TNJet Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Because I want another offensive playmaker at WR,or even maybe Mark Sanchez... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Because I want another offensive playmaker at WR,or even maybe Mark Sanchez... I've been saying all along that I'd like to see us add a WR . Cole's attitude and disappearing act at times is wearing thin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Because I want another offensive playmaker at WR,or even maybe Mark Sanchez... assmop just told me Kiper has us taking Percy Harvin, WR from Florida in his latest Mock draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LWC611 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 We need to be able to put pressure on opposing QBs. We need an edge rusher or/and another CB to compliment Revis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 assmop just told me Kiper has us taking Percy Harvin, WR from Florida in his latest Mock draft Gimme Hakeem Nicks or Maclin over Harvin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Call me crazy but at 17 I see us simply taking the best (our highest rated) player available whether it be offensive or defensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Gimme Hakeem Nicks or Maclin over Harvin. just talked to assmop and i think he agrees with u,,i know he likes nicks and he thinks harvin injury prone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Because I want another offensive playmaker at WR,or even maybe Mark Sanchez... I agree with you. Coles and Cotchery are both more possession type receivers rather than game breakers. I feel good about Keller in his second year, and I hope Clowney and/or Stuckey continue to develop - but I'd love a stud at WR. We need to be able to put pressure on opposing QBs. We need an edge rusher or/and another CB to compliment Revis On defense, I think the problem has been more coaching than talent. Rex and his buddy Mike Pettine are going to be completely focused on that of the ball. I think you'll see Gholston on the field in '09, and I don't think you'll see him even trying to drop back into coverage. I'd like to see CB addressed as early as the second round, and the DL adressed somewhere along the way - especially if a nice 3-4 DE prospect falls to the right spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Call me crazy but at 17 I see us simply taking the best (our highest rated) player available whether it be offensive or defensive. always ruining all the fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Call me crazy but at 17 I see us simply taking the best (our highest rated) player available whether it be offensive or defensive. They'll have a board, but it'll be weighted towards team needs. You have two closely rated players, you take the one that better fits a hole on your roster. CB's and WR's getting a higher priority than OLB's or interior OL, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 There is zero chance we draft a 4-3 DE/3-4 OLB prospect at #17 this year no matter who is on the board when we pick. Zero. And the only way we draft anyone on the OL at #17 is if we decline to pay Moore's roster bonus before the draft. If we pay it, there's no chance of that happening either no matter who is on the board. So you can pretty-much knock those two positions off the board right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I think they need to draft a 4th string TE/long-snapper in anticipation of James Death's prolonged holdout as he looks for a substantial raise this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 They'll have a board, but it'll be weighted towards team needs. You have two closely rated players, you take the one that better fits a hole on your roster. CB's and WR's getting a higher priority than OLB's or interior OL, for example. Agreed. What I'm saying is that the position a player plays will already contribute to where he is ranked on our overall board. So, at 17, we take the highest available regardless of position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Agreed. What I'm saying is that the position a player plays will already contribute to where he is ranked on our overall board. So, at 17, we take the highest available regardless of position. You don't do that 1) at a position you're totally set at for years 2) at a position you're have just invested a fortune in less than 1 year ago 3) instead of a similarly-ranked prospect at a position of dire need. Lesson:do NOT re-draft Bryan Thomas because he has "playmaker" numbers when you already have Abraham & Ellis, instead of drafting "just a safety and you can get them anywhere" in Ed Reed. Get what you need to make the team better, not who Mel Kiper says is the highest-ceiling guy available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 They'll have a board, but it'll be weighted towards team needs. You have two closely rated players, you take the one that better fits a hole on your roster. CB's and WR's getting a higher priority than OLB's or interior OL, for example. You don't do that 1) at a position you're totally set at for years 2) at a position you're have just invested a fortune in less than 1 year ago 3) instead of a similarly-ranked prospect at a position of dire need. Lesson:do NOT re-draft Bryan Thomas because he has "playmaker" numbers when you already have Abraham & Ellis, instead of drafting "just a safety and you can get them anywhere" in Ed Reed. Get what you need to make the team better, not who Mel Kiper says is the highest-ceiling guy available. I must not be explaining this well. I'm not talking about Mel Kiper's draft list. I'm talking about a draft list (or ranking) the Jets coaches put together specifically for our team and our needs. So for example, a NT that might be high on Kiper's list would be down ours since we have a great one already who is still under 30 years old. Our coaches will put together a master list with OUR NEEDS being the determining factor of who is ranked where. From there, I'm saying they should take the highest player available at 17 regardless of offense or defense since, more than likely, he would only be ranked that high because he fills a need. And, while I'm agreeing with you that you should use the draft to fill needs more so than just taking the best player available at all times, good thing nobody told the Giants that when they drafted Justin Tuck and Mathias Kiwanucka even though they already had Michael Strahan and Osi Umenyora. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 from what he said, i think we draft the best player avail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 And, while I'm agreeing with you that you should use the draft to fill needs more so than just taking the best player available at all times, good thing nobody told the Giants that when they drafted Justin Tuck and Mathias Kiwanucka even though they already had Michael Strahan and Osi Umenyora. I thought the same thing when I read Sperm's post and was going to reply, until I realized that Strahan was 35 years old when the Giants drafted Kiwanuka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I thought the same thing when I read Sperm's post and was going to reply, until I realized that Strahan was 35 years old when the Giants drafted Kiwanuka. Agreed, but Strahan was coming off of the following seasons: 22.5 sacks at 30 yrs old 11.0 sacks at 31 yrs old 18.5 sacks at 32 yrs old 11.5 sacks at 34 yrs old AND they already had Umenyora and Tuck following him. When drafting Kiwanuka, they still had best starting tandem of DEs in the NFL in Strahan and Umenyora, and a 1st round pick in Tuck ready to move in when Strahan did retire. Drafting Kiwanuka was drafting a FOURTH DE. I'm sure they are glad they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudicus Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Tuck was a late round guy, low risk, they drafted Kiwanuka to be Strahan's replacement. A mock draft now is either going by the "writer's" opinion of the teams top need and who they think will be available or in Kipers case simply a list of all the top ranked players going to teams that would have a use for them. Frankly they are all pointless until most of the top tier free agents are signed and we have a good idea of where the holes really are. In a vaccum right now, given the team needs ahead of us and the current player rankings Maualuga, DJ Moore, Vontae Davis, Maclin, Harvin, Sanchez, Jackson, McCoy, and Moreno all have a chance of being available to us. Free Ageny should narrow that down a fair bit, unless we sign no one which would mean either Ryan is happy with what we have or...couldn't clear enough cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Agreed, but Strahan was coming off of the following seasons: 22.5 sacks at 30 yrs old 11.0 sacks at 31 yrs old 18.5 sacks at 32 yrs old 11.5 sacks at 34 yrs old AND they already had Umenyora and Tuck following him. When drafting Kiwanuka, they still had best starting tandem of DEs in the NFL in Strahan and Umenyora, and a 1st round pick in Tuck ready to move in when Strahan did retire. Drafting Kiwanuka was drafting a FOURTH DE. I'm sure they are glad they did. I understand that Strahan was uncharacteristically productive as a DE entering his mid-30's, but you had to expect he was going to hit a wall or retire in the not-too-distant future. And Tuck was a 3rd Round pick (huge difference from a #1) who had all of one sack in his rookie season in '05. That's not to say that there wasn't some promise evident, but it's not like he was already the disruptive force he has become today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I understand that Strahan was uncharacteristically productive as a DE entering his mid-30's, but you had to expect he was going to hit a wall or retire in the not-too-distant future. And Tuck was a 3rd Round pick (huge difference from a #1) who had all of one sack in his rookie season in '05. That's not to say that there wasn't some promise evident, but it's not like he was already the disruptive force he has become today. Oops. Right you are. I screwed that one up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 The Giants use DEs sometimes at DT. Spags was sometimes using all these guys at the same time. Mangini used Ellis at NT on obvious passing downs, getting Gholston on the field together with Pace and Thomas. So there is a decent chance the Jets draft a hybrid DE/OLB, especially if Thomas is set free. I think the Jets will be well served by taking a RB. These guys have slipped in recent drafts because some teams have had so much success plugging RBs in behind strong O-lines (Giants and Denver being best examples). But all thing being equal I think its very important for the Jets to begin to look beyond the Thomas Jones era. RB also fits into Ryan's stated philosophy of having a weather proof team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I must not be explaining this well. I'm not talking about Mel Kiper's draft list. I'm talking about a draft list (or ranking) the Jets coaches put together specifically for our team and our needs. So for example, a NT that might be high on Kiper's list would be down ours since we have a great one already who is still under 30 years old. Our coaches will put together a master list with OUR NEEDS being the determining factor of who is ranked where. From there, I'm saying they should take the highest player available at 17 regardless of offense or defense since, more than likely, he would only be ranked that high because he fills a need. And, while I'm agreeing with you that you should use the draft to fill needs more so than just taking the best player available at all times, good thing nobody told the Giants that when they drafted Justin Tuck and Mathias Kiwanucka even though they already had Michael Strahan and Osi Umenyora. Totally different. Kiwanuka was drafted to play LB (why I don't know). When they drafted Tuck, Kiwanuka was already playing LB. When each of them were drafted, Strahan was playing Favre's "I'm staying" / "I'm retiring" game. If I recall, in 2007 when they drafted Tuck (in round 3, not round 1), Strahan missed all of camp in his "just about retired" mode. All of our OLmen are signed long-term. Both of our OLB'ers are signed long-term & for big money. Zero chance they draft an OLB in this year's draft before Ryan has a chance to work with Gholston through a single practice, and with Pace already slotted in as a starter. There...is...no...way...the...New...York...Jets...are...drafting...an...OLB...for...the...3-4...in...round...one...this...year. Same goes for OL unless we decide not to pay Moore's RB in March. If we do pay it, then the same applies to the OL. Under no circumstances. No matter who is available. No matter how highly they rank an available player. There is no chance. None. Nada. Zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Totally different. Kiwanuka was drafted to play LB (why I don't know). When they drafted Tuck, Kiwanuka was already playing LB. When each of them were drafted, Strahan was playing Favre's "I'm staying" / "I'm retiring" game. If I recall, in 2007 when they drafted Tuck (in round 3, not round 1), Strahan missed all of camp in his "just about retired" mode. Kiwanucka was drafted AFTER Tuck, not before. And he was drafted to play DE. He didn't switch to LB until last year, 2007. And, it was 2007 when he sat out camp. Kiwanucka was drafted in 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 assmop just told me Kiper has us taking Percy Harvin, WR from Florida in his latest Mock draft I heard this from Kiper also, I really hope he is wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Kiwanucka was drafted AFTER Tuck, not before. And he was drafted to play DE. He didn't switch to LB until last year, 2007. And, it was 2007 when he sat out camp. Kiwanucka was drafted in 2006. I thought Kiwanuka was drafted in '06 and Tuck in '07. My bad. I was thinking of Alford. The principle still applies. Strahan has been playing "I might retire" every year for a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 All of our OLmen are signed long-term. Both of our OLB'ers are signed long-term & for big money. Zero chance they draft an OLB in this year's draft before Ryan has a chance to work with Gholston through a single practice, and with Pace already slotted in as a starter. There...is...no...way...the...New...York...Jets...are...drafting...an...OLB...for...the...3-4...in...round...one...this...year. Same goes for OL unless we decide not to pay Moore's RB in March. If we do pay it, then the same applies to the OL. Under no circumstances. No matter who is available. No matter how highly they rank an available player. There is no chance. None. Nada. Zero. BTW, do you think I am disagreeing with this? Is that why you posted it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 BTW, do you think I am disagreeing with this? Is that why you posted it? I don't know. I didn't really read your post to be honest & don't know who I replied to. I'm a dick & just like taking an argumentative tone with all of my replies. Ask anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 All Buddy Ryan ever drafted was defense. I see Rex being the same and trying to build a super unit on D. jmho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 All Buddy Ryan ever drafted was defense. I see Rex being the same and trying to build a super unit on D. jmho. Rex said he wants to be a better HC than his dad. Thus, he's not going to follow what his dad did in the draft. I agree with JMJ & Sperm. The Jets are drafting BAP EXCEPT for OLB and OL, except if they let go of Moore (which I seriously doubt will happen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I don't know. I didn't really read your post to be honest & don't know who I replied to. I'm a dick & just like taking an argumentative tone with all of my replies. Ask anybody. LOL. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain_the_foe Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Call me crazy but at 17 I see us simply taking the best (our highest rated) player available whether it be offensive or defensive. That would be a Bill Parcells move. Either way it'll benefit, Its not like we dont need some pieces on both sides of the ball, and we seem to do well with our 4th round picks as well. However, I say for our first round pick we have to take the best Defender at the time (Safety/Corner or DE. I think we're okay at the LB position especially with Rex overseeing them). However, We need to draft with our 2nd & 3rd, or 2nd & 4th a WR. We REALLY need help at this position. I was really hoping that Marcus Henry would be a late round catch, but I havent heard anything from him. David Clowney seems quite promising, but I think that we will still need another fast WR given that Cotchery fa'sho has the hands but his speed is suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.