Vicious89x Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Wow, that dude can talk. Very candid, awesome guy. He verified a lot of things that many of us on this message board have said many times. On Mangini: - Was "surprised" that he was fired but realized when you're the coach the success and failure falls on you. - Said "Eric is a very good teacher, when he's in the film room he can really break plays down." - Made comments on how he felt Mangini didn't have enough of a "hands-on" approach with his team when it came to the D. I think the quote was something along the lines of "Put the pen and pad down and get in there with your players, he wasn't in the huddle but was very involved in the headset." - Thinks Mangini will be successful, that he has the "Plan for success, but needs to execute." On Favre: - Says he's enjoyable to be around but echoed the sentiment that he needs to "be there with the team." But he did go on to say that he thinks with Favre we definitely win. On Rex Ryan: -Just very excited to be working under him, he's looking forward to working with him. On Leon: -One of the few things he was vague on... when asked about him being used in the offense, he kinda said "We wanted to use him there but there were other plans." Did say he thinks he can take the punishment if he were to have a bigger role on offense. Funniest part of the interview was when they asked him to predict the SB and who had the advantage on special teams he said "They're both not good at all, and they're punters are terrible." To which Kay said "Well yea, you cut one of them." and Westoff said "Exactly, watch Graham hit a line drive and that kid from the Steelers take it back." Anyways good interview. Sounds like Mangini was great at preparation but always failed to make the adjustments in game. Seemed to be more concerned with tape rather then stuff on the field which could have led to him losing the team. He did say a couple times that had he had another offseason with Mangini he would've said things to him about showing some emotion and whatever. Take it for what it's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Thanks 89. Nice read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Wow, that dude can talk. Very candid, awesome guy. He verified a lot of things that many of us on this message board have said many times. On Mangini: - Was "surprised" that he was fired but realized when you're the coach the success and failure falls on you. - Said "Eric is a very good teacher, when he's in the film room he can really break plays down." - Made comments on how he felt Mangini didn't have enough of a "hands-on" approach with his team when it came to the D. I think the quote was something along the lines of "Put the pen and pad down and get in there with your players, he wasn't in the huddle but was very involved in the headset." - Thinks Mangini will be successful, that he has the "Plan for success, but needs to execute." On Favre: - Says he's enjoyable to be around but echoed the sentiment that he needs to "be there with the team." But he did go on to say that he thinks with Favre we definitely win. On Rex Ryan: -Just very excited to be working under him, he's looking forward to working with him. On Leon: -One of the few things he was vague on... when asked about him being used in the offense, he kinda said "We wanted to use him there but there were other plans." Did say he thinks he can take the punishment if he were to have a bigger role on offense. Funniest part of the interview was when they asked him to predict the SB and who had the advantage on special teams he said "They're both not good at all, and they're punters are terrible." To which Kay said "Well yea, you cut one of them." and Westoff said "Exactly, watch Graham hit a line drive and that kid from the Steelers take it back." Anyways good interview. Sounds like Mangini was great at preparation but always failed to make the adjustments in game. Seemed to be more concerned with tape rather then stuff on the field which could have led to him losing the team. He did say a couple times that had he had another offseason with Mangini he would've said things to him about showing some emotion and whatever. Take it for what it's worth. so he is saying that mangini was a little inexperienced? duh!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 LOL @ him making fun of Ben Graham... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Nice thread. Mangini is going to be a damn good coach IMO. Wish I got to hear the whole thing...what else did he say about Ryan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 LOL @ him making fun of Ben Graham... I guess that settles the question of who was the one that decided to dump him, although I guess its not that surprising, there probably isn't another person involved in this team who has a single word to say when it comes to special teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted January 28, 2009 Author Share Posted January 28, 2009 so he is saying that mangini was a little inexperienced? duh!!! I think he was saying Mangini was more of a film guy, someone who breaks stuff down, rather then being a leader of men. There's a big difference there. Clearly he was inexperienced. I've said it before, I think Mangini CAN be a good coach. I dont' know if he ever WILL be though as it kinda requires "putting it together". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Nice thread. Mangini is going to be a damn good coach IMO. Wish I got to hear the whole thing...what else did he say about Ryan? What do you base that on? Westhoff's backhanded compliments? Mangini will make a great assistant somewhere... keep him away from the gameplanning and hand him the tapes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I think he was saying Mangini was more of a film guy, someone who breaks stuff down, rather then being a leader of men. There's a big difference there. Clearly he was inexperienced. I've said it before, I think Mangini CAN be a good coach. I dont' know if he ever WILL be though as it kinda requires "putting it together". was brett favre not leader enuff for them? i call BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 was brett favre not leader enuff for them? i call BS Brett Favre is not a leader he is a selfish doosh that most of the guys seem hate for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 What do you base that on? Westhoff's backhanded compliments? Mangini will make a great assistant somewhere... keep him away from the gameplanning and hand him the tapes... I think he was just an inexperienced guy who didn't have an organization willing to commit to him. He'll be fine because he was fine here. He'll learn from what he did...and he's got a pretty talented roster in Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Brett Favre is not a leader he is a selfish doosh that most of the guys seem hate for it... and yet they want him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 and yet they want him back. Yeah they want him back or so they say IF he doesnt act like such a stuck up selfhish doosh... they have basically said that in nicer words... coaches and players alike... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBeans Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Westhoff is just an awesome coach and individual. Hard not to like his no BS attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bachelors3 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 He was also on with Mike Francesca and said basically the same thing but also that the type of defensive players that Rex would bring in would translate into better special teams as well. He said he would have left the team if he didn't think highly of Rex. He also said that the Cardinal kicker was the best at on-side kicks in the league. Said to watch for it on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 and yet they want him back. I'm not convinced the Jets do want Favre back, regardless of what they may come out and say. Even going by that, everyone has said Favre is only going to be welcome back IF he commits 100%. With Favre, especially at this age, it's not happening. The Jets themselves sure as Hell don't or at least shouldn't want him and his 13 million dollar salary hit back. He is a selfish doosh like ecurb rightfully said and he will not be playing for the Jets in 2009...Thankfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I'm not convinced the Jets do want Favre back, regardless of what they may come out and say. Even going by that, everyone has said Favre is only going to be welcome back IF he commits 100%. With Favre, especially at this age, it's not happening. The Jets themselves sure as Hell don't or at least shouldn't want him and his 13 million dollar salary hit back. He is a selfish doosh like ecurb rightfully and he will not be playing for the Jets in 2009...Thankfully. Did I piss in your cornflakes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Did I piss in your cornflakes? Oops. Missed a word. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Oops. Missed a word. LOL Nice save Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted January 29, 2009 Author Share Posted January 29, 2009 He was also on with Mike Francesca and said basically the same thing but also that the type of defensive players that Rex would bring in would translate into better special teams as well. He said he would have left the team if he didn't think highly of Rex. He also said that the Cardinal kicker was the best at on-side kicks in the league. Said to watch for it on Sunday. Thanks Bachelors, I forgot the Rackers part. Anyways, IMO it was clear that he said that Mangini has great know how, he knows the game.... but he doesn't know how to put it together as a head coach and lead a team. So much so that Westoff was going to "coach" Mangini on these things. Regardless, Mangini was an experimental coach, and as a lot of some other guys on this board have said he came over here with one season as a DC where he lost playcalling duties. He was a position coach prior to that. When you're a position coach you focus on the minute details, and I think that's where he got caught up as a coach. He always had the Jets "ready" but at least to me... it always felt like "when's the other shoe gonna fall off" because the good coaches would make the adjustments and Mangini didn't have the tape on that yet. Arguing whether what he will be is ridiculous. He did ok in NY, and as it stands, I'm happy with Rex Ryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynton Beach Jets Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Wow, that dude can talk. Very candid, awesome guy. He verified a lot of things that many of us on this message board have said many times. On Mangini: - Was "surprised" that he was fired but realized when you're the coach the success and failure falls on you. - Said "Eric is a very good teacher, when he's in the film room he can really break plays down." - Made comments on how he felt Mangini didn't have enough of a "hands-on" approach with his team when it came to the D. I think the quote was something along the lines of "Put the pen and pad down and get in there with your players, he wasn't in the huddle but was very involved in the headset." - Thinks Mangini will be successful, that he has the "Plan for success, but needs to execute." On Favre: - Says he's enjoyable to be around but echoed the sentiment that he needs to "be there with the team." But he did go on to say that he thinks with Favre we definitely win. On Rex Ryan: -Just very excited to be working under him, he's looking forward to working with him. On Leon: -One of the few things he was vague on... when asked about him being used in the offense, he kinda said "We wanted to use him there but there were other plans." Did say he thinks he can take the punishment if he were to have a bigger role on offense. Funniest part of the interview was when they asked him to predict the SB and who had the advantage on special teams he said "They're both not good at all, and they're punters are terrible." To which Kay said "Well yea, you cut one of them." and Westoff said "Exactly, watch Graham hit a line drive and that kid from the Steelers take it back." Anyways good interview. Sounds like Mangini was great at preparation but always failed to make the adjustments in game. Seemed to be more concerned with tape rather then stuff on the field which could have led to him losing the team. He did say a couple times that had he had another offseason with Mangini he would've said things to him about showing some emotion and whatever. Take it for what it's worth. Excellent post, thank you!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn212 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Nice thread. Mangini is going to be a damn good coach IMO. Wish I got to hear the whole thing...what else did he say about Ryan? You haven't heard one Jet player player or coach diss Mangini..not one. All the speculation about him losing the team was BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 You haven't heard one Jet player player or coach diss Mangini..not one. All the speculation about him losing the team was BS But all the reality of him losing easy games to inferior opponents (Oakland, Seattle, San Francisco, Denver, etc.) and barely beating or nearly giving away blowout victories (New England, Arizona, Miami, Kansas City, Cincinatti, etc) are all factual! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 You haven't heard one Jet player player or coach diss Mangini..not one. All the speculation about him losing the team was BS They were as vocal as they could be about no halftime adjustments... also when he took over the D they complained he forced a new system on them mid-week and screwed things up worse... Why would anyone say anything now? They have all had praise for the new guy and said things that pretty much hint at them not thinking Mangini was good... Rhodes is the most vocal but I am sure there are more guys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 You haven't heard one Jet player player or coach diss Mangini..not one. All the speculation about him losing the team was BS I think we just heard Westhoff, his only experienced coordinator, do just that. Someone who "has the plans for success but needs to execute" is a nice way of saying "he does not execute" like a HC should. Saying he breaks down film well (which I don't doubt he does very well) is glaringly a NON-compliment contrast for his performance during the game. Quotes like "put the pad and pen down" are hardly complimentary, nor is it complimentary to draw attention to the way he stood there like an emotionless statue. He doesn't have to jump up & down & carry on like a silly clown, but Mangini looked way too unemotional in a physical sport where players feed off emotion. And it rubs off on the players. Clearly Westhoff believes so, or he wouldn't have mentioned it. And that's only what he's said in an interview to the public. Hell, I didn't hear anyone on Herm's staff (either with NY or with KC) rip him like this, and he's as bad as they come in the "knows what the hell he's doing" category. It is rare that any coach's subordinates say a single bad word about him. But once the practices & breaking down film sessions were over & the game was underway, he didn't seem to say anything complimentary about Eric Mangini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishooked Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 You haven't heard one Jet player player or coach diss Mangini..not one. All the speculation about him losing the team was BS That's not necessarily true. Revis was on with Francessa yesterday too...and he didn't go out of his way to bash Mangini (I dont think any of these players will)... But Revis said that Mangini was very good with the chalkboard, just not very good with communicating exactly what he wanted to his players on the field. Revis said it was almost like they didn't "know' exactly what they had to do, there was some sort of "disconnect" from Mangini between the chalkboard and getting that information and translating it to the players. Also spoke about why didn't know all of the sudden the defense was so "passive" the last few gams of the season, he couldnt understand all of the prevent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishooked Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I think we just heard Westhoff, his only experienced coordinator, do just that. Someone who "has the plans for success but needs to execute" is a nice way of saying "he does not execute" like a HC should. Saying he breaks down film well (which I don't doubt he does very well) is glaringly a NON-compliment contrast for his performance during the game. Quotes like "put the pad and pen down" are hardly complimentary, nor is it complimentary to draw attention to the way he stood there like an emotionless statue. He doesn't have to jump up & down & carry on like a silly clown, but Mangini looked way too unemotional in a physical sport where players feed off emotion. And it rubs off on the players. Clearly Westhoff believes so, or he wouldn't have mentioned it. And that's only what he's said in an interview to the public. Hell, I didn't hear anyone on Herm's staff (either with NY or with KC) rip him like this, and he's as bad as they come in the "knows what the hell he's doing" category. It is rare that any coach's subordinates say a single bad word about him. But once the practices & breaking down film sessions were over & the game was underway, he didn't seem to say anything complimentary about Eric Mangini. +1 I basically said the same thing when Revis was on yesterday - intelligent people know how to say things so you can infer what they mean, without having to outright say "he sucks" and "he wasn;t a very good coach"... Revis said that on the sidelines Mangini wasn't "hands on" and "didn't know how to talk to the players on the sidelines", almost like would just "be there" and let it all unfold. Too passive. Unacceptable. Goodbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn212 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 They were as vocal as they could be about no halftime adjustments... also when he took over the D they complained he forced a new system on them mid-week and screwed things up worse... Why would anyone say anything now? They have all had praise for the new guy and said things that pretty much hint at them not thinking Mangini was good... Rhodes is the most vocal but I am sure there are more guys... You don't have any links..Rhodes played like s**t..players love slapd**ks like you ..blame anyone but them..David Harris is another who played like crap when he came back from an injury..you've had more players admit that it was their fault as opposed to the CS..You were all screaming for Sutton's head..guess what..he's staying...You talk al ot of s**t about things you know nothing about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted January 29, 2009 Author Share Posted January 29, 2009 I think we just heard Westhoff, his only experienced coordinator, do just that. Someone who "has the plans for success but needs to execute" is a nice way of saying "he does not execute" like a HC should. Saying he breaks down film well (which I don't doubt he does very well) is glaringly a NON-compliment contrast for his performance during the game. Quotes like "put the pad and pen down" are hardly complimentary, nor is it complimentary to draw attention to the way he stood there like an emotionless statue. He doesn't have to jump up & down & carry on like a silly clown, but Mangini looked way too unemotional in a physical sport where players feed off emotion. And it rubs off on the players. Clearly Westhoff believes so, or he wouldn't have mentioned it. And that's only what he's said in an interview to the public. Hell, I didn't hear anyone on Herm's staff (either with NY or with KC) rip him like this, and he's as bad as they come in the "knows what the hell he's doing" category. It is rare that any coach's subordinates say a single bad word about him. But once the practices & breaking down film sessions were over & the game was underway, he didn't seem to say anything complimentary about Eric Mangini. Pretty much right on every point. I guess I was most taken back to hear Westoff say he'd "Work with him in the off-season" like he's some rookie kid. Not exactly you what you expect from a coach. To me it seemed like Westoff outlined what a lot of us might think here: Mangini has the football smarts and work ethic, but hasn't found a way to disseminate that information across to his players and staff. And that he still has quite a ways to go in the way of "in-game adjustments"which is CRUCIAL for any successful coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 and yet they want him back. Depends on who you define as 'they'. I don't believe for a minute Rex Ryan's 'say all the right things' BS about Favre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 That's not necessarily true. Revis was on with Francessa yesterday too...and he didn't go out of his way to bash Mangini (I dont think any of these players will)... But Revis said that Mangini was very good with the chalkboard, just not very good with communicating exactly what he wanted to his players on the field. Revis said it was almost like they didn't "know' exactly what they had to do, there was some sort of "disconnect" from Mangini between the chalkboard and getting that information and translating it to the players. Also spoke about why didn't know all of the sudden the defense was so "passive" the last few gams of the season, he couldnt understand all of the prevent. David Harris said after I believe Denver, 'we didn't make any adjustments'. That's all I needed to know. Further, all you heard about Mangini from most of the players was 'what a great man he was', which I'm sure is true. My father's a great man too, I don't want him coaching the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted January 29, 2009 Author Share Posted January 29, 2009 David Harris said after I believe Denver, 'we didn't make any adjustments'. That's all I needed to know. Further, all you heard about Mangini from most of the players was 'what a great man he was', which I'm sure is true. My father's a great man too, I don't want him coaching the Jets. Did he coach for the Patriots? If so then he's as qualified as Mangini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishooked Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 You don't have any links..Rhodes played like s**t..players love slapd**ks like you ..blame anyone but them..David Harris is another who played like crap when he came back from an injury..you've had more players admit that it was their fault as opposed to the CS..You were all screaming for Sutton's head..guess what..he's staying...You talk al ot of s**t about things you know nothing about LOL. Mangini Lover. They're not going to come right out and say it. Plus there's been plenty of player interviews the last few weeks regarding Mangini's inability to coach. We all know Rhodes sucked this year, but using Harris as an example after coming back from injury is weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Mangini was a good coach. He just didn't work here. Doesn't mean much...the phrase "in the course of a lifetime" comes to mind. Bill Walsh and Chuck Noll didn't look so good after 3 years. It's hard to look like a standout employee when you work for an idiot company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Mangini was a good coach. He just didn't work here. Doesn't mean much...the phrase "in the course of a lifetime" comes to mind. Bill Walsh and Chuck Noll didn't look so good after 3 years. It's hard to look like a standout employee when you work for an idiot company. POTWNOM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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