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Because I want another offensive playmaker at WR,or even maybe Mark Sanchez...

I agree with you. Coles and Cotchery are both more possession type receivers rather than game breakers. I feel good about Keller in his second year, and I hope Clowney and/or Stuckey continue to develop - but I'd love a stud at WR.

We need to be able to put pressure on opposing QBs. We need an edge rusher or/and another CB to compliment Revis

On defense, I think the problem has been more coaching than talent. Rex and his buddy Mike Pettine are going to be completely focused on that of the ball. I think you'll see Gholston on the field in '09, and I don't think you'll see him even trying to drop back into coverage.

I'd like to see CB addressed as early as the second round, and the DL adressed somewhere along the way - especially if a nice 3-4 DE prospect falls to the right spot.

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Call me crazy but at 17 I see us simply taking the best (our highest rated) player available whether it be offensive or defensive.

They'll have a board, but it'll be weighted towards team needs. You have two closely rated players, you take the one that better fits a hole on your roster. CB's and WR's getting a higher priority than OLB's or interior OL, for example.

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There is zero chance we draft a 4-3 DE/3-4 OLB prospect at #17 this year no matter who is on the board when we pick. Zero.

And the only way we draft anyone on the OL at #17 is if we decline to pay Moore's roster bonus before the draft. If we pay it, there's no chance of that happening either no matter who is on the board.

So you can pretty-much knock those two positions off the board right away.

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They'll have a board, but it'll be weighted towards team needs. You have two closely rated players, you take the one that better fits a hole on your roster. CB's and WR's getting a higher priority than OLB's or interior OL, for example.

Agreed. What I'm saying is that the position a player plays will already contribute to where he is ranked on our overall board. So, at 17, we take the highest available regardless of position.

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Agreed. What I'm saying is that the position a player plays will already contribute to where he is ranked on our overall board. So, at 17, we take the highest available regardless of position.

You don't do that

1) at a position you're totally set at for years

2) at a position you're have just invested a fortune in less than 1 year ago

3) instead of a similarly-ranked prospect at a position of dire need.

Lesson:do NOT re-draft Bryan Thomas because he has "playmaker" numbers when you already have Abraham & Ellis, instead of drafting "just a safety and you can get them anywhere" in Ed Reed.

Get what you need to make the team better, not who Mel Kiper says is the highest-ceiling guy available.

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They'll have a board, but it'll be weighted towards team needs. You have two closely rated players, you take the one that better fits a hole on your roster. CB's and WR's getting a higher priority than OLB's or interior OL, for example.

You don't do that

1) at a position you're totally set at for years

2) at a position you're have just invested a fortune in less than 1 year ago

3) instead of a similarly-ranked prospect at a position of dire need.

Lesson:do NOT re-draft Bryan Thomas because he has "playmaker" numbers when you already have Abraham & Ellis, instead of drafting "just a safety and you can get them anywhere" in Ed Reed.

Get what you need to make the team better, not who Mel Kiper says is the highest-ceiling guy available.

I must not be explaining this well.

I'm not talking about Mel Kiper's draft list. I'm talking about a draft list (or ranking) the Jets coaches put together specifically for our team and our needs. So for example, a NT that might be high on Kiper's list would be down ours since we have a great one already who is still under 30 years old.

Our coaches will put together a master list with OUR NEEDS being the determining factor of who is ranked where. From there, I'm saying they should take the highest player available at 17 regardless of offense or defense since, more than likely, he would only be ranked that high because he fills a need.

And, while I'm agreeing with you that you should use the draft to fill needs more so than just taking the best player available at all times, good thing nobody told the Giants that when they drafted Justin Tuck and Mathias Kiwanucka even though they already had Michael Strahan and Osi Umenyora. ;)

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And, while I'm agreeing with you that you should use the draft to fill needs more so than just taking the best player available at all times, good thing nobody told the Giants that when they drafted Justin Tuck and Mathias Kiwanucka even though they already had Michael Strahan and Osi Umenyora. ;)

I thought the same thing when I read Sperm's post and was going to reply, until I realized that Strahan was 35 years old when the Giants drafted Kiwanuka.

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I thought the same thing when I read Sperm's post and was going to reply, until I realized that Strahan was 35 years old when the Giants drafted Kiwanuka.

Agreed, but Strahan was coming off of the following seasons:

22.5 sacks at 30 yrs old

11.0 sacks at 31 yrs old

18.5 sacks at 32 yrs old

11.5 sacks at 34 yrs old

AND they already had Umenyora and Tuck following him. When drafting Kiwanuka, they still had best starting tandem of DEs in the NFL in Strahan and Umenyora, and a 1st round pick in Tuck ready to move in when Strahan did retire. Drafting Kiwanuka was drafting a FOURTH DE.

I'm sure they are glad they did.

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Tuck was a late round guy, low risk, they drafted Kiwanuka to be Strahan's replacement. A mock draft now is either going by the "writer's" opinion of the teams top need and who they think will be available or in Kipers case simply a list of all the top ranked players going to teams that would have a use for them.

Frankly they are all pointless until most of the top tier free agents are signed and we have a good idea of where the holes really are. In a vaccum right now, given the team needs ahead of us and the current player rankings Maualuga, DJ Moore, Vontae Davis, Maclin, Harvin, Sanchez, Jackson, McCoy, and Moreno all have a chance of being available to us. Free Ageny should narrow that down a fair bit, unless we sign no one which would mean either Ryan is happy with what we have or...couldn't clear enough cap.

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Agreed, but Strahan was coming off of the following seasons:

22.5 sacks at 30 yrs old

11.0 sacks at 31 yrs old

18.5 sacks at 32 yrs old

11.5 sacks at 34 yrs old

AND they already had Umenyora and Tuck following him. When drafting Kiwanuka, they still had best starting tandem of DEs in the NFL in Strahan and Umenyora, and a 1st round pick in Tuck ready to move in when Strahan did retire. Drafting Kiwanuka was drafting a FOURTH DE.

I'm sure they are glad they did.

I understand that Strahan was uncharacteristically productive as a DE entering his mid-30's, but you had to expect he was going to hit a wall or retire in the not-too-distant future.

And Tuck was a 3rd Round pick (huge difference from a #1) who had all of one sack in his rookie season in '05. That's not to say that there wasn't some promise evident, but it's not like he was already the disruptive force he has become today.

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I understand that Strahan was uncharacteristically productive as a DE entering his mid-30's, but you had to expect he was going to hit a wall or retire in the not-too-distant future.

And Tuck was a 3rd Round pick (huge difference from a #1) who had all of one sack in his rookie season in '05. That's not to say that there wasn't some promise evident, but it's not like he was already the disruptive force he has become today.

Oops.

Right you are. I screwed that one up. :bag:

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The Giants use DEs sometimes at DT. Spags was sometimes using all these guys at the same time. Mangini used Ellis at NT on obvious passing downs, getting Gholston on the field together with Pace and Thomas.

So there is a decent chance the Jets draft a hybrid DE/OLB, especially if Thomas is set free.

I think the Jets will be well served by taking a RB. These guys have slipped in recent drafts because some teams have had so much success plugging RBs in behind strong O-lines (Giants and Denver being best examples). But all thing being equal I think its very important for the Jets to begin to look beyond the Thomas Jones era. RB also fits into Ryan's stated philosophy of having a weather proof team.

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I must not be explaining this well.

I'm not talking about Mel Kiper's draft list. I'm talking about a draft list (or ranking) the Jets coaches put together specifically for our team and our needs. So for example, a NT that might be high on Kiper's list would be down ours since we have a great one already who is still under 30 years old.

Our coaches will put together a master list with OUR NEEDS being the determining factor of who is ranked where. From there, I'm saying they should take the highest player available at 17 regardless of offense or defense since, more than likely, he would only be ranked that high because he fills a need.

And, while I'm agreeing with you that you should use the draft to fill needs more so than just taking the best player available at all times, good thing nobody told the Giants that when they drafted Justin Tuck and Mathias Kiwanucka even though they already had Michael Strahan and Osi Umenyora. ;)

Totally different. Kiwanuka was drafted to play LB (why I don't know). When they drafted Tuck, Kiwanuka was already playing LB. When each of them were drafted, Strahan was playing Favre's "I'm staying" / "I'm retiring" game. If I recall, in 2007 when they drafted Tuck (in round 3, not round 1), Strahan missed all of camp in his "just about retired" mode.

All of our OLmen are signed long-term. Both of our OLB'ers are signed long-term & for big money.

Zero chance they draft an OLB in this year's draft before Ryan has a chance to work with Gholston through a single practice, and with Pace already slotted in as a starter.

There...is...no...way...the...New...York...Jets...are...drafting...an...OLB...for...the...3-4...in...round...one...this...year.

Same goes for OL unless we decide not to pay Moore's RB in March. If we do pay it, then the same applies to the OL.

Under no circumstances.

No matter who is available.

No matter how highly they rank an available player.

There is no chance.

None.

Nada.

Zero.

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Totally different. Kiwanuka was drafted to play LB (why I don't know). When they drafted Tuck, Kiwanuka was already playing LB. When each of them were drafted, Strahan was playing Favre's "I'm staying" / "I'm retiring" game. If I recall, in 2007 when they drafted Tuck (in round 3, not round 1), Strahan missed all of camp in his "just about retired" mode.

Kiwanucka was drafted AFTER Tuck, not before. And he was drafted to play DE. He didn't switch to LB until last year, 2007. And, it was 2007 when he sat out camp. Kiwanucka was drafted in 2006.

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Kiwanucka was drafted AFTER Tuck, not before. And he was drafted to play DE. He didn't switch to LB until last year, 2007. And, it was 2007 when he sat out camp. Kiwanucka was drafted in 2006.

I thought Kiwanuka was drafted in '06 and Tuck in '07. My bad. I was thinking of Alford.

The principle still applies. Strahan has been playing "I might retire" every year for a while now.

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All of our OLmen are signed long-term. Both of our OLB'ers are signed long-term & for big money.

Zero chance they draft an OLB in this year's draft before Ryan has a chance to work with Gholston through a single practice, and with Pace already slotted in as a starter.

There...is...no...way...the...New...York...Jets...are...drafting...an...OLB...for...the...3-4...in...round...one...this...year.

Same goes for OL unless we decide not to pay Moore's RB in March. If we do pay it, then the same applies to the OL.

Under no circumstances.

No matter who is available.

No matter how highly they rank an available player.

There is no chance.

None.

Nada.

Zero.

BTW, do you think I am disagreeing with this? Is that why you posted it?

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All Buddy Ryan ever drafted was defense. I see Rex being the same and trying to build a super unit on D. jmho.

Rex said he wants to be a better HC than his dad. Thus, he's not going to follow what his dad did in the draft.

I agree with JMJ & Sperm. The Jets are drafting BAP EXCEPT for OLB and OL, except if they let go of Moore (which I seriously doubt will happen).

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Call me crazy but at 17 I see us simply taking the best (our highest rated) player available whether it be offensive or defensive.

That would be a Bill Parcells move. Either way it'll benefit, Its not like we dont need some pieces on both sides of the ball, and we seem to do well with our 4th round picks as well.

However, I say for our first round pick we have to take the best Defender at the time (Safety/Corner or DE. I think we're okay at the LB position especially with Rex overseeing them). However, We need to draft with our 2nd & 3rd, or 2nd & 4th a WR. We REALLY need help at this position. I was really hoping that Marcus Henry would be a late round catch, but I havent heard anything from him. David Clowney seems quite promising, but I think that we will still need another fast WR given that Cotchery fa'sho has the hands but his speed is suspect.

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