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i would like to put to rest a few rumors floating around today


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just a few rumors

Myth 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers are the best franchise in NFL History, just look at the 6 Superbowls and great coaches!

Fact:

Green Bay: 643-513, .556 W%, 12 championships, 24 playoff appearances in 87 years, one championship per 7.33 years

Cleveland: 475-376, .558 W%, 8 championships, 28 playoff appearances in 62 years, one championship per 7.75 years

Dallas: 423-309, .578 W%, 5 championships, 29 playoff appearances in 48 years, one championship per 9.6 years

Chicago: 686-498, .579 W%, 9 championships, 24 playoff appearances in 88 years, one championship per 9.6 years

New York Giants: 618-510 .548 W% 7 championships, 30 playoff appearances in 83 years...one championship per 11.9 years

San Francicso: 495-402, .552 W%, 5 championships, 23 playoff appearances in 62 years. one championship per 12.4 years

Pittsburgh: 520-488, .516 W%, 6 championships, 25 playoff appearances in 75 years, one championship per 12.5 years

Pittsburgh stunk from the 1930's through 1971. Rooney's team was called "the lovable losers", and the Steelers also disapeared during the entire 1980's. that's 50 years of irrelevance. the Steelers are AT BEST a borderline top 5 or top 6 team. They aren't as good w/ titles per year AND W% also favors each other team.

Myth 2: Big Ben is god

Fact: Jericho Cotchery is god.

Congrats to my boy Stiller Paul BTW

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In the Super Bowl era, the one that matters, they are the best franchise.

Without a doubt.

Considering what they have done on a limited budget, they are the best run team in the league. For the better part of 40 years, they have business model the follow to a tee. 6 titles speaks for itself.

As far as Big Ben goes, he is a Top 5 QB and when things are all said and done will probably be the greatest Steelers QB.

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The Steelers have to be one of the best if not the best run franchises over the years- when was thwe last time they did not have a competitive team in the playoffs-all of this with players coming and going due to free agency.

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The Steelers are the best franchise by during the Super Bowl era.

+1

Seriously, you can't count the era BEFORE the Super Bowl when we're talking about Super Bowl era championships.

Plus, half of the freakin NFL today didn't exist before 1960, so anything before then or the SB is for a completely different discussion.

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Why doesn't the error before the Superbowl count? Just curious? Too many rule differences?

Why? Because there was a different championship then.

Think of it like boxing. There would be a unified championship era and an era before the unification where different boxers claimed to be champions.

As Otter mentioned, there was also the AAFC to join the old NFL (premerger) and AFL, all with their own champions.

I'm not saying it was a lesser era of football, but the Steelers won 6 unified championships. To claim they are behind the Cleveland Browns who won no unified titles and won titles in their old league is ridiculous. Plus, as great as the Packers were, the majority of their championships were not unified titles.

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Why doesn't the error before the Superbowl count? Just curious? Too many rule differences?

Football more then other sports evolves very fast. We can dream about the 1998 Yankees playing the 1927 Yankees. But it would be impossible for the 2006 Colts to play the 1957 Colts it is a different game. Football evolves quicker then any other sport it is impossible to compare players from different era's in football. It would not be fair to compare Joe Namath against QB's of the current era, where as Joe Namath should be compared to other QB's during his era. That is why it is necessary to separate the Super Bowl era from the earlier era's.

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The only team you can make a case for as being a better franchise than the Steelers is the Dallas Cowboys. 8 Super Bowl Appearances. 5 Super Bowl wins. 29 or 30 playoff appearances. Over 20 division titles. Those two teams are neck and neck. Nobody else is even close

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You come up with some crazy stuff.

And I like it.

However, Super Bowls are all that count and for any list to have the Cleveland Browns as the 2nd greatest franchise of all-time is lunacy.

In a league of such roster change, great commercialization, such parity, and a league of 32 teams and a league where the team with the most rings has just 6 out of 43, I'd say Super Bowls are far from the only measuring stick.

Total wins, division titles, playoff wins and conference championships wins/apperances can tell you how good a team has been.

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pittsburgh has had 2 head coaches in 38 yrs. it looks like tomlin will be around for a while. credit ownership for this

Stability is good -when you have owners like the Rooney's that stay out of the football operations is good also. let the football experts do their work.

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Stability is good -when you have owners like the Rooney's that stay out of the football operations is good also. let the football experts do their work.

Stability in and of itself is neither good nor bad. It all depends what you have with stability.

Stability is only good when you actually have a good HC.

Let's be clear here: Cowher stood there so long because he won a lot of games early. In his first 3 years, Cowher went 11-5, 9-7 & 12-4. Tomlin has gone 10-6 & 12-4 with a SB Title.

The Lions were a stable franchise with Matt Millen for most of this decade. They simply sucked with that stability.

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They were a dynomite franchise till they got their current head coach. He sucks moose co<k.

True.

In a league of such roster change, great commercialization, such parity, and a league of 32 teams and a league where the team with the most rings has just 6 out of 43, I'd say Super Bowls are far from the only measuring stick.

Total wins, division titles, playoff wins and conference championships wins/apperances can tell you how good a team has been.

I didnt say its the measuring stick, but in the long run and even if you ask players, all that counts is championships.

Either way, the Steelers are there in all those categories.

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For me there are 5 distinct eras in Pro Football:

1). The "old" NFL days when there were like 8 teams. Back in those days the Steelers were the laughingstock of football and the Bears, Packers & Giants were the dominant teams.

2). The AFL/NFL days from 1960-1969. The upstart AFL put teams in KC, Boston, Houston, Oakland, Dallas and other non traditional markets.

3). The Super Bowl era: Broadway Joe was responsible for the merger.

4). The pre-salary cap era from 1970-1993.

5). The salary cap era from 1993 to present.

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