Jets OC Schottenheimer would welcome Favre back

[Jetfan13]

Jets OC Schottenheimer would welcome Favre back

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 NEW YORK -- Brian Schottenheimer believes Brett Favre still has plenty left in that rocket right arm.

"I would welcome the opportunity to coach Brett again," the New York Jets' offensive coordinator said Tuesday.

Schottenheimer, retained by new coach Rex Ryan, hasn't spoken to the 39-year-old quarterback since a late-season slump contributed to the Jets missing the playoffs. Favre is contemplating whether to retire or come back for a 19th NFL season, and second with New York. He's expected to make a decision in the next few weeks.

"He's probably in a tree stand right now as we speak doing some hunting," Schottenheimer said with a chuckle.

Favre is also healing from a torn biceps tendon in his throwing arm that might have contributed to a stretch in which he threw nine interceptions in the Jets' last five games.

New York went 1-4 and missed the playoffs -- costing coach Eric Mangini his job -- but Schottenheimer believes Favre could still help the Jets reach the playoffs.

"If he chooses to come back, he's still performing at a winning level," he said.

It was widely speculated that Schottenheimer wasn't pleased with having to restructure the offense after Favre joined the team late in training camp in a trade with Green Bay. Schottenheimer said that wasn't the case.

"I really enjoyed coaching Brett, I really did," he said. "So, when I said I'd welcome the chance to coach him again, I really, really enjoyed being around him, I enjoyed working with him. We had a heck of a relationship and I don't think anything would change if he does decide to come back again this season."

The team, along with Favre, went downhill after consecutive wins at New England and Tennessee put them atop the AFC East at 8-3.

"We weren't clicking on all cylinders," Schottenheimer said. "Some of them were design flaws on my part. Some of them were bad reads or bad decisions and some of them were core protection.

"It's unfair to put it all on Brett."

While Favre and his receivers were slow to click at first, the offense ended up putting up 405 points -- the third-highest total in franchise history. Schottenheimer said ball security, struggles on third down and failure to be consistent were the team's downfall.

"Midway through the season at 8-3, we did find our groove," he said. "Unfortunately, our groove dried up a little bit."

The 35-year-old Schottenheimer was one of the top candidates for the head coaching job and has been recognized as one of the top young offensive coordinators in the league. Ryan recognized that and said when he was hired that he would sit down with Schottenheimer, who had a year remaining on his contract, and discuss how he felt when he was passed over for the Baltimore job last year.

"When I finally got a chance to sit down and visit with Rex, it really was something that felt right. It felt really good," said Schottenheimer, who acknowledged being disappointed at first with the team's decision.

Schottenheimer's name was linked to a handful of other jobs around the league, but he said there was nothing substantial.

"The most important thing for me was to figure out, did I want to be a part of the Jets?" he said. "I was still under contract and at the end of the day after the smoke cleared, I really did feel like this was the best place for me."

[4HCrew]

What was he supposed to say? "Brett is finished and should retire" All of these guys will say the right thing

[SenorGato]

He just wants someone to blame for his suckitude since Mangini is gone.

[SoFlaJets]

I knew they should have fired this guy

[Jetfan13]

Jets | Schottenheimer not given full control of offense

Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:14:27 -0800

Dave Hutchinson, of the Star-Ledger, reports New York Jets offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer did not receive nor did he ask for full control of the offense. He said head coach Rex Ryan will be involved and will help with how defenses will defend against the offense.

[Borgoguy]

Jets | Schottenheimer not given full control of offense

Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:14:27 -0800

Dave Hutchinson, of the Star-Ledger, reports New York Jets offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer did not receive nor did he ask for full control of the offense. He said head coach Rex Ryan will be involved and will help with how defenses will defend against the offense.

Now you know Ryan was told to hire Schotty. I was thinking about this the other day. Rex Ryan has been lobbying for a head coaching job for years. It's probably all he has ever dreamt about. He is a bright, detail oriented man who, I am sure, comes loaded for bear for HC interviews. With that said, you know Ryan must have put together a detailed list of individuals who he'd want to hire as his offensive and defensive coaches should he, one day, get the HC gig. Now, when he's hired by the Jets, he mentions no one for OC other than Schottenheimer? What about his "dream OC" who he probably secured years ago? Right, I'm buying this bullcrap. Gun to his head, I would love to know who his real OC was.

[DMaynard]

Now you know Ryan was told to hire Schotty. I was thinking about this the other day. Rex Ryan has been lobbying for a head coaching job for years. It's probably all he has ever dreamt about. He is a bright, detail oriented man who, I am sure, comes loaded for bear for HC interviews. With that said, you know Ryan must have put together a detailed list of individuals who he'd want to hire as his offensive and defensive coaches should he, one day, get the HC gig. Now, when he's hired by the Jets, he mentions no one for OC other than Schottenheimer? What about his "dream OC" who he probably secured years ago? Right, I'm buying this bullcrap. Gun to his head, I would love to know who his real OC was.

Dream? How about anyone but Schotty?

Oh well, let's refer to my eternal optimist handbook. Schotty did so well after his first year at OC (2006), he was already a HC candidate. The o-line was so bad in 2007, no one could succeed (Chad, Clemens, T Jones, Schotty, Mangini). Maybe Favre and or Mangini kept Schotty from doing exactly what he wanted to do in 2008 now that he had a solid o-line. With Mangini gone and, hopefully, despite the political correct statements, Favre not returning, Schotty will return to brillance.

Yeah, that's the ticket. Yay Schotty.

[Borgoguy]

Dream? How about anyone but Schotty?

Oh well, let's refer to my eternal optimist handbook. Schotty did so well after his first year at OC (2006), he was already a HC candidate. The o-line was so bad in 2007, no one could succeed (Chad, Clemens, T Jones, Schotty, Mangini). Maybe Favre and or Mangini kept Schotty from doing exactly what he wanted to do in 2008 now that he had a solid o-line. With Mangini gone and, hopefully, despite the political correct statements, Favre not returning, Schotty will return to brillance.

Yeah, that's the ticket. Yay Schotty.

It makes no sense. You know a guy like Ryan has had his "dream team" of coaches in place for his eventual hiring as an NFL HC. No f**king way Brian Schottenheimer is at the top of that list. Classic Jet move: Saddle the incoming HC with someone who is already under contract.

[DMaynard]

It makes no sense. You know a guy like Ryan has had his "dream team" of coaches in place for his eventual hiring as an NFL HC. No f**king way Brian Schottenheimer is at the top of that list. Classic Jet move: Saddle the incoming HC with someone who is already under contract.

I loved his defense of not using Leon more. "We tried to get Leon the ball as much as possible"

Please. He is not a WR like Lance Alworth getting triple teamed. He is a runningback. How hard is it to put him in the game and hand him the damn ball?

[Sperm Edwards]

I loved his defense of not using Leon more. "We tried to get Leon the ball as much as possible"

Please. He is not a WR like Lance Alworth getting triple teamed. He is a runningback. How hard is it to put him in the game and hand him the damn ball?

Thomas Jones put him in a headlock in between each offensive series. Said "I get all the non-garbage-time carries if you know what's good for you. Check out these guns. [starts kissing his own biceps]...You don't want none of this, believe me."

[Jetfan13]

you know, you guys act like you have all the answers and know that the Jets are destined to ***** everything up all the time....give it a chance...maybe Schotty is the right guy...I don't see Rexy lying down and taking a job that certain aspects of will be shoved down his throat...doesn't sound like the RYAN WAY..He would surely land a hc position somewhere else within the next few years and I don't see him giving in to something now that he didn't agree with. All that would do is hurt his credibility as a hc in the future..

Alot of people in the league like Schotty as a hc possibility, I think they know a litle more then you guys

[slats]

Classic Jet move: Saddle the incoming HC with someone who is already under contract.

If the Jets did indeed force Schottenheimer on Ryan, it wasn't a money saving maneuver. With his raise and contract extension, he'll cost the Jets a lot more money if he fails and gets canned at the end of '09. They were very high on him. They feel he's a bright, talented coach. There's some disagreement about that in here, I gather.

Personally, I don't think it's a bad move for a defensive coach to hold onto the offensive staff from the previous regime. I haven't been following things too closely, but I'm hoping that Ryan's installed someone at QB coach (or other position) that he thinks highly of, who can get a foothold in to take over the offense should the time arise.

I also wouldn't take much from this fluff piece of an article. The most telling line in the whole thing might be: "Schottenheimer... hasn't spoken to the 39-year-old quarterback since a late-season slump contributed to the Jets missing the playoffs."

[SoFlaJets]

Thomas Jones put him in a headlock in between each offensive series. Said "I get all the non-garbage-time carries if you know what's good for you. Check out these guns. [starts kissing his own biceps]...You don't want none of this, believe me."

here could be something tro this scenario SE-he DID beat the **** out of Cedric Benson in Chicago...

[DMaynard]

you know, you guys act like you have all the answers and know that the Jets are destined to ***** everything up all the time....give it a chance...maybe Schotty is the right guy...I don't see Rexy lying down and taking a job that certain aspects of will be shoved down his throat...doesn't sound like the RYAN WAY..He would surely land a hc position somewhere else within the next few years and I don't see him giving in to something now that he didn't agree with. All that would do is hurt his credibility as a hc in the future..

Alot of people in the league like Schotty as a hc possibility, I think they know a litle more then you guys

I am hopeful that he will thrive with the subtraction of Mangini and Favre. And it doesn't hurt to have continuity on offense with a new defensive minded HC coming in.

We shall see.

[slats]

I loved his defense of not using Leon more. "We tried to get Leon the ball as much as possible"

Please. He is not a WR like Lance Alworth getting triple teamed. He is a runningback. How hard is it to put him in the game and hand him the damn ball?

Gotta wonder if that was all on Schottie, or if that was a top down decision. They could've been limiting his carries because he handled all their returns. I'd like to see a new punt returner next year, with Leon getting more touches on offense.

[Jetfan13]

I am hopeful that he will thrive with the subtraction of Mangini and Favre. And it doesn't hurt to have continuity on offense with a new defensive minded HC coming in.

We shall see.

absolutely

[Borgoguy]

you know, you guys act like you have all the answers and know that the Jets are destined to ***** everything up all the time....give it a chance...maybe Schotty is the right guy...I don't see Rexy lying down and taking a job that certain aspects of will be shoved down his throat...doesn't sound like the RYAN WAY..He would surely land a hc position somewhere else within the next few years and I don't see him giving in to something now that he didn't agree with. All that would do is hurt his credibility as a hc in the future..

Alot of people in the league like Schotty as a hc possibility, I think they know a litle more then you guys

I keep hearing this, but why is he still here? Lots of HCs have been fired the last two years. Why hasn't he been offered a job, especially by his own team if he's such a promising HC?

Also, it isn't about being given a chance. He's already had three years to prove his worth and skill. What I object to is that Ryan must have had an OC in mind for years if his eventual hiring as an NFL HC were to come about. Who is that guy? Don't tell me that Ryan scraps plans that he's probably had for years because he can work with Brian Schottenheimer. Give me a f**king break.

[Jetfan13]

I keep hearing this, but why is he still here? Lots of HCs have been fired the last two years. Why hasn't he been offered a job, especially by his own team if he's such a promising HC?

Also, it isn't about being given a chance. He's already had three years to prove his worth and skill. What I object to is that Ryan must have had an OC in mind for years if his eventual hiring as an NFL HC were to come about. Who is that guy? Don't tell me that Ryan scraps plans that he's probably had for years because he can work with Brian Schottenheimer. Give me a f**king break.

Maybe that guy is busy on a different coaching staff..

I understand what you are saying but we are not privy to everything going on behind closed doors...maybe his oc choice would be Brian Billick, but Billick decided he wants to be a HC again...we don't have all the details. Seems to me Woody is at least trying to do the right thing and until or if it fails, I am on board

[Borgoguy]

If the Jets did indeed force Schottenheimer on Ryan, it wasn't a money saving maneuver. With his raise and contract extension, he'll cost the Jets a lot more money if he fails and gets canned at the end of '09. They were very high on him. They feel he's a bright, talented coach. There's some disagreement about that in here, I gather. :confused0058:

Personally, I don't think it's a bad move for a defensive coach to hold onto the offensive staff from the previous regime. I haven't been following things too closely, but I'm hoping that Ryan's installed someone at QB coach (or other position) that he thinks highly of, who can get a foothold in to take over the offense should the time arise.

I also wouldn't take much from this fluff piece of an article. The most telling line in the whole thing might be: "Schottenheimer... hasn't spoken to the 39-year-old quarterback since a late-season slump contributed to the Jets missing the playoffs."

Why are you confused? Look at Schotty's track record the last three years. If you were in a performance based job and had his stats for three years, you'd be gone. No question. Also, the fact that the Jets gave him an extension bothers the f**k out of me. Why? If he's such a creative offensive coordinator, go out this year and prove it. Design the offense that wins games, and all NFL teams will emulate. Let the guy earn the extension.

[Borgoguy]

Maybe that guy is busy on a different coaching staff..

I understand what you are saying but we are not privy to everything going on behind closed doors...maybe his oc choice would be Brian Billick, but Billick decided he wants to be a HC again...we don't have all the details. Seems to me Woody is at least trying to do the right thing and until or if it fails, I am on board

Maybe that is correct. Who knows? Look, JF13, I am not trying to be a nut about this. I've said it before: I hope Schotty makes me eat crow because our offense is killing people. In my heart, however, I feel as though Schotty has a limited repertoire and was flat out awful at using many of our best offensive weapons.

[Jetfan13]

Why are you confused? Look at Schotty's track record the last three years. If you were in a performance based job and had his stats for three years, you'd be gone. No question. Also, the fact that the Jets gave him an extension bothers the f**k out of me. Why? If he's such a creative offensive coordinator, go out this year and prove it. Design the offense that wins games, and all NFL teams will emulate. Let the guy earn the extension.

so you are thinking Woody forced Ryan to keep Schotty on AND give him a raise?

I don't know man...

[Borgoguy]

so you are thinking Woody forced Ryan to keep Schotty on AND give him a raise?

I don't know man...

I'm not understanding your comment. I believe Woody wanted Schotty to be the OC. The part about a contract extension is either Woody's or Tannenbaum's responsibility. As far as I know, Ryan does not make that call.

[slats]

Why are you confused? Look at Schotty's track record the last three years. If you were in a performance based job and had his stats for three years, you'd be gone. No question. Also, the fact that the Jets gave him an extension bothers the f**k out of me. Why? If he's such a creative offensive coordinator, go out this year and prove it. Design the offense that wins games, and all NFL teams will emulate. Let the guy earn the extension.

Hey, you're free to not like the guy. I'm just saying that it wasn't a money decision that kept him on board. Ryan might actually really like him. Who knows?

I think the Jets have had some serious deficiencies as far as offensive talent is concerned over Brian's tenure here. QB problems, OL problems, TE problems, no go to guy at WR, etc. Last year it looked like it was finally coming together before Favre's arm fell apart. Jets were #9 in the league in scoring this year, which ain't bad for a team that failed to make the playoffs. Take away Favre's turnovers, and you probably have a much better number there.

[Borgoguy]

Hey, you're free to not like the guy. I'm just saying that it wasn't a money decision that kept him on board. Ryan might actually really like him. Who knows?

I think the Jets have had some serious deficiencies as far as offensive talent is concerned over Brian's tenure here. QB problems, OL problems, TE problems, no go to guy at WR, etc. Last year it looked like it was finally coming together before Favre's arm fell apart. Jets were #9 in the league in scoring this year, which ain't bad for a team that failed to make the playoffs. Take away Favre's turnovers, and you probably have a much better number there.

No joke, I hope you're right and I'm wrong.

[SoFlaJets]

so you are thinking Woody forced Ryan to keep Schotty on AND give him a raise?

I don't know man...

they seem to hold him in high regard 1-3...why I don't know-he's very average IMHO and I haven't heard any reports that he was being handcuffed by Mangini. Hey we're stuck with the guy so he better prove us wrong.

I would really like to see what he can do with either Ratliff or Clemens. Coaching Brett Favre has to be intimidating to a guy like Brian

[SMC]

I get the impression that Rex Ryan didn't give a **** if Schotty stayed or left. So when Mike T asked him about it, Rex likely said he was cool either way.

As such, I think the argument that the Jets "forced" Schotty on Rex is misplaced. If Rex was adamently against it and Mike T said he was doing it anyway, then you can say it was forced.

Plus, Rex had a meeting with Schotty and only after that meeting Schotty agreed to stay. Yes, he had 1 year left on his contract but he could have asked to be released from it or just quit.

As to the other points, we'll just have to see. It's good to read that Rex will have his imput. I believe the Jets will be even more run oriented in 2009 (just a hunch) and Leon will get the ball more, especially since he'll likely get extended (there is no way Mike T can allow Leon to be an UFA).

[Garb]

What makes you all so sure that Rex is all that? If I remember correctly, Herm was THE MAN before he became the butt of all barbeque jokes, and Mangini was a Mangenius before he became a Mangina. Don't quite understand why you all don't temper the expectations.

[Jetfan13]

What makes you all so sure that Rex is all that? If I remember correctly, Herm was THE MAN before he became the butt of all barbeque jokes, and Mangini was a Mangenius before he became a Mangina. Don't quite understand why you all don't temper the expectations.

and we don't understand why you have to constantly rain on our parade

[SMC]

and we don't understand why you have to constantly rain on our parade

Because Garb is like an old stripper longing for her heyday and still thinking she has what it takes to get on the pole.

[Garb]

and we don't understand why you have to constantly rain on our parade

It's what I do. I'm a biatch, remember?

Honestly, I just don't understand setting yourself up for disappointment. I'd rather just wait and see - or expect the same -and then be pleasantly suprised.

You will get another suprise though, Al. Someday, you will. The Jets will be Champs again. Someday. It's inevitable.

SMC - A stripper? C'mon....

Here's a story for you:

A bunch us went to Montreal for a long weekend - first year out of college. First real job. First real money. Anyway, we are walking around this weird part of the city in the early afternoon - decide to "bar-hop" and we end up in this quiet place with a stage. I'm thinking - "hmmm, this is weird." (I can be so niave sometimes - even now) - then some guy comes up to me and a friend and says that we're late and to follow him. I'm like, WTF? So, I said something like "now way, freak." Then, after some back and forth, I figured out he thought we were there to audition for an exotic dancer position. I do remember being all indignant and telling him I wasn't some slut!

See, I've been riding my high horse for quite a while now.

[124]

I would too... if we werent $7-9 million OVER the cap and in need of players at ILB, CB, S and WR.

[SenorGato]

Hey, you're free to not like the guy. I'm just saying that it wasn't a money decision that kept him on board. Ryan might actually really like him. Who knows?

I think the Jets have had some serious deficiencies as far as offensive talent is concerned over Brian's tenure here. QB problems, OL problems, TE problems, no go to guy at WR, etc. Last year it looked like it was finally coming together before Favre's arm fell apart. Jets were #9 in the league in scoring this year, which ain't bad for a team that failed to make the playoffs. Take away Favre's turnovers, and you probably have a much better number there.

Have you watched the Jets over the past 3 years? They've looked sluggish and crappy, especially on offense.

There's no way a MAN like Rex would want a daddy's b*tch like Schotty coaching his soldiers.

[ECURB]

Tell Shotty pay his ass too then... just run Leon and shut up...

[kelticwizard]

I find the whole situation fairly bizarre. In all pro sports, the new coach or manager chooses his own assistants. Being sons of coaches, Ryan and Schotty might know each other socially but they haven't worked together and new coaches appoint assistants with whom they have worked.

Frankly, it looks like Ryan has been stuck with coaches who would not be his first or second choice. I don't believe I have ever seen that before-a new coach coming in and working with the previous coach's assistants.

[Sperm Edwards]

I find the whole situation fairly bizarre. In all pro sports, the new coach or manager chooses his own assistants. Being sons of coaches, Ryan and Schotty might know each other socially but they haven't worked together and new coaches appoint assistants with whom they have worked.

Frankly, it looks like Ryan has been stuck with coaches who would not be his first or second choice. I don't believe I have ever seen that before-a new coach coming in and working with the previous coach's assistants.

Mangini worked with Schottenheimer and Sutton?