Matt39 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 He flat out dominated the steroid era at about 160lbs soaking wet. Him and Mo man, the last we got left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Nobody in history had a more dominant run through the league in their prime. Hopefully that'll finally become universally accepted, because Pedro seriously had very little advantages against hitters beyond the ones he made himself. And TBH, we'll never know everyone that did roids back in the day. Pedro's not a non-suspect, and honestly neither is Rivera...or Jeter...or anyone else for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 He flat out dominated the steroid era at about 160lbs soaking wet. Him and Mo man, the last we got left. Pedro drank midget sperm... which had magical powers. so he's a cheater also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Nobody in history had a more dominant run through the league in their prime. Hopefully that'll finally become universally accepted, because Pedro seriously had very little advantages against hitters beyond the ones he made himself. And TBH, we'll never know everyone that did roids back in the day. Pedro's not a non-suspect, and honestly neither is Rivera...or Jeter...or anyone else for that matter.[/quote] True. I am reading a book now on the 86 Mets seasons and 1/2 the team was taking speed on a daily basis. Choir boys like Gary Carter are even mentioned as taking it at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Nobody in history had a more dominant run through the league in their prime. Hopefully that'll finally become universally accepted, because Pedro seriously had very little advantages against hitters beyond the ones he made himself. And TBH, we'll never know everyone that did roids back in the day. Pedro's not a non-suspect, and honestly neither is Rivera...or Jeter...or anyone else for that matter. Very true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Mad Dog > Pedro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Mad Dog > Pedro For an overall career maybe, but Pedro's dominant years match up with anyone else's dominant years. He was just filthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 For an overall career maybe, but Pedro's dominant years match up with anyone else's dominant years. He was just filthy. Without a doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Mad Dog > Pedro No one touches Pedro's prime. To put up the numbers he put in a hitters park in the AL East during the late 90's is just ridiculous. Maddux is underrated as hell though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Nobody in history had a more dominant run through the league in their prime. No one touches Pedro's prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 I'll side with the great Red Sox fan Peter Gammons on this one who annointed Mo Rivera as the GOAT after it was clear that Bonds was guilty of steroid use. That is of course, until we find out the Mo and every other player in MLB has been on some type of roid/performance enhancer over the past 20 or so years. In which case I guess he'd be the best of a bunch of juiced up players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Even without knowing the players were juicing, Pedro is the GOAT (as far as pitchers) IMO. Walter Johnson is the only guy you could even argue as far as I'm concerned. Pedro has the highest career ERA+ (154) for a starting pitcher and the highest single-season mark in the modern era (291) in 2000 - a season in which his ERA (1.74) was over 3 runs better than the league average (5.07). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 What does Babe Ruth have to do with best pitching prime? He was a really good pitcher. Pitchers I'd put above Pedro career wise is pretty long. You know what pitcher is really underrated as far as historical rankings concerned? Randy Johnson. From '92 to '02 the lowest ERA+ he put up was a 135 in '95. I think one day people will call him the best LH pitcher in history, or at least the most dominant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 What does Babe Ruth have to do with best pitching prime? 'All this' in the original post is an obvious reference to ARod and your post mentioned Jeter. But sure, now that you restrict it to pitchers, I'll vote for Pedro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 What does Babe Ruth have to do with best pitching prime? He was a really good pitcher. Pitchers I'd put above Pedro career wise is pretty long. You know what pitcher is really underrated as far as historical rankings concerned? Randy Johnson. From '92 to '02 the lowest ERA+ he put up was a 135 in '95. I think one day people will call him the best LH pitcher in history, or at least the most dominant. RJ had almost 400 strikeouts in a season once. That's not even video game numbers...you can't even do that in a video game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 'All this' in the original post is an obvious reference to ARod and your post mentioned Jeter. But sure, now that you restrict it to pitchers, I'll vote for Pedro. I meant pitcher from the start. If I were to include hitters then it'd Babe Ruth and Ted Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 RJ had almost 400 strikeouts in a season once. That's not even video game numbers...you can't even do that in a video game. MVP baseball 2005 - 547 strikeouts Right handed though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Between Pedro and Mo for greatest of this joke of an Era, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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