***Official JN Jay Cutler Talk - All Jay, All Day*** [Merged 49X]

[afosomf]

jets fans would turn on cutler faster than they turned on favre

-truth-

no way

With Cutler, Titletown is a callin

[Aten]

I think this is one of your 'I have no clue but if I sound confident it's like the ****ing jedi mind trick' routines.

I thought it was a fairly straightforward rhetorical question.

(The answer is yes.)

[Gainzo]

no way

With Cutler, Titletown is a callin

So the Jets will win the Super Bowl with a guy who has a career losing record and has never been to the playoffs?

[afosomf]

So the Jets will win the Super Bowl with a guy who has a career losing record and has never been to the playoffs?

yep

put that in your pipe and smoke it

GO Cats GO!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gainzo]

GO Cats GO!!!!!!!!!!!

You prick!

[lancemehl]

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[leonwash29]

Owner Pat Bowlen acknowledged Sunday that he's disappointed" in Jay Cutler and says the Broncos "might lose our star quarterback."

"I'm disappointed in the whole picture," Bowlen said, also confirming that he steadfastly supports coach Josh McDaniels' handling of the situation. Sources tell the Denver Post that Cutler won't show for offseason conditioning, and the paper suggests that he may even be asking for a new contract as a sign of "commitment." The Broncos have taken a hard-line approach this far, so it seems unlikely that Cutler would get that wish. Cutler will forfeit a $100,000 workout bonus by failing to show on Monday.

The Broncos believing that he will be traded if Denver finds "the right deal" between now and the April 25 NFL Draft.Source: Denver Post Rotoworld

Our first rounder and a conditional should be enough for him, that makes our only need wr and de, theres no reason we shouldnt consider this.

[Larz]

Owner Pat Bowlen acknowledged Sunday that he's disappointed" in Jay Cutler and says the Broncos "might lose our star quarterback."

"I'm disappointed in the whole picture," Bowlen said, also confirming that he steadfastly supports coach Josh McDaniels' handling of the situation. Sources tell the Denver Post that Cutler won't show for offseason conditioning, and the paper suggests that he may even be asking for a new contract as a sign of "commitment." The Broncos have taken a hard-line approach this far, so it seems unlikely that Cutler would get that wish. Cutler will forfeit a $100,000 workout bonus by failing to show on Monday.

The Broncos believing that he will be traded if Denver finds "the right deal" between now and the April 25 NFL Draft.Source: Denver Post Rotoworld

Our first rounder and a conditional should be enough for him, that makes our only need wr and de, theres no reason we shouldnt consider this.

if this is true, and it seems like speculation, then it's obvious this has been driven by money all along.

bowlens comments are just a message to his agent that he won't redo the deal

the only trade scenarios I see happening here are these; to the browns for quinn and picks, or to the lions for the #1 pick

it's a pipe dream to think he'll be traded for the #17 pick alone

the broncos have to get a QB in return, or the ability to draft any QB in the draft

it's a weak QB crop this year, so the browns rumored deal is the most likely

remember jets fans, he is looking for a bigger deal, and we'd have to give up the #17 AND more for him

17-20 as a starter, 42 turnovers in 37 games

pass

[TheShow]

3 years from now Cutler will be the New Peyton. he's got the brightest future out of all the qbs in the league. if there is any way at all we can get him we must! if u can get a franchise QB we have to do it! he's young and great! could wear green for the next 10 years. and a few rings to go with it I'm sure.

[Favorite_Toon]

3 years from now Cutler will be the New Peyton. he's got the brightest future out of all the qbs in the league. if there is any way at all we can get him we must! if u can get a franchise QB we have to do it! he's young and great! could wear green for the next 10 years. and a few rings to go with it I'm sure.

I agree... I would give our first this year and next years...

[TheShow]

I agree... I would give our first this year and next years...

sounds like a good deal to me! do it now tanny!

[JoeWillie]

From KKTV in Colorodo ... posted earlier this evening:

"Our sister station in Denver CBS4 has learned that disgruntled Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler will not report for the team's voluntary workout on Monday. Cutler and his agent met with the Broncos yesterday where no progress was made between the quarterback and his new head coach."

From bad to worse for the Broncos.

[leonwash29]

that is probably too much, our first and next years second sounds fair even sending kellen in the deal wouldnt hurt lol we would still be able to get a quality wr in round 2

[lancemehl]

I agree... I would give our first this year and next years...

Yes sir.

But since that ain't happening and REX has IRON ballls going in with these three, i will say that Schotty KNOWS RATLIFF has it!

6'4" 240, I'll repeat that 6'4" 240 great arm, plays great under pressure(and if you think these UFA aren't feeling pressure in the 4th quarter of an NFL preseason game, you're DEAD wrong.

We MUST believe he and Rex know something, and it obviously ain't Clemens,so....use the old noodle.

Ratliff is our Ace up the sleeve.

Or I'm wrong and we are waiting for Favre back or Leftwich or they are in love with Sanchez, there it is, facts, nothing but the facts,Ma'am.

[leonwash29]

i am def not against brett but this is a good opportunity to get a legit young qb

[Sperm Edwards]

if this is true, and it seems like speculation, then it's obvious this has been driven by money all along.

bowlens comments are just a message to his agent that he won't redo the deal

the only trade scenarios I see happening here are these; to the browns for quinn and picks, or to the lions for the #1 pick

it's a pipe dream to think he'll be traded for the #17 pick alone

the broncos have to get a QB in return, or the ability to draft any QB in the draft

it's a weak QB crop this year, so the browns rumored deal is the most likely

remember jets fans, he is looking for a bigger deal, and we'd have to give up the #17 AND more for him

17-20 as a starter, 42 turnovers in 37 games

pass

You failed to mention his 57 TD's in his first 37 games, but that's understandable. He's way off the mark from crappola Peyton Manning, who had 57 TD's in his first 36 games.

Manning, by the way, started out 3-13 with an NFL-leading 28 interceptions in his first 16 games. The Colts were fools to not cut bait at that time. Fools, I tell you.

Troy Aikman's first 3 seasons (38 games):

31 TD's

46 interceptions (that's 9 more than Cutler despite attempting 165 fewer passes)

14-24 record

Clearly, Dallas should have gone with Steve Walsh.

Steve Young's first couple of seasons with Tampa Bay (19 games):

11 TD's

21 INT"s

3-16 record

The Bucs were right to get rid of him. Vinny was simply the awesomist after they traded Young away.

If Cutler is available to us (which he probably isn't), we go get him. Our next two firsts and any QB's they want from our roster - I would do that in my sleep.

I simply do not understand your disdain for this player. We don't even have to go through those first 2-3 years' growing pains with a new NFL QB. Denver already took care of that. He's not the best QB in the NFL. But he's plenty good & is a sure thing who is likely only going to get better. Right now we have two enormous question-marks and people want to draft another one even rawer the two we have.

Frankly, we should have taken him when we had the chance. Now that we (potentially) get a 2nd chance on an error in drafting judgment people are advocating keeping Kellen Clemens, Brett Ratliff, Erik Ainge and/or drafting Mark Sanchez who (with some luck) is 3 years away from being a solid NFL starter?

Young, NFL-ready franchise QB's don't grow on trees. Suddenly, one actually is. And people are still saying, "Meh. No thanks."

[aec4]

Yes sir.

But since that ain't happening and REX has IRON ballls going in with these three, i will say that Schotty KNOWS RATLIFF has it!

6'4" 240, I'll repeat that 6'4" 240 great arm, plays great under pressure(and if you think these UFA aren't feeling pressure in the 4th quarter of an NFL preseason game, you're DEAD wrong.

We MUST believe he and Rex know something, and it obviously ain't Clemens,so....use the old noodle.

Ratliff is our Ace up the sleeve.

Or I'm wrong and we are waiting for Favre back or Leftwich or they are in love with Sanchez, there it is, facts, nothing but the facts,Ma'am.

And if you think the pressure in a preseason game will feel 1/10th of what a regular season game would feel like, you're DEAD wrong.

#17 + a conditional pick next year, that can be a #1.. In a heartbeat.

[124]

I love how its "obviously not" Clemens when former players said that he would've started over Pennington in 2008 if it werent for the aquistion of Brett Favre (David Bowens being the most notable one when he said those EXACT words on Sirius NFL radio a few weeks ago). And he also said how he believes Clemens will be great while Ratliff is more like Sage Rosenfels.

Fact is, Ratliff has shown nothing, Clemens has shown that he can take a hit and avoid pressure behind the worst OLine, or bottom 5 OLines, in the NFL.

Oh, and beat #1 D's like Pittsburgh and bring his team into OT when his D lets up 300 yards... on the ground alone!

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[JoeC36]

I love how its "obviously not" Clemens when former players said that he would've started over Pennington in 2008 if it werent for the aquistion of Brett Favre (David Bowens being the most notable one when he said those EXACT words on Sirius NFL radio a few weeks ago). And he also said how he believes Clemens will be great while Ratliff is more like Sage Rosenfels.

Fact is, Ratliff has shown nothing, Clemens has shown that he can take a hit and avoid pressure behind the worst OLine, or bottom 5 OLines, in the NFL.

Oh, and beat #1 D's like Pittsburgh and bring his team into OT when his D lets up 300 yards... on the ground alone!

so does this mean your not on the brett ratliff bandwagon???

[Ghost]

I'm down to trade for this guy.

[CTM]

You failed to mention his 57 TD's in his first 37 games, but that's understandable. He's way off the mark from crappola Peyton Manning, who had 57 TD's in his first 36 games.

Manning, by the way, started out 3-13 with an NFL-leading 28 interceptions in his first 16 games. The Colts were fools to not cut bait at that time. Fools, I tell you.

Troy Aikman's first 3 seasons (38 games):

31 TD's

46 interceptions (that's 9 more than Cutler despite attempting 165 fewer passes)

14-24 record

Clearly, Dallas should have gone with Steve Walsh.

Steve Young's first couple of seasons with Tampa Bay (19 games):

11 TD's

21 INT"s

3-16 record

The Bucs were right to get rid of him. Vinny was simply the awesomist after they traded Young away.

If Cutler is available to us (which he probably isn't), we go get him. Our next two firsts and any QB's they want from our roster - I would do that in my sleep.

I simply do not understand your disdain for this player. We don't even have to go through those first 2-3 years' growing pains with a new NFL QB. Denver already took care of that. He's not the best QB in the NFL. But he's plenty good & is a sure thing who is likely only going to get better. Right now we have two enormous question-marks and people want to draft another one even rawer the two we have.

Frankly, we should have taken him when we had the chance. Now that we (potentially) get a 2nd chance on an error in drafting judgment people are advocating keeping Kellen Clemens, Brett Ratliff, Erik Ainge and/or drafting Mark Sanchez who (with some luck) is 3 years away from being a solid NFL starter?

Young, NFL-ready franchise QB's don't grow on trees. Suddenly, one actually is. And people are still saying, "Meh. No thanks."

what he said. Are you people nuts!!!

[124]

what he said. Are you people nuts!!!

Yes because 90% of the anti-Cutler are pro-Ratliff.

[aec4]

That's just flat out wrong.

I agree, I think it's time for 124 to take a timeout

[JoeWillie]

Yes because 90% of the anti-Cutler are pro-Ratliff.

I'm pro-Ratliff, but I'm not crazy enough to say I'd rather have an unproven QB then a 26 year old franchise QB who's already played in 1 Pro-Bowl and has put up the numbers Cutler has.

I do this deal if it's there.

[Sperm Edwards]

I'm pro-whoever-in-hindsight-was-or-would-have-been-the-best-QB-for-the-Jets.

Hopefully it's someone we have or someone we get. I really don't give a crap if it's Clemens, Ratliff, Ainge, Sanchez, Cutler, or 41 year-old Browning Nagle.

[BroadwayJoe12]

I'm pro-whoever-in-hindsight-was-or-would-have-been-the-best-QB-for-the-Jets.

Hopefully it's someone we have or someone we get. I really don't give a crap if it's Clemens, Ratliff, Ainge, Sanchez, Cutler, or 41 year-old Browning Nagle.

I definitely see your point, but I would have to be totally disinclined to acquiesce on Browning Nagle, I despise that man (pirates of the carribean was on, it kind of just came off my fingers). That's also if we are lucky to get him, I keep seeing that talentless assbag playing in those golf proams.

[CTM]

Yes because 90% of the anti-Cutler are pro-Ratliff.

the ratliff thing is weird, starting to remind me of the Chad thing, which is perverse..

I'm hoping we get Cutler in here, if not, I hope Clemens wins cause fan boys wear my patience. Ultimately though, I really don't care and just hope to see some win the job rather then having a winner by default..

[Thai Jet]

if this is true, and it seems like speculation, then it's obvious this has been driven by money all along.

bowlens comments are just a message to his agent that he won't redo the deal

the only trade scenarios I see happening here are these; to the browns for quinn and picks, or to the lions for the #1 pick

it's a pipe dream to think he'll be traded for the #17 pick alone

the broncos have to get a QB in return, or the ability to draft any QB in the draft

it's a weak QB crop this year, so the browns rumored deal is the most likely

remember jets fans, he is looking for a bigger deal, and we'd have to give up the #17 AND more for him

17-20 as a starter, 42 turnovers in 37 games

pass

Cleveland makes sense with the extra QB. Perhaps a 3 way deal ?

[PS17]

You failed to mention his 57 TD's in his first 37 games, but that's understandable. He's way off the mark from crappola Peyton Manning, who had 57 TD's in his first 36 games.

Manning, by the way, started out 3-13 with an NFL-leading 28 interceptions in his first 16 games. The Colts were fools to not cut bait at that time. Fools, I tell you.

Troy Aikman's first 3 seasons (38 games):

31 TD's

46 interceptions (that's 9 more than Cutler despite attempting 165 fewer passes)

14-24 record

Clearly, Dallas should have gone with Steve Walsh.

Steve Young's first couple of seasons with Tampa Bay (19 games):

11 TD's

21 INT"s

3-16 record

The Bucs were right to get rid of him. Vinny was simply the awesomist after they traded Young away.

If Cutler is available to us (which he probably isn't), we go get him. Our next two firsts and any QB's they want from our roster - I would do that in my sleep.

I simply do not understand your disdain for this player. We don't even have to go through those first 2-3 years' growing pains with a new NFL QB. Denver already took care of that. He's not the best QB in the NFL. But he's plenty good & is a sure thing who is likely only going to get better. Right now we have two enormous question-marks and people want to draft another one even rawer the two we have.

Frankly, we should have taken him when we had the chance. Now that we (potentially) get a 2nd chance on an error in drafting judgment people are advocating keeping Kellen Clemens, Brett Ratliff, Erik Ainge and/or drafting Mark Sanchez who (with some luck) is 3 years away from being a solid NFL starter?

Young, NFL-ready franchise QB's don't grow on trees. Suddenly, one actually is. And people are still saying, "Meh. No thanks."

POTW.

[SMC]

I'm definately in favor of trading for Cutler.

I just think the deal can get done with less than 2 1st rounders.

Plus, people are being naive if they don't think Cutler will demand a new contract from the team he is traded to. Thus, this notion that the Jets would be getting Cutler with 3 years left on his deal are dreaming IMO.

[Ghost]

Lets face it guys, Jay Cutler is not coming here.

[Bleedin Green]

I'm definately in favor of trading for Cutler.

I just think the deal can get done with less than 2 1st rounders.

Plus, people are being naive if they don't think Cutler will demand a new contract from the team he is traded to. Thus, this notion that the Jets would be getting Cutler with 3 years left on his deal are dreaming IMO.

Oh, no doubt. If Cutler gets moved he's going to be demanding top dollar in a contract from his new team. So the question is that is he worth all of that plus whatever a team would have to give up in a trade. When you consider his ability, you consider his age and you consider the overall poor quality of QB play in today's NFL, I would say absolutely. If the Jets could get this done I'd tell them to do it every time. The only problem is with a team looking to win with defense, have a run-oriented offense and is awfully thin at WR, I don't exactly see where the young gunslinger fits into the plans.

[Thai Jet]

Oh, no doubt. If Cutler gets moved he's going to be demanding top dollar in a contract from his new team. So the question is that is he worth all of that plus whatever a team would have to give up in a trade. When you consider his ability, you consider his age and you consider the overall poor quality of QB play in today's NFL, I would say absolutely. If the Jets could get this done I'd tell them to do it every time. The only problem is with a team looking to win with defense, have a run-oriented offense and is awfully thin at WR, I don't exactly see where the young gunslinger fits into the plans.

With the team we have now.............he doesn't .

[Blackout]

let's trade for Cutler and then trade him and to Baltimore for Flacco and Ed Reed

eh?

[Sperm Edwards]

I'm definately in favor of trading for Cutler.

I just think the deal can get done with less than 2 1st rounders.

Plus, people are being naive if they don't think Cutler will demand a new contract from the team he is traded to. Thus, this notion that the Jets would be getting Cutler with 3 years left on his deal are dreaming IMO.

He's due a $16M in roster bonuses on his current deal anyway ($4M next year, $12M in 2011). If we stuck with either Ratliff or Clemens and they were anywhere near as good as Cutler either would be in line for a new contract paying $10M/yr starting next year anyway.