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**A-Rod Tested Positive For Steroids In 2003** [Merged 3X]

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How disappointing. I was so excited for Spring Training, and now I just have a sickening feeling in my stomach. You know this is going to be a huge distraction for months, and A-Rod - who already is not that well-liked - is going to be public enemy number 1 for the entire season.

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We should probably trade him. Yankee fans are absolute animals, and he's going to be booed off his home field.

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God ****ing dammit, I hate A-Rod! I try to like this guy, but it just never ends, it's always something with him. We are never going win with this guy.. it's just not going happen.

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If LeBron James or Kobe was caught taking something they shouldn't or if Sidney Crosby or Ovechkin we're cheating with illegal sticks or skates or something, it would be the same thing.

That being said, I know he is not the only one and I was speaking from the angle that this report tarnishes the game and makes it even more of a disgrace. Cover ups and lies. It's ridiculous.

No it wouldn't, no one cares about steroids in the other sports. Shawn Merriman failed a test, and no one batted an eye. He was in the the Pro Bowl, that same year.

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Probably because it was Shawn Merriman. If it was Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or a more well known player. Plus, the NFL has long had steroid testing policies and the police their own fairly well. Major League Baseball has not done anything until recently. it's a shame.

Shawn Merriman isn't a known player? Since when?

But, I'll agree with you on Manning and Brady, QB's are on different levels.

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You lose all credibility with this statement.

Every team would love to have this guy on their team.

Excuse me? You might want re-read my post.

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Instead of this being an easy transition for Mark Teixeira into the Yankees' clubhouse; he's instead going to be grilled at every opportunity on what was going on in the Rangers clubhouse in '03.

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The list of 104 names should be released all at once, or not at all. Otherwise, this just comes across as a (somewhat justified) witch hunt.

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You know what else is messed up? One of the best athletes in the world felt the need to do steroids.

I'm sure we'll get the rest of the names.

Bonds

Clemens

A-Rod

These are baseball's best..why should we believe anyone is clean?

I love baseball, I wish we can say it's clean, to be a baseball fan in this era, must be a little cynical. 50 years from now they are going to look back at this era, and completely right it off. Does it piss me off? Sure it does. Is it going to stop me from rooting for A-Rod this spring? Absolutely not.

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That's a little overboard to say considering you backed Clemens story to the last hour. Seems you conveniently change your tune when the subject matter hits home , AKA the Bronx.

Not sure why I should justify myself to you, but I'll do it anyways, how am I changing my tune right now? My stand on steroids hasn't' changed in a while now. Unless you want to be miserable old ****s or Yankee haters, like you come across as, than you must be a cynical when it comes to steroids and baseball. By the way, do you stalk me or something?

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you shouldn't try to evaluate facts because you are obviously blinded by delusional homerism........

The facts are neckdemon is that steroids is a baseball problem, not just a Yankee problem, no matter how much you wish it was. Obviously the Rangers and Orioles had large problems, in there clubhouses, teams the Yankees had to beat to get to some of those World Series, so excuse if I think the whole "90's championships are tainted" non sense. 17 players showed up on the Mitchell Report who played for the Mets.. a guy sold steroids out of your clubhouse. All we have right now are 3 names who have dropped the dime on players. McNamee, Rodomski, and Canseco. We haven't even seen the tip of the iceberg.

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So is A-Rod just going to wait for spring training to respond to this or what?

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He'll respond when his lawyer tells him its ok. Otherwise he'll just come off looking like an idiot.

Can't say I disagree with that... he'll just say something stupid.

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How about this... just say Arod cheated and is a liar and his career has been forever tainted because of this...

It's hard for me to go along with that, I simply don't believe steroids played a big role in A-Rod's career. Unless he started taking steroids in high school. Remember the Mariners took him #1 overall. He was drafted in '93, and hit 36 home runs in his 1st full season in the majors. The reason most people didn't believe A-Rod did steroids is because he was this good, pretty much from the get go. He didn't go from really good to amazing like Bonds did, or went from a declining player to a star player again like McGwire did.

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Here's a good read from Rob Neyer.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3891343&name=Neyer_Rob

However it shakes out, A-Rod still a great player

Saturday, February 7, 2009 | Feedback | Print Entry

Today -- Feb. 7, 2009 -- a date which will live in infamy …

At least for Alex Rodriguez.

His image, so obviously, so often clumsily constructed, has been shattered into a million tiny pieces. You could say whatever you wanted about his astronomical salaries and his postseason struggles and his "Single White Female" relationship with Derek Jeter, but you couldn't argue that he wasn't perhaps the most talented baseball player on the planet.

Until now, perhaps. Now, some of the pundits will argue that A-Rod wasn't so great after all; and further, that even if he was a great player, his (alleged) cheating should taint his entire legacy and perhaps even keep him out of the Hall of Fame.

But then there's this …

I'm reading Tom Verducci's new book, and flagging passages worth returning to later. As you've no doubt heard, most of the material about Alex Rodriguez isn't particularly flattering. I've flagged most of those parts. But I also flagged this one:

Rodriguez did impress his teammates with a relentless work ethic. They found him to be the baseball equivalent of a gym rat. He knew everything going on around baseball and he never stopped working. One night in 2007 he showed up in the dugout 10 minutes before the first pitch with blood dripping from his hands and knees. "What the hell happened to you?" somebody asked.

I hope Alex Rodriguez didn't cheat. If we do find out that he cheated, I will wish that he hadn't. But whatever happens, I'm not going to change my opinion that he's a great baseball player. Like many of the greatest players, he'll do whatever it takes to be the best player he can be. For a stretch of five or 10 years -- and yes, perhaps even today still -- being the best player could have meant cheating. Maybe the cheaters were wrong; that's the direction in which I lean, probably because I've got a streak of the moralist in me. But I will not sit idly while great athletes looking for an edge -- not all that different from the many generations before them -- are demonized by the high priests of baseball opinion. I will not.

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No. What I am saying is while many players use, just because ANOTHER high profile Yankee player gets caught does not mean you can say everyone is using as a attempt to make light of it or quote Rob Neyer as if that makes it ok to cheat. No hate for Yankees just the chest thumper fans during good times who feel any negative discussion on them is off topic in instances like this.

If you can't handle non Yankee fan opinions maybe going back to JI's circle jerk is best for you. If you can, then this board is a great place to talk baseball with VARIOUS fans opinion allowed.

Few things..

For the record, no one is saying Alex Rodriguez used steroids as a Yankee, not that it really matters.

Am I not aloud to challenge other people's opinion? Did I miss something that said you are the voice of JN baseball forum?

Steroids is not solely a Yankee problem, no matter how you spin it. Your Mes had 17 players in the Mitchell Report, and a towell boy selling steroids and other drugs out of your clubhouse. And for the record, he was in that clubhouse during the Mets championship run in 1986. So you can bring up the 90's all you want, but every team in baseball has some taint in this era.

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No it doesn't matter but it is curious that the article states he had to be forewarned of his Sept 2004 upcoming test. Read into that as you will.

"According to the 2007 Mitchell Report on steroid use in baseball, in September 2004, Gene Orza, the chief operating officer of the players' union, violated an agreement with MLB by tipping off a player (not named in the report) about an upcoming, supposedly unannounced drug test. Three major league players who spoke to SI said that Rodriguez was also tipped by Orza in early September 2004 that he would be tested later that month. Rodriguez declined to respond on Thursday when asked about the warning Orza provided him."

Also, no Mets fans that I have seen have ever argued, debated, made light of or tried to deny anytime a Met player was named. Finally, yes you are allowed to challenge opinions but please take down the one way street sign you are carrying when it comes to that subject.

In light of yesterdays news, there are 2 major issues in my opinion. You named one of them. It's becoming pretty obvious MLBPA is warning it's players, maybe just it's big stars before they are tested. Who is to say they didn't warn A-Rod, Pujols, or whoever since the PED policy was put in place after 2003. The other issue is obviously why A-Rods named was leaked.

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if you don't go along with a-rod being a cheater then you certainly can't hold steroids against bonds either. bonds was a pretty darn great player before he "supposedly" took his steroids. you can't conveniently pick who you think the steroids helped and didn't help.....i mean i guess you can, but it just invalidates your opinion then. imo, anyone who did steroids is a fraud. and i don't buy that "i only did it once or twice crap". caught doing steroids = invalidtaed cheater. rodriguez just joined that list.

Sorry I don't think everyone is in the same boat, A-Rods numbers never skyrocketed like Bonds numbers did. Sure there all stupid, and deserve all the criticism they get. But I'd prefer to know the details. When they did it, how long they did it, and how much it actually effected them. Then I can make an accurate judgement. I don't like this whole witch hunt.. on all these guys. They made mistakes, but I don't think these guys should be held out of the Hall of Fame for this. Bonds was a Hall of Famer way before he took steroids, and so was A-Rod and Clemens. McGwire.. well he's a different story, I don't think he was a Hall of Famer before he did.

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Unless they were tested from the day they were drafted up until today, that's something we'll never know and any player caught will deny it or "admit" to having used a couple of times, but never regularly and it'll be something along the lines of "I gave it a shot, but I didn't really notice any difference in my performance so I figured it wasn't worth it"

A-Rod has the luxury in saying he hit 36 homer runs in his first full year in the majors, so unless he's a complete sham, and has been using performance enhancement drugs since he came into league, than it's really hard to say steroids helped him. He's also been tested since 2003 on a regular basis. And has put up huge numbers. Oh well, lets wait and see what he has to say.

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You can't be so selective as to necessarily know WHEN these guys did in fact use.

If you are caught onse, unfortunately, that casts doubt over a career. That is the stigma standard.

Yes I can, and I will... I'm not interested in demonizing these guys.

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It really doesn't matter what he has to say now, I think. Like Torre said in his book, A-rod cares about his legacy and now that is all ruined. Whatever he does now, he's going to be judged differently.

A-Rod has a very big chunk of his career ahead of him. What if he goes out there and puts up his normal career numbers the next 9 years? Wins a few MVPS, then what? A-Rod isn't at the end of his career like Bonds or Clemens or McGwire. Time heals everything.

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McGuire had the luxury of being able to say he hit 49 HR's his rookie year, too bad he wasn't there to talk about the past.

A-Rod has never let up since his rookie year, McGwire was a declining player when he took steroids, and then all of sudden he breaks Maris' record.

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You are speaking to "what if's".

Purported Fact-A-Rod used in 2003. Fact-It was one of his best years with an MVP

"What if" he hits .280 or teh rest of his career with 28 homers and 90RBI?

Does that mean ALL of teh prior years were "roid' years? Of course not. But we can't re-visit history and guess.

That is what happens when you taint yourself. The entire record is tainted, not just selective entries.

Again, you chose to demonize these players, I wont.

I'll bet good money A-Rod puts up his usual numbers.

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He might....and many fans (myself included) will just wonder what he's using to keep it up and how is MLB not catching him. Nature of the beast.

How do you people enjoy baseball and all your thinking about is if these guys used steroids? I feel bad for you.

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ESPN just said Alex admitted using PED to Gammons.

Thank God.

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Unfortunately it is the cheaters that make the game less enjoyable.

Because you let them make it less enjoyable. It's game. Every era of baseball has it's problems, gambling, throwing games, and now steroids. I'll say it again. You must be a little cynical with sports. Plenty of athletes are cheating, in all sports. It's a fact of life.

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No worries, I don't need your sympathy over the fact that I expect guys with positive steroid tests to be using steroids. Just not living in denial that's all.

It's a game.. for entertainment. I love the game of baseball, I don't give a **** about all this other nonsense.

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Tyler, not to pick on you, but when you first found out this news, your response was ****!

Are you just coping now, by acceptance?

That's exactly what I said, because I knew this was going to be huge, I was looking forward to this upcoming season, and to be honest, I'm sick and tired of talking about steroids, and just want to watch some baseball.

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So A-Rod admits using steroids from 2001-2003 with the Texas Rangers

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:rl:

legalese 101..admit only to what they have evidence of..

this doesnt mean he didnt 'use' before 2001..I hope NO ONE is that naive

To be fair, they have evidence he used in 2003, not 2001 or 2002.

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duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

thats what i said,,he will admit to what they have evidenc eof..

but based on his admitted use, he is now suspect going back to day one

There is no evidence he used in 2001 or 2002, but he admited to using steroids from 2001-2003. So you're wrong.

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A-Rod also told Katie Couric he never felt the need to use performance enhancers because he's always dominated on the baseball field. Now we should believe that he only used them from 01-03 but continued to put up the same numbers moving from one of the best hitters parks in baseball to one of the worst hitters parks in baseball (for righties anyway). He's a schmuck.

When you have a boot on your throat, you usually tell the truth, unless your name is Roger or Barry.

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What boot is on his throat? He is in no leagal danger.

Only his reputation, which he damn well may lie for.

Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds. Enough said.

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And when you tell the "truth", fans of your particlar team will defend you, while others call BS. There are A LOT more people calling BS than there are who believe him.

That's great, I don't give a ****, I just want this to be over, so we can play some baseball.

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