Jetfan13 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 BY Rich Cimini DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER Friday, February 20th 2009, 2:21 AM Carr/AP Ray Lewis INDIANAPOLIS - The Ray Lewis rumors got a lot louder Thursday night. The Jets left themselves perilously thin at inside linebacker, releasing veteran backups David Bowens and Brad Kassell - moves that could mean they're clearing the deck to pursue Lewis or Ravens teammate Bart Scott, another inside linebacker. "They must be targeting a linebacker, probably from Baltimore," Bowens said in a phone interview. New coach Rex Ryan, previously the Ravens' defensive coordinator, knows Lewis and Scott as well as anyone. Ryan has only one experienced inside linebacker under contract, David Harris, so it doesn't take a genius to connect the dots. Lewis and Scott will be free agents on Feb. 27, although the Ravens are expected to make a push to sign Lewis before he hits the open market. The Ravens used their franchise tag on outside linebacker Terrell Suggs, effectively removing him from the market. Scott wants to stay in Baltimore, but he doubts that will happen. "If you're able to keep all three of us, you'd almost have to be a miracle worker," he said Wednesday on Sirius Radio. Lewis is a future Hall of Famer and has said he'd enjoy being reunited with Ryan, but Scott, 28, makes more sense to the Jets because he's nearly six years younger than Lewis. Scott will be one of the most coveted free agents in the league, but the Jets have $18 million in salary-cap space after gaining an additional $3 million with the release of Bowens and Kassell. Jets' brass arrived here at the scouting combine with several pressing issues. They will meet Friday night with the agent for right guard Brandon Moore, who is due a $7 million roster bonus. The team poured a lot of money into the offensive line last offseason and wants to renegotiate his contract. Failing that, the Jets may release Moore, their best run blocker. He'd immediately become one of the top free-agent guards. They also may part ways with tight end Chris Baker, another financially motivated decision. If he's on the roster March 5, the Jets would have to guarantee $9 million in salary over the next three years - a prohibitive amount at a position where they invested a first-round choice in Dustin Keller. The Jets can use some of the savings for running back Leon Washington, whom they'd like to sign to a long-term deal. Washington, entering the final year of his contract, is likely seeking Darren Sproles money; the Chargers' all-purpose dynamo received the franchise tag - a cool $6.6 million for one year. Meanwhile, the Jets lost a respected leader in Bowens, who started five games when Harris was hurt. Bowens recently underwent arthroscopic knee surgery. "My knee was messed up since training camp," he said. "I could've sat down, but I sucked it up for the team. Was it worth it? Yeah, it was. I put the team ahead of me." PICK IT UP: The Jets will receive a third-round pick for LB Jonathan Vilma, whom they traded to the Saints last March. It would escalate to a second-rounder if Vilma re-signs before the start of free agency, but that is unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 BY Rich Cimini DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER Friday, February 20th 2009, 2:21 AM Carr/AP Ray Lewis INDIANAPOLIS - The Ray Lewis rumors got a lot louder Thursday night. The Jets left themselves perilously thin at inside linebacker, releasing veteran backups David Bowens and Brad Kassell - moves that could mean they're clearing the deck to pursue Lewis or Ravens teammate Bart Scott, another inside linebacker. "They must be targeting a linebacker, probably from Baltimore," Bowens said in a phone interview. New coach Rex Ryan, previously the Ravens' defensive coordinator, knows Lewis and Scott as well as anyone. Ryan has only one experienced inside linebacker under contract, David Harris, so it doesn't take a genius to connect the dots. Lewis and Scott will be free agents on Feb. 27, although the Ravens are expected to make a push to sign Lewis before he hits the open market. The Ravens used their franchise tag on outside linebacker Terrell Suggs, effectively removing him from the market. Scott wants to stay in Baltimore, but he doubts that will happen. "If you're able to keep all three of us, you'd almost have to be a miracle worker," he said Wednesday on Sirius Radio. Lewis is a future Hall of Famer and has said he'd enjoy being reunited with Ryan, but Scott, 28, makes more sense to the Jets because he's nearly six years younger than Lewis. Scott will be one of the most coveted free agents in the league, but the Jets have $18 million in salary-cap space after gaining an additional $3 million with the release of Bowens and Kassell. Jets' brass arrived here at the scouting combine with several pressing issues. They will meet Friday night with the agent for right guard Brandon Moore, who is due a $7 million roster bonus. The team poured a lot of money into the offensive line last offseason and wants to renegotiate his contract. Failing that, the Jets may release Moore, their best run blocker. He'd immediately become one of the top free-agent guards. They also may part ways with tight end Chris Baker, another financially motivated decision. If he's on the roster March 5, the Jets would have to guarantee $9 million in salary over the next three years - a prohibitive amount at a position where they invested a first-round choice in Dustin Keller. The Jets can use some of the savings for running back Leon Washington, whom they'd like to sign to a long-term deal. Washington, entering the final year of his contract, is likely seeking Darren Sproles money; the Chargers' all-purpose dynamo received the franchise tag - a cool $6.6 million for one year. Meanwhile, the Jets lost a respected leader in Bowens, who started five games when Harris was hurt. Bowens recently underwent arthroscopic knee surgery. "My knee was messed up since training camp," he said. "I could've sat down, but I sucked it up for the team. Was it worth it? Yeah, it was. I put the team ahead of me." PICK IT UP: The Jets will receive a third-round pick for LB Jonathan Vilma, whom they traded to the Saints last March. It would escalate to a second-rounder if Vilma re-signs before the start of free agency, but that is unlikely. why do we want Lewis over Vick again...i forget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 stir that pot rich, but let the experts cook the meal, ray isn't coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoping4ASuperBowl Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 stir that pot rich, but let the experts cook the meal, ray isn't coming my money's on Scott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 why do we want Lewis over Vick again...i forget So SouthernJet can create yet another Thug Turd Thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 I am actually more excited about the parts in bold then Lewis being a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 why do we want Lewis over Vick again...i forget well let's see. vick was convicted of his crime....a crime that he personally did with his own handsa. lewis was not convicted of his crime, a crime which was supposedly done by someone he was with...who were also acquitted. oh and there's also the part where ray lewis is a great lb'er and vick is a ****ty qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Let Ray Ray Retire Retire down there. Bring in Bart. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 well let's see. vick was convicted of his crime....a crime that he personally did with his own handsa. lewis was not convicted of his crime, a crime which was supposedly done by someone he was with...who were also acquitted. oh and there's also the part where ray lewis is a great lb'er and vick is a ****ty qb. Keep on believing...OJ was innocent too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 So SouthernJet can create yet another Thug Turd Thread? Thank you T, i haven't had my cup of jo yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Keep on believing...OJ was innocent too i never said OJ was innocent. but that's besides the point. vick still sucks and lewis is still awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 BY Rich Cimini DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER Friday, February 20th 2009, 2:21 AM Carr/AP Ray Lewis Jets' brass arrived here at the scouting combine with several pressing issues. They will meet Friday night with the agent for right guard Brandon Moore, who is due a $7 million roster bonus. The team poured a lot of money into the offensive line last offseason and wants to renegotiate his contract. Failing that, the Jets may release Moore, their best run blocker. He'd immediately become one of the top free-agent guards. Funny how prior to last year, Moore was allegedly a POS, now he's the Jets' "best run blocker." Sounds to me like Cimini is readying a rip piece if the Jets cut Moore loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 i never said OJ was innocent. but that's besides the point. vick still sucks and lewis is still awesome. well you certainly believe that Lewis is innocent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 well you certainly believe that Lewis is innocent not exactly. but the fact is that vick was convicted and lewis was not. and, like i keep saying, vick sucks and lewis doesn't. your original question was why we want lewis and not vick.......that's my answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 well let's see. vick was convicted of his crime....a crime that he personally did with his own handsa. lewis was not convicted of his crime, a crime which was supposedly done by someone he was with...who were also acquitted. oh and there's also the part where ray lewis is a great lb'er and vick is a ****ty qb. Vick paid for his crime, and then some. Say what you want about Vick being a ****ty QB, but he's still better than anyone on our roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Why does the Brandon Moore situation remind me so much of 2005 and Reggie McKenzie? We all said "ahh, it's OK he wasn't THAT good anyway". Two years later we see him in the Super Bowl. Don't make the same mistake twice. Chris Baker and 9 million? C-ya #86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Bart would be smart Ray would be not. Cmon Jets enough with the aged band aids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Why does the Brandon Moore situation remind me so much of 2005 and Reggie McKenzie? We all said "ahh, it's OK he wasn't THAT good anyway". Two years later we see him in the Super Bowl. Don't make the same mistake twice. Chris Baker and 9 million? C-ya #86 kareem mckenzie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Why does the Brandon Moore situation remind me so much of 2005 and Reggie McKenzie? We all said "ahh, it's OK he wasn't THAT good anyway". Two years later we see him in the Super Bowl. Don't make the same mistake twice. Chris Baker and 9 million? C-ya #86 Kareem McKenzie but yes I get your point... as for Baker, the Jets can let him go but truly need to get a blocking tight end. And get Franks out of here as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Vick paid for his crime, and then some. Say what you want about Vick being a ****ty QB, but he's still better than anyone on our roster. id we signed vick i would find another team to root for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 id we signed vick i would find another team to root for. +1 would be tough to root for him or them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 +1 would be tough to root for him or them... same goes for Lewis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Why does the Brandon Moore situation remind me so much of 2005 and Reggie McKenzie? We all said "ahh, it's OK he wasn't THAT good anyway". Two years later we see him in the Super Bowl. Don't make the same mistake twice. Chris Baker and 9 million? C-ya #86 You nailed it, SFJ. Releasing Moore would be a hige mistake. Just like McKenzie was. I would not miss Baker for the money he is making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Kareem McKenzie but yes I get your point... as for Baker, the Jets can let him go but truly need to get a blocking tight end. And get Franks out of here as well yup THAT guy Kareem...I agree 4H Bubba was a big disappointment and will be gone. Remember when we all wanted him and got Becht instead in 2000-day late, dollar short again Jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 After thinking about it for a couple of weeks, I'd rather have Bart Scott than Ray Lewis. Pretty much a quote by Pat Kirwan on Sirius made me do a 180. "Ray Lewis' leadership exists only in Baltmiore. What happens when he goes elsewhere and misses four tackles in a game because he is slowing down each season? The leadership means nothing there, it is a new group of guys. His leadership is in Baltimore only" I hope we can re-work that $7 million roster bonus with Brandon because he is our best run blocking Offensive Linemand and when it comes to Baker, when you have Dustin Keller on the roster, its time to say goodbye and bring in a top tier blocking Tight End to stay in and block while Keller catches passes in the slot ala Dallas Clark, the man he is compared too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 I hope we can re-work that $7 million roster bonus with Brandon Two things. First, it's 5M, not 7M. Second, we don't actually want to restructure Moore. We could if we really had to clear the cap room this year, but we don't. The 2009 and 2011 roster bonuses basically make Moore's current deal two two-year contracts at 6.5M apiece. Restructuring now to spread out the 2009 bonus will take away our option to cut ties free and clear in 2011 should his play fall off. Pace and Rhodes can be (have been?) restructured, but with Moore I think we either pay the bonus or cut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 BY Rich Cimini DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER Friday, February 20th 2009, 2:21 AM *** Jets have $18 million in salary-cap space after gaining an additional $3 million with the release of Bowens and Kassell. Jets' brass arrived here at the scouting combine with several pressing issues. They will meet Friday night with the agent for right guard Brandon Moore, who is due a $7 million roster bonus. The team poured a lot of money into the offensive line last offseason and wants to renegotiate his contract. Failing that, the Jets may release Moore, their best run blocker. He'd immediately become one . How in the **** does this make sense? 1) The Jets have $18 million in cap space. 2) Spent a ton last year on Oline 3) Rex wants to be a run-first team 4) Would cut Moore, their best run blocker, because of $7 million roster bonus. Seriously, how the **** does cutting Moore make sense??? Does Cimini think anything out. If they spent a ton on the Oline last year and want to be a run-first team, why would they mess up the Oline by getting rid of Moore??? Sorry to rant, but either Cimini is a bloody idiot or the Jets FO is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 How in the **** does this make sense? 1) The Jets have $18 million in cap space. 2) Spent a ton last year on Oline 3) Rex wants to be a run-first team 4) Would cut Moore, their best run blocker, because of $7 million roster bonus. Seriously, how the **** does cutting Moore make sense??? Does Cimini think anything out. If they spent a ton on the Oline last year and want to be a run-first team, why would they mess up the Oline by getting rid of Moore??? Sorry to rant, but either Cimini is a bloody idiot or the Jets FO is. Have you seen a recent picture of Cimini? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Cutting Moore makes ZERO sense. We are supposely going to be a run first, run second and run or pass third type team, yet we are considering releasing our best run blocking Offensive Lineman? Makes no sense to me either SMC. If Moore is cut I question what exactly Rex Ryan is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Why does the Brandon Moore situation remind me so much of 2005 and Reggie McKenzie? We all said "ahh, it's OK he wasn't THAT good anyway". Two years later we see him in the Super Bowl. Don't make the same mistake twice. Chris Baker and 9 million? C-ya #86 SoFla, completely different situation. McKenzie was an UFA then while Moore is under contract. With McKenzie, the Jets were tight against the cap and couldn't afford to re-sign him at the money the Giants were willing to give him. I want to keep Moore as well because it makes no sense to get rid of him and screw up the OLine the Jets invested heavily in. But Bradway wanted to keep McKenzie but couldn't because the contracts of the 3Cs were killing the team (Chad, Chrebet, and CuMart) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 No to Lewis, sorry guys I don't want anyone past their twilight years. Maybe to Scott Keep Moore, please. Wish we would have kept Bowens, but I understand the money aspect of it all. Cya Baker it's been nice. And one they didn't mention, I would cut ties or trade Coles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 How in the **** does this make sense? 1) The Jets have $18 million in cap space. 2) Spent a ton last year on Oline 3) Rex wants to be a run-first team 4) Would cut Moore, their best run blocker, because of $7 million roster bonus. Seriously, how the **** does cutting Moore make sense??? Does Cimini think anything out. If they spent a ton on the Oline last year and want to be a run-first team, why would they mess up the Oline by getting rid of Moore??? Sorry to rant, but either Cimini is a bloody idiot or the Jets FO is. They'll renegotiate it in some way. There is no way the Jets ever intended to pay Brandon a one-time check of $7M at the time he signed his contract 2 years ago. Whatever they do now has been planned and put in motion 2 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Seriously, how the **** does cutting Moore make sense??? It doesn't, and I don't think we will. If you'll look at the breakdown on Jason's page, though, you can see that renegotiating at this point doesn't make any sense either. http://nyjetscap.com/brandonmoore.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 why do we want Lewis over Vick again...i forget Lewis is actually a good football player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 No to Lewis, sorry guys I don't want anyone past their twilight years. Maybe to Scott Keep Moore, please. Wish we would have kept Bowens, but I understand the money aspect of it all. Cya Baker it's been nice. And one they didn't mention, I would cut ties or trade Coles. It's going to be near impossible to move Coles. His contract for 6M is guaranteed. If you trade him, it's off the books, but who would want to inherit a 6M contract for him? If you cut him, you're on the books for the 6M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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