Morrissey 13,036 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 McGuire had the luxury of being able to say he hit 49 HR's his rookie year, too bad he wasn't there to talk about the past. A-Rod has never let up since his rookie year, McGwire was a declining player when he took steroids, and then all of sudden he breaks Maris' record. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Morrissey 13,036 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 You are speaking to "what if's". Purported Fact-A-Rod used in 2003. Fact-It was one of his best years with an MVP "What if" he hits .280 or teh rest of his career with 28 homers and 90RBI? Does that mean ALL of teh prior years were "roid' years? Of course not. But we can't re-visit history and guess. That is what happens when you taint yourself. The entire record is tainted, not just selective entries. Again, you chose to demonize these players, I wont. I'll bet good money A-Rod puts up his usual numbers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AFJF 43,478 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Again, you chose to demonize these players, I wont. I'll bet good money A-Rod puts up his usual numbers. He might....and many fans (myself included) will just wonder what he's using to keep it up and how is MLB not catching him. Nature of the beast. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Morrissey 13,036 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 He might....and many fans (myself included) will just wonder what he's using to keep it up and how is MLB not catching him. Nature of the beast. How do you people enjoy baseball and all your thinking about is if these guys used steroids? I feel bad for you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Morrissey 13,036 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 ESPN just said Alex admitted using PED to Gammons. Thank God. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zeebers 2,685 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 How do you people enjoy baseball and all your thinking about is if these guys used steroids? I feel bad for you. Unfortunately it is the cheaters that make the game less enjoyable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AFJF 43,478 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 How do you people enjoy baseball and all your thinking about is if these guys used steroids? I feel bad for you. No worries, I don't need your sympathy over the fact that I expect guys with positive steroid tests to be using steroids. Just not living in denial that's all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Morrissey 13,036 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Unfortunately it is the cheaters that make the game less enjoyable. Because you let them make it less enjoyable. It's game. Every era of baseball has it's problems, gambling, throwing games, and now steroids. I'll say it again. You must be a little cynical with sports. Plenty of athletes are cheating, in all sports. It's a fact of life. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Dierking 134,876 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Again, you chose to demonize these players, I wont. I'll bet good money A-Rod puts up his usual numbers. Ummm, didn't A-Rod "demonize" himself? How am I the one doing it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AFJF 43,478 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Unfortunately it is the cheaters that make the game less enjoyable. So true. I wonder how long I can keep watching as more and more lying, low life, cheating scum bags are exposed. I suppose as long as they continue to expose players who fit that description it won't bother me quite as much. Although I wish there was a way for the Yanks to dump A-Roid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Morrissey 13,036 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 No worries, I don't need your sympathy over the fact that I expect guys with positive steroid tests to be using steroids. Just not living in denial that's all. It's a game.. for entertainment. I love the game of baseball, I don't give a **** about all this other nonsense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thor99 410,326 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 I have a feeling this thread would have a different tone if it had been David Ortiz or Manny Ramirez who was 'outed'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Dierking 134,876 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 It's a game.. for entertainment. I love the game of baseball, I don't give a **** about all this other nonsense. Tyler, not to pick on you, but when you first found out this news, your response was ****! Are you just coping now, by acceptance? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GimmeShelter 21,641 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 I have a feeling this thread would have a different tone if it had been David Ortiz or Manny Ramirez who was 'outed'. I agree. Apparently ARod is taping a interview to air tonight admitting he used. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Morrissey 13,036 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Tyler, not to pick on you, but when you first found out this news, your response was ****! Are you just coping now, by acceptance? That's exactly what I said, because I knew this was going to be huge, I was looking forward to this upcoming season, and to be honest, I'm sick and tired of talking about steroids, and just want to watch some baseball. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AFJF 43,478 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 It's a game.. for entertainment. I love the game of baseball, I don't give a **** about all this other nonsense. I'm fully aware of that. I've discussed countless times in the baseball and football forums. I know some people are okay with having a murderer/rapist/child molester/cheter/drug addict on their roster as long as they perform. Everyone draws their lines based on their morals/values/ethics. Personally, I enjoy any activity more when I know there are as few criminals as possible involved in it. That's just me though. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Morrissey 13,036 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 So A-Rod admits using steroids from 2001-2003 with the Texas Rangers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thor99 410,326 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 So A-Rod admits using steroids from 2001-2003 with the Texas Rangers But on the Yanks, with Clemens, Pettite and Giambi around he didn't touch them. Okay. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernJet 209,258 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 So A-Rod admits using steroids from 2001-2003 with the Texas Rangers legalese 101..admit only to what they have evidence of.. this doesnt mean he didnt 'use' before 2001..I hope NO ONE is that naive Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Dierking 134,876 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 That's exactly what I said, because I knew this was going to be huge, I was looking forward to this upcoming season, and to be honest, I'm sick and tired of talking about steroids, and just want to watch some baseball. Do you want a sport where everyone competes on a level playing field, or one where there are disadvantages if you don't "cheat"? Does that bother you. I know you are younger, but for me, "numbers" meant a lot about this game. There were benchmarks on how you judged players. The 90's took those benchmarks and shattered the ceilings. While we were initially led to believe what a difference the "ball" and the "athlete" had made in achieveing that, it is dissapointing to find out that they were chemically altered. I would rather that sport be "pure" and be about what you truly earn to accomplish. Let's not cheapen the sport bey doing whatever we can get away with. You don't remember such days, but the sport used to be a lot of fun. This is not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Morrissey 13,036 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 legalese 101..admit only to what they have evidence of.. this doesnt mean he didnt 'use' before 2001..I hope NO ONE is that naive To be fair, they have evidence he used in 2003, not 2001 or 2002. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernJet 209,258 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Do you want a sport where everyone competes on a level playing field, or one where there are disadvantages if you don't "cheat"? Does that bother you. I know you are younger, but for me, "numbers" meant a lot about this game. There were benchmarks on how you judged players. The 90's took those benchmarks and shattered the ceilings. While we were initially led to believe what a difference the "ball" and the "athlete" had made in achieveing that, it is dissapointing to find out that they were chemically altered. I would rather that sport be "pure" and be about what you truly earn to accomplish. Let's not cheapen the sport bey doing whatever we can get away with. You don't remember such days, but the sport used to be a lot of fun. This is not. yup,,these thugturds, bonds, mcgwire, aroid etc are RUINING the game.. thugturds all of them and not worthy of HOF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AFJF 43,478 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 So A-Rod admits using steroids from 2001-2003 with the Texas Rangers A-Rod also told Katie Couric he never felt the need to use performance enhancers because he's always dominated on the baseball field. Now we should believe that he only used them from 01-03 but continued to put up the same numbers moving from one of the best hitters parks in baseball to one of the worst hitters parks in baseball (for righties anyway). He's a schmuck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernJet 209,258 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 To be fair, they have evidence he used in 2003, not 2001 or 2002. duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh thats what i said,,he will admit to what they have evidenc eof.. but based on his admitted use, he is now suspect going back to day one Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thor99 410,326 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh thats what i said,,he will admit to what they have evidenc eof.. but based on his admitted use, he is now suspect going back to day one There is only the test from 2003, not from '01 and '02. He is admitting to more than they have evidence of. Which is the exact opposite of what you said. He still comes off as a jackass, though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Morrissey 13,036 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh thats what i said,,he will admit to what they have evidenc eof.. but based on his admitted use, he is now suspect going back to day one There is no evidence he used in 2001 or 2002, but he admited to using steroids from 2001-2003. So you're wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Morrissey 13,036 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 A-Rod also told Katie Couric he never felt the need to use performance enhancers because he's always dominated on the baseball field. Now we should believe that he only used them from 01-03 but continued to put up the same numbers moving from one of the best hitters parks in baseball to one of the worst hitters parks in baseball (for righties anyway). He's a schmuck. When you have a boot on your throat, you usually tell the truth, unless your name is Roger or Barry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Dierking 134,876 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Does he "admit" that Orza and the union tpped him to tests in 2004? You can't trust this man. What, we are only to believe n ow because he got caught? I go though this with my kids every day. You earn trust. Not just be admitting AFTER you get caught. Sorry, but that is teh way it is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Dierking 134,876 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 When you have a boot on your throat, you usually tell the truth, unless your name is Roger or Barry. What boot is on his throat? He is in no leagal danger. Only his reputation, which he damn well may lie for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Morrissey 13,036 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 What boot is on his throat? He is in no leagal danger. Only his reputation, which he damn well may lie for. Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds. Enough said. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AFJF 43,478 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 When you have a boot on your throat, you usually tell the truth, unless your name is Roger or Barry. And when you tell the "truth", fans of your particlar team will defend you, while others call BS. There are A LOT more people calling BS than there are who believe him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Morrissey 13,036 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 And when you tell the "truth", fans of your particlar team will defend you, while others call BS. There are A LOT more people calling BS than there are who believe him. That's great, I don't give a ****, I just want this to be over, so we can play some baseball. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Dierking 134,876 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds. Enough said. When did Alex lie in a court of law? What are you talking about? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GimmeShelter 21,641 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 So A-Rod admits using steroids from 2001-2003 with the Texas Rangers Well you still have to wonder why he needed to be warned of a upcoming test in 2004. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lil Bit Special 168,184 Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds. Enough said. Has A*Rod lied to a Grand Jury or in front of congress? (honestly I dont know...) If he didnt, he has nothing legal to worry about. If he did.... uh oh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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