124 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=139619 Texas Tech WR Michael Crabtree measured only 6'1 1/4 and 215 pounds at Friday's NFL Scouting Combine weigh-in. He's two inches shorter than expected (and two inches shorter than Larry Fitzgerald). Crabtree was listed at 6'3/214 as a Red Raider. The third-year sophomore plays big, but red flags are mounting. He's not running at the Combine due to a mid-October ankle injury, and says he won't be healthy for another three weeks. Crabtree needs a big Pro Day to rebound. Feb. 20 - 4:28 pm et Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Fall to #17 Do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Overrated IMO. I've said that before this too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Overrated IMO. I've said that before this too. you have. I also believe he's overrated, to a point. In other words, I don't think he's a top 5 pick, even before this measurement, but #17 is a reasonable spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Overrated IMO. I've said that before this too. Of course he is... how can he not be with all the hype... he is still good though... I want the JETS to get Nicks myself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 you have. I also believe he's overrated, to a point. In other words, I don't think he's a top 5 pick, even before this measurement, but #17 is a reasonable spot. Yup. The comparisons with Calvin Johnson are laughable to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Yup. The comparisons with Calvin Johnson are laughable to say the least. Hell yeah... CJ is a beast! I would have loved to see him as a JET... Sucks he is stuck in that ****hole... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 He isn't Calvin Johnson, he never was. Doesn't have the same height or leaping ability. The only thing he has in common with Calvin Johnson is they both have terrific hands and they both may be the 2nd overall selection in the draft, but thats about it. When it comes to finding a WR to compare Crabtree to I'd say Dwayne Bowe. Very good, not great, but a #1 either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 ? the biggest DB's on the jets are revis and law, 2 of the bigger DB's in the NFL they are both about 5'11" 200 6'1" and 215 is def great size when you factor in his speed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Yup. The comparisons with Calvin Johnson are laughable to say the least. Who made THAT comparison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Who made THAT comparison? Every single Texas Tech game this season they went ON AND ON about Crabtree being the next big thing - The next Larry Fitz, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson. They never shut up about him. He's good, no doubt, but he's never going to be that type of stud and people DID talk of him that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryno the Jet Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Who made THAT comparison? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28858350/ Crabtree (6-3, 208) has much in common with Fitzgerald (6-3, 220). They each have a dazzling combination of size, hands, leaping ability and athleticism. They both dominated their position during their two seasons in college, after which they both were physically ready to move on to the NFL. Fitzgerald and the Detroit Lions' Calvin Johnson quickly have emerged has arguably the game's two best young receivers, and all signs point to Crabtree joining them to form an elite young trio. The Sporting News for one, but it is everywhere. I am biased b/c I f'n [highlight]HATE[/highlight] tech, but Crabtree is way overrated IMO. The Big 12 secondaries have been poor of late, and Crabtree's #'s are inflated due to the system in which he played. Go back and watch his biggest catch of the year vs. Texas. That was, perhaps, the poorest coverage I have ever seen when the game was on the line. Against A&M, he hardly was on the field. He has skinny legs, and I wonder how he will hold up in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uart Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 F-it, I'll take him if he's there at #17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 F-it, I'll take him if he's there at #17 you and me every damn poster on this board. He's not running at the combine, blah blah blah he's not as tall as we thought blah blah blah his legs are thin, his mother is bow-legged, his goldfish only lasted two ands a half weeks... Kid can play him some ball. Anybody give a **** about anything else? Or perhaps we should pick another Robertson or Gholston because they can jump higher and run faster than ACTUAL football players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 you and me every damn poster on this board. He's not running at the combine, blah blah blah he's not as tall as we thought blah blah blah his legs are thin, his mother is bow-legged, his goldfish only lasted two ands a half weeks... Kid can play him some ball. Anybody give a **** about anything else? Or perhaps we should pick another Robertson or Gholston because they can jump higher and run faster than ACTUAL football players. perfectly said. Crabtree may be overrated, but it's time we start picking FOOTBALL players and not TRACK/COMBINE STARS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 If the Jets passed on Crabtree at 17 there would be blood in the streets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted February 21, 2009 Author Share Posted February 21, 2009 If the Jets passed on Crabtree at 17 there would be blood in the streets. If Crabtree lasts to 17, despite being "only" 6'1+, it would be steal of the draft. He won't be a Top 3 or 5 guy in the NFL but he will be in the Top 10 area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 ? the biggest DB's on the jets are revis and law, 2 of the bigger DB's in the NFL they are both about 5'11" 200 6'1" and 215 is def great size when you factor in his speed I agree Marvin Harrison has made a decent living as an NFL WR. Santana Moss? Wes "Seriously" Welker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 I agree Marvin Harrison has made a decent living as an NFL WR. Santana Moss? Wes "Seriously" Welker? What do pats fans know about SOAD? "We will fight the heathens" was a direct shot at Belichick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryno the Jet Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 you and me every damn poster on this board. He's not running at the combine, blah blah blah he's not as tall as we thought blah blah blah his legs are thin, his mother is bow-legged, his goldfish only lasted two ands a half weeks... Kid can play him some ball. Anybody give a **** about anything else? Or perhaps we should pick another Robertson or Gholston because they can jump higher and run faster than ACTUAL football players. A ton of WRs have been able to "play some ball" in college, only to fail miserably in the NFL. Crabtree played against lackluster DBs throughout his college career in a system that threw the ball as much as any team in the NCAA. Not to mention, his coach (Leach) was known to keep his foot on the gas, regardless of the score. I have seen Crabtree in person numerous times. He is not as spectacular as everyone makes him out. The comparisons to Fitzgerald are laughable. I saw Larry play in college as well. He completely dominated anybody lined up across from him. I am not saying Crabtree will be a complete bust, but he is not a top ten pick. I would not be devastated if the Jets pulled the trigger on him at 17, but WRs are arguably the most hit or miss position out there, aside from QBs. His 40 time is very important, that is why people are questioning him not running at the combine. Look at Mike Williams from 05 for instance. He was a beast at USC. He was projected top 3 pre-combine. Ran slow and scared everyone, save the Lions, away. How has that worked out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 What do pats fans know about SOAD? They svck. Listen to some real music sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 A ton of WRs have been able to "play some ball" in college, only to fail miserably in the NFL. Crabtree played against lackluster DBs throughout his college career in a system that threw the ball as much as any team in the NCAA. Not to mention, his coach (Leach) was known to keep his foot on the gas, regardless of the score. I have seen Crabtree in person numerous times. He is not as spectacular as everyone makes him out. The comparisons to Fitzgerald are laughable. I saw Larry play in college as well. He completely dominated anybody lined up across from him. I am not saying Crabtree will be a complete bust, but he is not a top ten pick. I would not be devastated if the Jets pulled the trigger on him at 17, but WRs are arguably the most hit or miss position out there, aside from QBs. His 40 time is very important, that is why people are questioning him not running at the combine. Look at Mike Williams from 05 for instance. He was a beast at USC. He was projected top 3 pre-combine. Ran slow and scared everyone, save the Lions, away. How has that worked out? I appreciate the opinion, but honestly, Fitzgerald is the best WR in the NFL. Is he the only basis for comparison now when drafting at that position? Crabtree may have played against lackluster DB's, but he got open, caught the ball and flashed some serious talent. There is not a player--not a single one, that can't be knocked in some way pre-draft. Crabby is a baller and that makes for a good risk, not a bad one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 I appreciate the opinion, but honestly, Fitzgerald is the best WR in the NFL. Is he the only basis for comparison now when drafting at that position? Crabtree may have played against lackluster DB's, but he got open, caught the ball and flashed some serious talent. There is not a player--not a single one, that can't be knocked in some way pre-draft. Crabby is a baller and that makes for a good risk, not a bad one. Vs Texas, that DB was all over him. Crabtree made the play and thats clutch. Thats a good thing - Herm Edwards 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Per NFLN, stress fracture in foot, needs surgery, out 10 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryno the Jet Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Crabtree has stress - fracture out ten weeks! ' NFL network just reported live at the combine! Edit: Damn, slow fingers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted February 21, 2009 Author Share Posted February 21, 2009 Per NFLN, stress fracture in foot, needs surgery, out 10 weeks. Yep. They were talking about how Jonathan Stewart had the exact same injury and look what happened there. I really do hope teams pass on Crabtree because of this injury and because he didn't run this week at the Combine so that the Jets can STEAL him at 17. That would be fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFanBird Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Crabtree has stress - fracture out ten weeks! ' NFL network just reported live at the combine! Edit: Damn, slow fingers! Wow, you can't help but feel bad when that happens. Where do you guys think this leaves him? Still a top pick??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryno the Jet Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Vs Texas, that DB was all over him. Crabtree made the play and thats clutch. Watch it again. The first DB goes for the ball with one hand, and the other completely misses the play. It was a decent catch, but he should have never scored. It was not a great play by any means. It was poor defense. Just like his entire career, the DBs in the Big 12 suck for the most part. <object width="480" height="295"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaN_ce47MOY&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaN_ce47MOY&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="295"></embed></object> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InstantClassic Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Crabtree is elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Watch it again. The first DB goes for the ball with one hand, and the other completely misses the play. It was a decent catch, but he should have never scored. It was not a great play by any means. It was poor defense. Just like his entire career, the DBs in the Big 12 suck for the most part. Cmon Man, he was covered. Great throw, but the game was on the line with 8 seconds remaining, vs a team who at that time was talked about as the top team in the Nation and you make that play? I've seen Marvin Harrison make similar plays on Eliis Hobbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 He was never that good and with all this now, I could see him there at 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergen Jet Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 His 40 time is very important, that is why people are questioning him not running at the combine. Look at Mike Williams from 05 for instance. He was a beast at USC. He was projected top 3 pre-combine. Ran slow and scared everyone, save the Lions, away. How has that worked out? You don't think being forced to sit out an entire year had anything to do with Mike Williams as a pro? I honestly feel that contributed greatly to what happened to him as a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Unless something bad happens to him there is no way in hell Crabtree falls lower then 10. If he's on the board after the 5th pick teams are going to trade up to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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