bitonti Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Another mock offseason. As UT and others will relate it's easier to bash these things than make em, so I decided to take a crack at it... tried to make this as realistic as possible, not what I hope happens but what I predict will happen. Any feedback appreciated. **** FA Signings: ILB Bart Scott, S Jim Leonard, CB Chris McAlister, QB J.P. Losman. Re-signings: PK Mike Nugent, DT C.J. Mosley. Jets Draft with Comments. 1.17 CB Alphonso Smith - Wake Forest: Ball hawking corner will prove that skill is more important than size. 2.20 DE Connor Barwin - Cincinnati: Can never have enough pass rush or versaility. Barwin can also play 3TE, sounds like Vrabel. 3.12 WR Mike Wallace - Ole Miss: This guy could have the fastest run in Indy, if he's still around it's an underrated pick. WSU Brandon Gibson could also be a good 3rd round pick. 4.15 FB Quinn Johnson - LSU: Tony Richardson is great but very old. Johnson is a bruiser. 5.17 K/P Graham Gano - Florida State: The Jets need a punter who can coffin corner and a kicker. Gano can do both. 6.20 TE Anthony Hill - NC State: Hill is an injury prone player which is why didn't go higher - but balanced can run block and catch. 7.9 ILB Antonio Appleby - Virginia: Appleby played ILB in 3-4 for 4 years, he's plug and play. 7.19 RB Josh Vaughan - Richmond: Under the radar back has a nose for the end zone. Backed up Tim Hightower before his senior year. projected 53 man roster * = Starter 25 Offense 3 QB QB Ratliff* QB Losman QB Ainge 3 RB RB Jones* RB Washington RB Vaughan 2 FB FB Johnson* FB Caulcrick 7 WR WR Coles* WR Cotchery* WR Stuckey WR Clowney WR Wright WR Wallace WR B Smith 3 TE TE Keller* TE Baker TE Hill 7 OL OT Ferguson* OG Faneca* OC Mangold* OG Moore* OT Woody* OT Hunter OC Turner 25 Defense 7 DE/DT DE Coleman* DT Jenkins* DE Ellis* DE Devito DE Pitoitua DT Pouha DT Mosley 9 LB OLB Pace* OLB Thomas* ILB Scott* ILB Harris* OLB Gholston OLB Murrell ILB Trusnik ILB Appleby OLB Barwin 9 DB CB Revis* CB McAlister* FS Leonard* SS Rhodes* CB A Smith CB Lowery CB Carroll FS Smith SS Elam 3 Specialists P Graham Gano* K Mike Nugent* LS James Dearth* *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 I like most of this, except the following. 1. Brett Ratliff starting 2. We should resign Richardson 3. There is no way we are going to carry 7 WR's Losman isn't a bad insurance policy at all in case Clemens goes down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Another mock offseason. As UT and others will relate it's easier to bash these things than make em, so I decided to take a crack at it... tried to make this as realistic as possible, not what I hope happens but what I predict will happen. Any feedback appreciated. **** FA Signings: ILB Bart Scott, S Jim Leonard, CB Chris McAlister, QB J.P. Losman. Re-signings: PK Mike Nugent, DT C.J. Mosley. Jets Draft with Comments. 1.17 CB Alphonso Smith - Wake Forest: Ball hawking corner will prove that skill is more important than size. 2.20 DE Connor Barwin - Cincinnati: Can never have enough pass rush or versaility. Barwin can also play 3TE, sounds like Vrabel. 3.12 WR Mike Wallace - Ole Miss: This guy could have the fastest run in Indy, if he's still around it's an underrated pick. WSU Brandon Gibson could also be a good 3rd round pick. 4.15 FB Quinn Johnson - LSU: Tony Richardson is great but very old. Johnson is a bruiser. 5.17 K/P Graham Gano - Florida State: The Jets need a punter who can coffin corner and a kicker. Gano can do both. 6.20 TE Anthony Hill - NC State: Hill is an injury prone player which is why didn't go higher - but balanced can run block and catch. 7.9 ILB Antonio Appleby - Virginia: Appleby played ILB in 3-4 for 4 years, he's plug and play. 7.19 RB Josh Vaughan - Richmond: Under the radar back has a nose for the end zone. Backed up Tim Hightower before his senior year. projected 53 man roster * = Starter 25 Offense 3 QB QB Ratliff* QB Losman QB Ainge 3 RB RB Jones* RB Washington RB Vaughan 2 FB FB Johnson* FB Caulcrick 7 WR WR Coles* WR Cotchery* WR Stuckey WR Clowney WR Wright WR Wallace WR B Smith 3 TE TE Keller* TE Baker TE Hill 7 OL OT Ferguson* OG Faneca* OC Mangold* OG Moore* OT Woody* OT Hunter OC Turner 25 Defense 7 DE/DT DE Coleman* DT Jenkins* DE Ellis* DE Devito DE Pitoitua DT Pouha DT Mosley 9 LB OLB Pace* OLB Thomas* ILB Scott* ILB Harris* OLB Gholston OLB Murrell ILB Trusnik ILB Appleby ILB Cummings 9 DB CB Revis* CB McAlister* FS Leonard* SS Rhodes* CB A Smith CB Lowery CB Carroll FS Smith SS Elam 3 Specialists P Graham Gano* K Mike Nugent* LS James Dearth* *** Love it U go Draft daddy:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Good stuff, Bitonti. What I'd disagree with are: I'd want to bring Richardson back; Brad Smith is getting cut; that extra WR slot will go to another OLineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 3 QB QB Ratliff* QB Losman QB Ainge You're better than this. If you take all the starting quarterbacks in the league who were drafted in the fifth or later and were starting in their second year out of school, and add to that list all the quarterbacks who went undrafted and were starting in their third year out of school, you get Tom Brady. If Ratliff and Ainge are the competition, Clemens or Losman or whoever else we get is the prohibitive favorite to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 You're better than this. If you take all the starting quarterbacks in the league who were drafted in the fifth or later and were starting in their second year out of school, and add to that list all the quarterbacks who went undrafted and were starting in their third year out of school, you get Tom Brady. If Ratliff and Ainge are the competition, Clemens or Losman or whoever else we get is the prohibitive favorite to start. You're 100% correct, Mr. Spock. But I think Bones is using wishful thinking with this selection rather cold hard percentages. Ratliff has to beat very long odds to be the starter, but Bones is guessing he will on a wing and a prayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 You're 100% correct, Mr. Spock. But I think Bones is using wishful thinking with this selection rather cold hard percentages. Ratliff has to beat very long odds to be the starter, but Bones is guessing he will on a wing and a prayer. It's not one guy guessing. It's a whole board full of people who are apparently so goddamned smart that they can confidently predict that something is going to happen for the first time ever. Or second, counting Brady. So can I fiat Ratliff getting Vicked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 LIKE: Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard, but don't think they will be able to afford both. DON'T LIKE: JP Loserman. No way. No thank you. Rather have Ray Lucas back. RISKY: Old, broken CBs like McAlister BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 It's not one guy guessing. It's a whole board full of people who are apparently so goddamned smart that they can confidently predict that something is going to happen for the first time ever. Or second, counting Brady. So can I fiat Ratliff getting Vicked? Ratliff replaced Aaron Rodgers at JC and Alex Smith at Utah he's not your average UDFA. Aten you say I'm better than this, well you are better than slanting crazy stats to fit your point. What about Dellhome, Romo, Warner? because they didn't start less than 3 years out of school they aren't relevant? and yes this is just one scenario. Clemens could start, heck even Ainge can start... im just putting out there 1 possible scenario, in a situation where none can be considered "likely" at this point. but you should realize if a whole board is "fooled" maybe it's not about stats or draft picks but actually who is the best football player of the three. There is no beat writer, no draft expert who knows as much about the NYJ than the die hard fans of the NYJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 DON'T LIKE: JP Loserman. No way. No thank you. Rather have Ray Lucas back. RISKY: Old, broken CBs like McAlister BZ the QB thing i see playing out with the Jets signing a less than great Vet. Someone who a kid would have to beat out... someone not very good. It could Losman, it could be Kitna who is likely to get cut. What they aren't gonna do is sign someone who is obviously gonna be the starter from day1. as for McAlister I agree it's risky, which is why I have them still going CB in round 1. McAlister won't even be ready to pass a physical until after mini camps so it's not likely he gets more than an incentive type deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 I like Leftwhich as a VET QB. Not him, but a good challenge, backup. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 You're better than this. If you take all the starting quarterbacks in the league who were drafted in the fifth or later and were starting in their second year out of school, and add to that list all the quarterbacks who went undrafted and were starting in their third year out of school, you get Tom Brady. If Ratliff and Ainge are the competition, Clemens or Losman or whoever else we get is the prohibitive favorite to start. Wouldn't Tyler Thigpen also qualify under that criteria as well? That increases your list by 100%! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightCash Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Our 2nd rounder wont make the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Ratliff replaced Aaron Rodgers at JC and Alex Smith at Utah he's not your average UDFA. Aten you say I'm better than this, well you are better than slanting crazy stats to fit your point. What about Dellhome, Romo, Warner? because they didn't start less than 3 years out of school they aren't relevant? Of course they're relevant. They're relevant to a point that I've seen you make countless times but have now conveniently forgotten: these things take time, and the deeper the prospect, the longer the timetable. They all became starters, and none of them did it in three years. It's not a slanted crazy stat just because it kills an argument you don't really even believe to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Wouldn't Tyler Thigpen also qualify under that criteria as well? That increases your list by 100%! If he continues to start, yes. If he turns into Gradkowski, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 If he continues to start, yes. If he turns into Gradkowski, no. Fair enough, but he still looks better than anyone we've got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 There is no beat writer, no draft expert who knows as much about the NYJ than the die hard fans of the NYJ. You're right. We need to get ARod and SBIII and Ham over here to educate my dumb ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 Our 2nd rounder wont make the team? nice catch, updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 If he continues to start, yes. If he turns into Gradkowski, no. what are your criteria? doess the player have to start and be great? for how long? or just start? im not saying ratliff starts and is the next Brady. Im saying he starts and it's a bumpy ride. but if it's something where we don't have to re-visit the situation every year, that's a positive development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 what are your criteria? doess the player have to start and be great? for how long? or just start? Just long enough to know that the team is starting him by choice and not because everybody else died in a gardening accident. I mean, if a guy like Gradkowski is what you're looking for in a starting quarterback for the Jets, by all means include him in the control group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 I wouldn't resign Mike Nugent (Shut up 124) and I really don't like our receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 I like the FA signings aside from McAllister, but I could see it. I can't see it if they're targeting a CB in the first round (which I hate, btw). First round CB's should absolutely be starting as rookies, especially in Rex's dee where they'll likely be asked to cover man-to-man a lot. The Jets should not go into the season with the same WR's as last year. It's not a good group, and the #1 guy (yes, it's still Coles) is on the downslope of his career. I want to see the position addressed as early as the first round, no later than the second. I also want to see a higher priority placed on the RB position. Thomas Jones is up there in years (yeah, I know he's somewhat low mileage), and next year will be the first that the Jets could cut him and get cap savings (if there is a cap). Be nice to have a suitable replacement in place - especially in what's supposed to be a good year for RB's. Seems to me the Jets have too many needs to be drafting a P/K and a FB in the middle rounds. I'm all for the BPA and all, but the Jets could use some bodies on both lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 The Jets should not go into the season with the same WR's as last year. it's not the same group i added Mike Wallace let's keep in mind the trends of this front office, they almost never use a 1st round pick on WR. Santana Moss was the only one for a long time. 3rd rounders and beyond tho they have no problem with that. I gotta be honest past the 1st round locks like Crabtree and Maclin, i like guys like Mike Wallace, Brandon gibson just as much if not more than the second tier guys everyone talks about. these are good players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Good job as always but don't we have two 4th round picks from the Kendall trade? I seem to be the only one that used two 4ths, I'm starting to think I missed something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 let's keep in mind the trends of this front office, they almost never use a 1st round pick on WR. Santana Moss was the only one for a long time. 3rd rounders and beyond tho they have no problem with that. I gotta be honest past the 1st round locks like Crabtree and Maclin, i like guys like Mike Wallace, Brandon gibson just as much if not more than the second tier guys everyone talks about. these are good players. You could be right about the WR's, you certainly follow it more closely than I do. You see, I agree with your FA priorities. It just seems to me that if they land two or three starters on dee in FA after last year's spending spree (and #1 pick), I'd think the priority in the draft would move to offense. And if the priority's offense, that would spell WR, IMHO. I understand your point about the FO, too, but maybe it's just time they went for a WR. They ignored the OL in the draft for years before '06 when they took two in the first round. Maybe, finally, the WR corps has been overlooked long enough, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 i would rather take a flyer on brandon tate in late 3rd /4th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 Good job as always but don't we have two 4th round picks from the Kendall trade? I seem to be the only one that used two 4ths, I'm starting to think I missed something. they did but i think 1 of the 4th goes to NO for vilma? end of the day they don't have both 4ths... could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 i would rather take a flyer on brandon tate in late 3rd /4th ohh that's another good name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 ohh that's another good name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 i would rather take a flyer on brandon tate in late 3rd /4th ohh that's another good name and his Chapel Hill rehab is going very very well by the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 I like the FA signings aside from McAllister, but I could see it. I can't see it if they're targeting a CB in the first round (which I hate, btw). First round CB's should absolutely be starting as rookies, especially in Rex's dee where they'll likely be asked to cover man-to-man a lot. The Jets should not go into the season with the same WR's as last year. It's not a good group, and the #1 guy (yes, it's still Coles) is on the downslope of his career. I want to see the position addressed as early as the first round, no later than the second. I also want to see a higher priority placed on the RB position. Thomas Jones is up there in years (yeah, I know he's somewhat low mileage), and next year will be the first that the Jets could cut him and get cap savings (if there is a cap). Be nice to have a suitable replacement in place - especially in what's supposed to be a good year for RB's. Seems to me the Jets have too many needs to be drafting a P/K and a FB in the middle rounds. I'm all for the BPA and all, but the Jets could use some bodies on both lines. Noooo, he added Mike Wallace. LOOK OUT EVERYBODY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Is DraftDaddy.com at the Combine Bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 they did but i think 1 of the 4th goes to NO for vilma? end of the day they don't have both 4ths... could be wrong. Yea that's right we got NO 3rd gave or 3rd to GB and then got Wash 4th and gave NO our 4th. Or you posting combine info on draft daddy? I have NFL Network anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Losman proved last season that he's not even an effective backup in this league. Ratliff? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Losman proved last season that he's not even an effective backup in this league. Ratliff? LOL hey IJ-read the thread I posted T-Rex Speaks...he makes a pretty good case as to why we DON'T need a veteran like a Warner or a Losman or anybody else for that matter-he seems confident in who we have here right now...seems anyway, but things do change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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