Maxman Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 http://www.jetnation.com/?p=2068 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted February 15, 2009 Author Share Posted February 15, 2009 Are You Sure You Want Sanchez? February 15, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcatxl Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 are we talking about the sanchez that would be a fifth year senior? The one that had been at USC for four years? The one getting his degree this spring? He has a fifth year of eligibility left. He's not really leaving early in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I never wanted Sanchez and this only "confirms" that notion. If Pete Carroll says the guy isn't ready, I'll take his word for it. Bring in a vet and give Ratliff and Clemens a fighting chance. With our running game and hopefully improved defense, we won't need the quarterback to go out and win games, a la the Titans/Ravens of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted February 15, 2009 Author Share Posted February 15, 2009 are we talking about the sanchez that would be a fifth year senior? The one that had been at USC for four years? The one getting his degree this spring? He has a fifth year of eligibility left. He's not really leaving early in my mind. Yes, I think Mike is referring to on the field time only. I asked him about this and he said: He only could play on the field 3 years. He only started 1 year and could not beat out Booty who was a 5th rounder and sits on the bench for the QB starved Vikings In his last 7 regular season games while surrounded by NFL talent he had an average 17-7 TD-INT ratio His coach came out and said he should come back, if that is not a red flag what is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gang_green03 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Everytime I see this arguement I counter with the question, how many QBs with limited experience were allowed to sit at least a year and/or had a good team around them? I've looked at the list of QBs with less than 3 years experience and almost all of them were forced to start their rookie years. Also, many of them had very weak supporting casts around them so they weren't even put in a position to succeed right away. Recently, Ryan and Flacco are exceptions to the rule, but it still shows that even if they have limited experience if you put good pieces around them and don't ask them to do much right away it can really help them be successful. Aaron Rodgers is another example that if you give guys with little experience time to sit, they can come in and be successful. The rest that haven't done much, out of the QBs with less than 3 years starting, were all not given a chance to sit and learn and get used to the NFL speed (Young, Carr, Russell, etc.). I think I read a post here, that makes a good point, that many times the underclassmen that come out do so when their stock is inflated and, therefore, go high in the draft to bad teams. These teams then are forced to go to them early out of necessity, or to justify the high pick, and now this inexperienced rookie is playing on a bad team before he's ready, compounding everything. Also, many QBs that fail have other serious weakness that are equal if not more of a problem than experience, like accuracy, reading defenses, etc. I would like the Jets to take Sanchez if he falls to them or within a pick or two of 17 because he doesn't really have huge weaknesses aside from a severe lack of experience. If all other things remained the same he had 2 more years of starting he'd likely be the #1 pick and solidly ahead of Stafford. This would be a good situation since it'll be either Clemens or Ratliff this year, so he won't have to play until at least his second season and when he does play it should be a similar situation to Flacco if the coach stays true to building the team the way the Ravens are; a team that's reliant on a strong running game and defense, not the QB (at least initially). Now me wanting the Jets to take Sanchez is contingent on them being smart and patient with him, which knowing the Jets if they do end up taking Sanchez they'll mess things up by rushing him:rolleyes:. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I never want to draft someone in the 1st round who has only one year of starting experience, I don't care who he studied behind and what school he played for. No thanks. Battle it out with just Clemens, Ratliff & Ainge before wasting our 1st round pick on Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcatxl Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 in his defense Im sure carroll only gave booty the nod based on his name. It's pretty solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green_blood Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Yeah, our three all star qbs we already have... If Sanchez dropped to 17, which he probably wont, HOW DUMB CAN YOU BE? The golden rule in drafting is if you dont have a franchise qb, you draft someone who can be one. Hmm, an UDFA who looked good against truck drivers and Walmart door greeters, a lanky ass suck job on roids and Kellen Clemens who from what I can gather hasnt improved, but has only regressed. Please, you people crack me up. You want this team to suck as much or more than it already has? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I never want to draft someone in the 1st round who has only one year of starting experience, I don't care who he studied behind and what school he played for. No thanks. Battle it out with just Clemens, Ratliff & Ainge before wasting our 1st round pick on Sanchez. You just got done telling all of us that wear and tear on a QB is crazy (Matt Cassell talk) and that they get beat down quickly... so explain to me now why you want a more beat up QB? If a player is good... they are good... if they arent... they arent... Do you really think Kobe would be a better player if he didnt go to the NBA right outa high school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 You just got done telling all of us that wear and tear on a QB is crazy (Matt Cassell talk) and that they get beat down quickly... so explain to me now why you want a more beat up QB? I want a proven player, not an unproven player, any day of the week. All I said was for Cassel it would be better for him to make his millins backing up Brady than getting killed in San Francisco with a 5 year deal of death. Mark Sanchez after September was rather... well, nothing special. 1,700 yards in his last 7 games. One year starter. Sanchez is just a product of the USC formula like Leinart, Williams, Jarrett, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I don't want him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I just do not think Sanchez is the answer... Carroll's actions spoke volumes to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Yet another reason not to want Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I just do not think Sanchez is the answer... Carroll's actions spoke volumes to me. Pete's got NFL HC experience. If any college coach knows it's him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 The fact that so many people are willing to pass on a potential franchise QB like Sanchez in favor of Ratliff/Clemens really stuns me. You guy actually have that much faith that one of these two guys is the future? Based on what? Clemens has already had three years to step up and win the job and has failed to do so. Ratliff hasn't done anything outside of two long bombs in the pre-season. The odds are really stacked against these two guys being anything more than solid backups. How many times are we going to pass on these bluechip QB's before we step up and pull the trigger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted February 15, 2009 Author Share Posted February 15, 2009 http://www.jetnation.com/?p=2080 Preview: Pre-Combine, Pre-Free Agency February 15, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Sanchez is just a product of the USC formula like Leinart, Williams, Jarrett, etc. Yes, he is. Thats an Allstar team around him. Furthermore, Stafford is raw and unpolished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 The very interesting read. Really makes you think as to what direction might be best for the team. A lot depends on who is not resigned, who gets signed, and then who falls where in the draft. I have to think that we will not see many signings. That leaves the draft. Everyone wants the franchise QB in the first round. Is there one there? I wouldn't mind seeing a rb, but I think that cb or de is more of a pressing need now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Yes, I think Mike is referring to on the field time only. I asked him about this and he said: matt cassel never played a down at usc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 The very interesting read. Really makes you think as to what direction might be best for the team. A lot depends on who is not resigned, who gets signed, and then who falls where in the draft. I have to think that we will not see many signings. That leaves the draft. Everyone wants the franchise QB in the first round. Is there one there? I wouldn't mind seeing a rb, but I think that cb or de is more of a pressing need now. CB and DE are very pressing indeed, but so is a WR who can roll coverages and alter the opposing defense's gameplan. So it's obvious that we desperately need help at WR, CB and DE, but the question should be in what round do we address each??? I believe that we should address WR in the first, mainly becuase we have a dump truck load of middle-round talent type of receivers, but no elite first round type of talent. DE, I honestly would like to keep Mosley around, even though he only played in spot duty, he was the best pass rusher on our team...also a big fan of DeVito. CB, we definitely need help, considering it seems as though Lowery is best as a nickel back, but we shall see. THe point i'm getting at is, why should we address WR in the first and not DE or CB?? Well, I beleive that the only round we should draft a WR in is the first; Maclin, DHB, Harvin etc. Anyone else seems to not provide the skillset that we would need. Tyson Jackson would be a heck of an upgrade, but would his upside over Ziggy Hood, Fili Moala or Jason Gilbert be that much more so that it warrants losing our on Maclin/Harvin's and getting someone like Robiskie or Iglesias?? I personally don't think so. The same question goes for Vontae Davis over one of the first round WRs and possibly getting DJ Moore or Coye Francis later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetkid94 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Good article but id like to wait until after free agency to see an article like this. plenty of questions in the article that can get easliy answered in free agency, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 The fact that so many people are willing to pass on a potential franchise QB like Sanchez in favor of Ratliff/Clemens really stuns me. You guy actually have that much faith that one of these two guys is the future? Based on what? Clemens has already had three years to step up and win the job and has failed to do so. Ratliff hasn't done anything outside of two long bombs in the pre-season. The odds are really stacked against these two guys being anything more than solid backups. How many times are we going to pass on these bluechip QB's before we step up and pull the trigger? Sanchez ? bluechip ? Even his own coach knows better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 The fact that so many people are willing to pass on a potential franchise QB like Sanchez in favor of Ratliff/Clemens really stuns me. You guy actually have that much faith that one of these two guys is the future? Based on what? Clemens has already had three years to step up and win the job and has failed to do so. Ratliff hasn't done anything outside of two long bombs in the pre-season. The odds are really stacked against these two guys being anything more than solid backups. How many times are we going to pass on these bluechip QB's before we step up and pull the trigger? Mark Sanchez is far from a star and when Pete Carroll was telling him he should've stayed, thats a sign that most NFL scouts and fans should/will respect. The guy had one OKAY season at USC, I'm not sold on him at all. Nor am I sold on Stafford. I don't think there is a Quarterback in this draft whose going to be any better than Average, and that is their ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Sanchez ? bluechip ? Even his own coach knows better. All things being equal, what did Carroll expect? Pete cited a study that said a majority of one year starters fail in the NFL. How many of them have a chance to put name to a $60 million contract this summer? Lienart stayed for the college experience and he probably cost himself $50 million. Sanchez might suck. He can suck with $50+ million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Sanchez might suck. He can suck with $50+ million. Unless he's picked in the Top 3, good luck to him getting anything close to that. Sanchez will be picked between 11-25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Unless he's picked in the Top 3, good luck to him getting anything close to that. Sanchez will be picked between 11-25. Still, even if he blows at Pro day, he will have milions to cry over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Mark Sanchez is far from a star and when Pete Carroll was telling him he should've stayed, thats a sign that most NFL scouts and fans should/will respect. The guy had one OKAY season at USC, I'm not sold on him at all. Nor am I sold on Stafford. I don't think there is a Quarterback in this draft whose going to be any better than Average, and that is their ceiling. Carroll is known as a stubborn guy in many circles. You don't think he was a little pissed about his star QB not returning when his team is set up for a run at the national championship? Palmer, Leinart, and Booty all stayed through their senior seasons. Sanchez bucked the trend and I'm sure that got to Pete a little. As far as an "OKAY" season, the guy threw for over 3200 yards, 34 TD's and 10 INT's. That's not an okay season, that's a great season. And he put up those numbers without nearly the amount of talent on offense that a guy like Leinart had. He has everything you seek in a franchise QB. The only negative that anyone can point out when evaluating him is his lack of experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGDIRK Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 If he falls to 17 you take him. Period. When you have a chance to draft a potential franchise QB at 17, you grab him. Had Sanchez stayed at USC....if he didnt get hurt, he'd have been a top 3 pick n 2010. If we can land him, take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 He has everything you seek in a franchise QB. The only negative that anyone can point out when evaluating him is his lack of experience. The same has been sad for 100's of Quarterbacks the last few years, including Matt Leinart. If the Jets had to pick one of the garbage QB's in this draft, go with Nate Davis or Josh Freeman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 no dirty sanchez please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 The same has been sad for 100's of Quarterbacks the last few years, including Matt Leinart. If the Jets had to pick one of the garbage QB's in this draft, go with Nate Davis or Josh Freeman. And some were hits, some were misses. What's your point? The draft is a crapshoot. Guys like Freeman are the physical specimens that scouts fall in love with despite them proving dick on the playing field. The guys accuracy is horrid and he's not exactly known as the sharpest tool in the shed. Unless the coaching staff is totally sold on Ratliff/Clemens (which I find very hard to believe) then we'd be fools to pass on Sanchez if he's still available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Id say that is certinly a solid effort by Bit as we are about to fix up the roster. Is it just me or have we been searching since we let go of Aaron Glenn and Marcus Coleman for good depth in the secondary? Damien Robinson, Erik Coleman, Andre Dyson, David Barrett, Sam Garnes, Eric Smith, Hank Poteat, Abram Elam, Jon McGraw, Aaron Beasley, Donnie Abraham, Ty Law, and on and on. Its like a revolving door of suckiness. It will be interesting to see where the team goes here because right now they have a rare cover corner and a bunch of trash. Richardson seems interested in coming back, I just wonder if Schottenheimer wants him back or not. He seems to have liked the H-back position better than a straight FB, but Richardsons blocking was outstanding last year when we ran. The problem is the Jets like trickery and Richardson, other than potential for a rare handoff, brings none. I agree with the RB thought. I could definitely see the Jets bringing someone else in if they can. The Jets know the best way to hide the QB play is to run the ball. With Jones older and Leon never having shown the ability to carry more than a few times I could see the Jets making a move here. I atually wonder what the price tag would be to bring Derrick Ward back here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
war ensemble Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Good article but id like to wait until after free agency to see an article like this. plenty of questions in the article that can get easliy answered in free agency, One major point of the article is to highlight the questions before everything else happens. Once you know what needs to be answered, you can go out and answer them. Writing an article like this after free agency doesn't make sense--very few questions would remain to write about. Knowing what needs to be addressed will allow us to know what to look forward to, or inform us of something similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 If Sanchez were there at 17, we'd be dumb not to take him. Young, highly talented QB's are valued somewhat highly in this league from what I hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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