BaumerJet Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 This just in from WCBS.COM Former New York Senate Leader Joseph Bruno Indicted on Corruption ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) -- Joseph Bruno, who was New York's top Republican as the state Senate majority leader, has been indicted on federal public corruption charges. Bruno, who retired from the Legislature in July after more than a dozen years leading the Senate, was charged in an eight-count indictment by the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of New York. The indictment says Bruno used his office to defraud the people of New York from 1993 through at least 2006. Bruno revealed more than a year ago that his private business dealings had been under investigation by the FBI for months. He has insisted that he did nothing wrong. A spokesman says Bruno will comment after court proceedings Friday in Albany. Bruno represented his Troy, N.Y.-area district for 32 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoping4ASuperBowl Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 wow. honestly I know nothing about this guy but stories like this just make me wonder who can we really trust in our government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaumerJet Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share Posted January 26, 2009 wow. honestly I know nothing about this guy but stories like this just make me wonder who can we really trust in our government? Joe Bruno was the one voice in Albany that put down the Manhattan Project for the Jets. He & his son have been linked with the Dolans multiple times, especially with his son at one time being on the board at Cablevision. You see, MSG did not want competion in NYC, ala Bruno's knock down of the new stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Yet I bet 99% of Jets fans think it was Woody's fault we didn't get the WSS. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Yet I bet 99% of Jets fans think it was Woody's fault we didn't get the WSS. BZ You think the PSL's plus ticket prices in a joint stadium - in New Jersey - are high? lol Change that to a stadium that cost another half a billion dollars without another NFL franchise footing half the bill. And move the construction & construction "regulations" to Manhattan. Only thing that would have been better about it would be convenience to people on the Long Island side of the East River. But then, there would have been no tailgating. Just as well that it turned out this way. A $2B stadium for a single football team to host 10-12 games a year is idiotic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 You think the PSL's plus ticket prices in a joint stadium - in New Jersey - are high? lol Change that to a stadium that cost another half a billion dollars without another NFL franchise footing half the bill. And move the construction & construction "regulations" to Manhattan. Only thing that would have been better about it would be convenience to people on the Long Island side of the East River. But then, there would have been no tailgating. Just as well that it turned out this way. A $2B stadium for a single football team to host 10-12 games a year is idiotic. Shhhhh. The truth won't work on this issue. Rationality makes no sense to most people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 wow. honestly I know nothing about this guy but stories like this just make me wonder who can we really trust in our government? The answer is easy...no one. Every elected official owes someone something...that's how politics works. Not everyone gets caught though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Shhhhh. The truth won't work on this issue. Rationality makes no sense to most people. And I'm probably too low on the increased cost of a stadium in Manhattan. I think the cost was up to around $1.8billion (?) before permission was even denied. Around that time, the joint stadium total cost was hovering around $800M. Also a little easier to build more NJ Transit lines outside the city than new subway lines underneath it (which was never going to happen beyond planning stages & discussions & meetings anyway). So there would have been no tailgating and no place to park to get there. If you did manage to get a spot in one of the dozen lots in the area, it would be $100+ just for parking. Bad idea from its inception. To say nothing of a billionaire wanting some $300M (or whatever it was) from a bankrupt city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 And I'm probably too low on the increased cost of a stadium in Manhattan. I think the cost was up to around $1.8billion (?) before permission was even denied. Around that time, the joint stadium total cost was hovering around $800M. Also a little easier to build more NJ Transit lines outside the city than new subway lines underneath it (which was never going to happen beyond planning stages & discussions & meetings anyway). So there would have been no tailgating and no place to park to get there. If you did manage to get a spot in one of the dozen lots in the area, it would be $100+ just for parking. Bad idea from its inception. But at least we would have our own stadium!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 But at least we would have our own stadium!!!!!!! Who are you Sooth? Remember when he threatened to sell JI if the WSS fell through? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 wow. honestly I know nothing about this guy but stories like this just make me wonder who can we really trust in our government? Trust no one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 But at least we would have our own stadium!!!!!!! Yes, a joint stadium with a corporate name on it isn't nearly as good as a single-owner stadium with a corporate name on it. Makes all the difference in the world. lol Who are you Sooth? Remember when he threatened to sell JI if the WSS fell through? Ah yes. Good times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Joe Bruno was the one voice in Albany that put down the Manhattan Project for the Jets. He & his son have been linked with the Dolans multiple times, especially with his son at one time being on the board at Cablevision. You see, MSG did not want competion in NYC, ala Bruno's knock down of the new stadium. I remember the NY Daily News showing a picture of Sheldon Silver and the caption saying : Stadium shot down by the jawbones of an a$$. Great line that I never forgot. IMO both Silver AND Bruno were paid off by Dolan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 I remember the NY Daily News showing a picture of Sheldon Silver and the caption saying : Stadium shot down by the jawbones of an a$$. Great line that I never forgot. IMO both Silver AND Bruno were paid off by Dolan. I don't think it's a matter of opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 IMO both Silver AND Bruno were paid off by Dolan. Perhaps if more people had been willing to pony up $55, there would've been a more formidable pro-stadium advertising campaign to battle to Dolan family... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 For some reason I never followed the West Side Stadium story much, but I do have a question to ask. I think we can agree that the Jets games alone cannot support it. But being in Manhattan, wouldn't it have an advantage that stadiums in other parts of the region don't-huge conventions and meetings? New York is already a tourist attraction, and I would think there are more than a few organizations who would love to hold their convention in a stadium, yet still be able to get back to the hotels easily. I know they have a convention center already, but it is not as big as a football stadium would be. Couldn't that add to the income? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebabyny Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 You think the PSL's plus ticket prices in a joint stadium - in New Jersey - are high? lol Change that to a stadium that cost another half a billion dollars without another NFL franchise footing half the bill. And move the construction & construction "regulations" to Manhattan. Only thing that would have been better about it would be convenience to people on the Long Island side of the East River. But then, there would have been no tailgating. Just as well that it turned out this way. A $2B stadium for a single football team to host 10-12 games a year is idiotic. Not necessarily, psl's could have stayed about the same outside of the most expensive ones and luxury boxes which are already pretty much out of reach. Keep in mind all of the revenue will be shared 50/50 would go 100% to the jets if we got this deal done, all of the advertising, all of the naming rights, all of the gate and consessions for concerts and other events, plus the higher premium being in nyc would have given the stadium. If the get 1 billion in naming rights for the main name and towers, I would think being in nyc would have brought at least another 20%. In the end it may very well have been a wash, besides, the jets just about set the psl as high as they can reasonably expect fans to pay regardless of cost, if the stadium had ending up costing twice what it did that doesn't mean they could sell the psl for more than they are. I am guessing where they have it now is already pushing what the market will bare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 For some reason I never followed the West Side Stadium story much, but I do have a question to ask. I think we can agree that the Jets games alone cannot support it. But being in Manhattan, wouldn't it have an advantage that stadiums in other parts of the region don't-huge conventions and meetings? New York is already a tourist attraction, and I would think there are more than a few organizations who would love to hold their convention in a stadium, yet still be able to get back to the hotels easily. I know they have a convention center already, but it is not as big as a football stadium would be. Couldn't that add to the income? Well the plan was to host final fours and other big events, they were going to start the "Big Apple Bowl". The NFL had pretty much guaranteed 3 Super Bowls in the first 10 years. It was killed by Dolan and his buddies because they saw it as competition for the Garden for concerts and other events. Ironically enough, when the idea was originally proposed, Jay Cross and Woody Johnson approached the Dolans with the idea of doing the project together as the new MSG which would be home to the Jets, Rangers and Knicks but the Dolans turned them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Not necessarily, psl's could have stayed about the same outside of the most expensive ones and luxury boxes which are already pretty much out of reach. Keep in mind all of the revenue will be shared 50/50 would go 100% to the jets if we got this deal done, all of the advertising, all of the naming rights, all of the gate and consessions for concerts and other events, plus the higher premium being in nyc would have given the stadium. If the get 1 billion in naming rights for the main name and towers, I would think being in nyc would have brought at least another 20%. In the end it may very well have been a wash, besides, the jets just about set the psl as high as they can reasonably expect fans to pay regardless of cost, if the stadium had ending up costing twice what it did that doesn't mean they could sell the psl for more than they are. I am guessing where they have it now is already pushing what the market will bare. Not true, some PSLs in the new Cowboys Stadium are going for $100 grand. So had the Jets built on their own, the PSLs would have been astronomical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebabyny Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Well the plan was to host final fours and other big events, they were going to start the "Big Apple Bowl". The NFL had pretty much guaranteed 3 Super Bowls in the first 10 years. It was killed by Dolan and his buddies because they saw it as competition for the Garden for concerts and other events. Ironically enough, when the idea was originally proposed, Jay Cross and Woody Johnson approached the Dolans with the idea of doing the project together as the new MSG which would be home to the Jets, Rangers and Knicks but the Dolans turned them down. lol at that pos dolan, single handedly trying his best to absolutely ruin NY sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 You think the PSL's plus ticket prices in a joint stadium - in New Jersey - are high? lol Change that to a stadium that cost another half a billion dollars without another NFL franchise footing half the bill. And move the construction & construction "regulations" to Manhattan. Only thing that would have been better about it would be convenience to people on the Long Island side of the East River. But then, there would have been no tailgating. Just as well that it turned out this way. A $2B stadium for a single football team to host 10-12 games a year is idiotic. Oh... I KNOW the PSLs at the WSS would have been HUGE... Looking back (20/20 vision) it would have been best if the Jets and Giants had built their new stadium TOGETHER in Queens. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebabyny Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Not true, some PSLs in the new Cowboys Stadium are going for $100 grand. So had the Jets built on their own, the PSLs would have been astronomical. Do you have the breakdown for all the Dallas psls. not just the club ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Moses Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Who are you Sooth? Remember when he threatened to sell JI if the WSS fell through? Not that it matters, but to be fair, Sooth "threatened" to sell JI when the Queens project was rejected by Woody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Not necessarily, psl's could have stayed about the same outside of the most expensive ones and luxury boxes which are already pretty much out of reach. Keep in mind all of the revenue will be shared 50/50 would go 100% to the jets if we got this deal done, all of the advertising, all of the naming rights, all of the gate and consessions for concerts and other events, plus the higher premium being in nyc would have given the stadium. If the get 1 billion in naming rights for the main name and towers, I would think being in nyc would have brought at least another 20%. In the end it may very well have been a wash, besides, the jets just about set the psl as high as they can reasonably expect fans to pay regardless of cost, if the stadium had ending up costing twice what it did that doesn't mean they could sell the psl for more than they are. I am guessing where they have it now is already pushing what the market will bare. I see what you're saying, but while the revenue would have been double, the cost - it seems - would have been more than double. Also, he would probably figure (correctly IMO) that a WSS would have many more people's pockets to tap into. People who might spend more than a PSL is worth to a normal fan, but since they don't have to do a commute out of the city to get to the stadium (not to mention people on the Long Island side of the city to tap into), they would have been able to get more for PSL's. Ultimately, the price for the PSL's from Woody - whether planned or not - is going to be this: what is the most I can get? We'll never know, but I think you're low on the 20%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaumerJet Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share Posted January 26, 2009 For some reason I never followed the West Side Stadium story much, but I do have a question to ask. I think we can agree that the Jets games alone cannot support it. But being in Manhattan, wouldn't it have an advantage that stadiums in other parts of the region don't-huge conventions and meetings? New York is already a tourist attraction, and I would think there are more than a few organizations who would love to hold their convention in a stadium, yet still be able to get back to the hotels easily. I know they have a convention center already, but it is not as big as a football stadium would be. Couldn't that add to the income? Which is why the Dolans did not want us there - The Javitz center is only a small pull on their total economy. Add a new state of the art Domed Football stadium & you take away any chance of a major convention. It's just that simple... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaumerJet Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share Posted January 26, 2009 Not that it matters, but to be fair, Sooth "threatened" to sell JI when the Queens project was rejected by Woody. Because Sean Deegan lives in Long Island. Remember, I'm the one when they (JETS) agreed on a combined stadium & that they were moving to Florham Park asked him when he was moving to Madison, Montclair, Bloomfield or Chatham? His reply was a grunted NO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 I try not to even think about it... I really got excited about that stadium and it not happening still hurts... I dont think the cost for most fans would have been different... they would have just jacked up the price on the premium seats to make up the difference... not to mention the MUCH larger amount of people within a short Subway ride from the stadium... It would have worked fine but those *******s ruined it... :curse::mad0259: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 You think the PSL's plus ticket prices in a joint stadium - in New Jersey - are high? lol Change that to a stadium that cost another half a billion dollars without another NFL franchise footing half the bill. And move the construction & construction "regulations" to Manhattan. Only thing that would have been better about it would be convenience to people on the Long Island side of the East River. But then, there would have been no tailgating. Just as well that it turned out this way. A $2B stadium for a single football team to host 10-12 games a year is idiotic. Dude are you kidding? Football stadiums aren't just used for football. If you check the events that happen at Giants Stadium, the Giants get a nice bit of cash from a lot of different things. And that's set in Jersey. You build a football stadium in Manhattan, and you're going to get a ton of other events, not limited to but including the Olympics, World Cup, conventions, concerts, sales of large items. You could have a high priced car show or liquidation sales for various chains (as we all know, that's quite popular these days). The stadium would definitely have brought in more business, and yes it'd be convenient to those of us on LI, although not that much more so. We'd all get in off the LIRR, so yeah there probably really wouldn't be tailgating, but this new stadium doesn't sound like they want tailgating either. He'd probably still charge PSLs because he is greedy. But I do think there are many ways to defray those costs. Plus, it's not like a guy like Woody loses that money. You can carry over your losses for tax liability purposes to future years. It's not like normal people where when we get something it's just a negative, for businesses and rich people in general, all you're doing is playing around with your tax liability, and generally you LIKE making it lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 The Manhattan stadium was never going to work- too many special interest groups and communitty opposition- do not blame that on Woody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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