him above 200 innings + playoffs and then he can be the next Mark Prior. Maybe the Pirates can give him a shot in 5 years or so after he's done rehabbing. Could be sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 Yeah, start Chamberlain all year, get him above 200 innings + playoffs and then he can be the next Mark Prior. Maybe the Pirates can give him a shot in 5 years or so after he's done rehabbing. Could be sweet. Joba has innings limit, probably around 150. Maybe the Giants should put Lincecum in the bullpen, so he doesn't end up being the next Mark Prior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Joba has innings limit, probably around 150. Maybe the Giants should put Lincecum in the bullpen, so he doesn't end up being the next Mark Prior. Did Lincecum have injury concerns when he was drafted? Quite frankly when it boils down to it I trust Girardi in doing the right thing. I think either way it's a win for us. I don't get the hate for either decision. We either have a kid who can win us a bunch of games in the 5 spot or be part of the best, THE BEST 1-2 punch in baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 If it's true we can get him on a 1 year basis for the price rang Rosenthal listed, than I jump at that. Sabathia Sheets Wang Burnett Chamberlain The upside of that rotation is HUGE. Thats five #1 pitchers. Sheets and Burnett have never been healthy enough to ever be considered a #1. Good stuff, but really neither has had a year that makes you go wow. Wang is a solid pitcher... in the regular season. CC is a bona fide #1. I'll give you that. Joba has good stuff. Can he stay healthy? Is he even a starter? Overall, a pretty outlandish comment made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 Sheets and Burnett have never been healthy enough to ever be considered a #1. Good stuff, but really neither has had a year that makes you go wow. Wang is a solid pitcher... in the regular season. CC is a bona fide #1. I'll give you that. Joba has good stuff. Can he stay healthy? Is he even a starter? Overall, a pretty outlandish comment made. Notice I said upside. Every starter would have the potential to be a #1. They all have #1 stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Joba has innings limit, probably around 150. Maybe the Giants should put Lincecum in the bullpen, so he doesn't end up being the next Mark Prior. A little late for it if they do. I won't be surprised if he missed some time this year. Course I'm sure that medical technology has improved in the last 5 years to where Prior might have been able to at least come back and be a productive pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 When are they going to sign Manny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 A little late for it if they do. I won't be surprised if he missed some time this year. Course I'm sure that medical technology has improved in the last 5 years to where Prior might have been able to at least come back and be a productive pitcher. It has nothing to do with medical technology, it's about being a smart organization. It's about not making a 22-23 year old throw 212 innings after only throwing 116 innings the season before, that's what the Cubs did with Prior. I've heard Brian Cashman talk on this subject many times, and he has said he only wants his pitchers to increase 40 innings or so year by year during there development process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Notice I said upside. Every starter would have the potential to be a #1. They all have #1 stuff. If Burnett hasn't put it together by 32, he probably never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 If Burnett hasn't put it together by 32, he probably never will. I would argue Burnett, when on, has the best stuff out of them all. Unfortunately he doesn't always have his best stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 So all young pitchers hurt their arms? I don't get this whole walking on egg shells thing. There is no guarantee he hurts his arm if he pitches a full year. You could also always skip on if his starts every once in a while for hughes. ****ing put Hughes in the pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 If it's true we can get him on a 1 year basis for the price rang Rosenthal listed, than I jump at that. Sabathia Sheets Wang Burnett Chamberlain The upside of that rotation is HUGE. Thats five #1 pitchers. I don't consider Burnett a #1 but a healthy Sheets is as good as anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Sheets and Burnett have never been healthy enough to ever be considered a #1. Good stuff, but really neither has had a year that makes you go wow. Wang is a solid pitcher... in the regular season. CC is a bona fide #1. I'll give you that. Joba has good stuff. Can he stay healthy? Is he even a starter? Overall, a pretty outlandish comment made. LOL...get used to those from Tyler when it comes to the Yankees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 I suggest you look up the definition of the word upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I suggest you look up the definition of the word upside. I suggest you do it too. Upside is usually reserved for those under the age of 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I suggest you look up the definition of the word upside. Look up the definition of the word homer. There's a picture of CrazyCarl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Look up the definition of the word homer. There's a picture of CrazyCarl. Oh Barton. You one trick pony you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 If your pitcher throws 30+ more innings then the year before, chances are the next year he'll break down. There's a good read in Sporting News' Fantasy Baseball issue about this. Facts and stuff to back it up. Guess whose number one on there list to break down this year, John Lester. While I don't wish injury on anyone, arm troubles for him could hurt the Sox a lot this year. He's pitched a crazy amount of innings in 08 then he did in 07. I wanna say like 79 more. Too lazy to get the magazine right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Oh Barton. You one trick pony you. At least he has a trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 If your pitcher throws 30+ more innings then the year before, chances are the next year he'll break down. There's a good read in Sporting News' Fantasy Baseball issue about this. Facts and stuff to back it up. Guess whose number one on there list to break down this year, John Lester. While I don't wish injury on anyone, arm troubles for him could hurt the Sox a lot this year. He's pitched a crazy amount of innings in 08 then he did in 07. I wanna say like 79 more. Too lazy to get the magazine right now. So what, rookie pitchers can't pitch now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 So what, rookie pitchers can't pitch now? Minors count too, dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Minors count too, dick. It is dumb, these guys are fragile pussies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Nothings changed, these guys aren't pussies. You can throw around old dudes that toughed it out all you want. But theres science behind this stuff, and young pitchers are investments now. Investments that you have to look out for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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