CoachTsurfing Posted March 4, 2009 Author Share Posted March 4, 2009 This thread is cracking me up. 95% of Jets fans said Cassel wasn't worth a 1st round pick and now that the Pats got a 2nd rounder for him there is some kind of collusion going on. The Pats needed to clear cap space and they did it. BTW: Parcells was on the phone with Leon leading up to that Super Bowl and he broke his contract with the Pats. There was a reason the Pats received draft picks when Parcells became HC of the NYJ. I'm glad you said 95 percent. Because I was one of the 5 that thought you should have ditched Brady and kept Cassel or at least kept both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I'm glad you said 95 percent. Because I was one of the 5 that thought you should have ditched Brady and kept Cassel or at least kept both. The Pats couldn't keep both of them as the cap hit for Cassel was over $14 million. Brady is going to be back showing everyone that he is the best QB in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donboyO Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 The Pats couldn't keep both of them as the cap hit for Cassel was over $14 million. Brady is going to be back showing everyone that he gives the best head in the NFL. Fixed it for you troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Fixed it for you troll Thanks newbie. Awesome 18th post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted March 4, 2009 Author Share Posted March 4, 2009 The Pats couldn't keep both of them as the cap hit for Cassel was over $14 million. Brady is going to be back showing everyone that he is the best QB in the NFL. It sucks to have two really good qb's and paying them both top 5 cash. So who do you choose? Cassel might not have the rep that Brady does, but he's younger. I'm telling you now, Cassel will have just as good if not better then Brady. Had he stayed with the Pats I could have seen him having a better career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Yeah, you ended up with superbowls & we got the "underrated warrior" sucking the life blood out of our salary cap. My heart goes out to you. The salary cap problems were a Parcells trademark and Martin rarely showed up for big games. I couldnt be more pleased with how things turned out and there isnt a HC in the game today or in NFL history that I'd take over Belichick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 It sucks to have two really good qb's and paying them both top 5 cash. So who do you choose? Cassel might not have the rep that Brady does, but he's younger. I'm telling you now, Cassel will have just as good if not better then Brady. Had he stayed with the Pats I could have seen him having a better career. I hope you are kidding. Cassel is nowhere near as good as Brady. When Cassel wins 3 Super Bowls and throws 50 TDs in a season please give me a call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I hope you are kidding. Cassel is nowhere near as good as Brady. When Cassel wins 3 Super Bowls and throws 50 TDs in a season please give me a call. When is Madden 2010 coming out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted March 4, 2009 Author Share Posted March 4, 2009 I hope you are kidding. Cassel is nowhere near as good as Brady. When Cassel wins 3 Super Bowls and throws 50 TDs in a season please give me a call. He isn't as good because he hasn't had the game time, but he will be just as if not better then Brady. Better had he stayed with the Pats. Just as good arm, runs better, made good, but not great decisions, just needs the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 The choice between the two was obvious. Cassel isn't a top 5 QB so why should he make top 5 money? I said it in another thread somewhere; how many FA did they miss out on? They could have easily waited for the best deal because dealing him early didn't get them anything. There's obviously something else behind this deal. At the very least it's a helping hand for Pioli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 The choice between the two was obvious. Cassel isn't a top 5 QB so why should he make top 5 money? I said it in another thread somewhere; how many FA did they miss out on? They could have easily waited for the best deal because dealing him early didn't get them anything. There's obviously something else behind this deal. At the very least it's a helping hand for Pioli. There is nothing else behind the deal. The Pats got the 34th pick in the draft. The Pats needed to clear cap space and they did it. Vrabel was a cap hit and trading him was much better than cutting him as KC takes on his salary. The trade gave the Pats $20 million in cap room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PFSIKH Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 The choice between the two was obvious. Cassel isn't a top 5 QB so why should he make top 5 money? I said it in another thread somewhere; how many FA did they miss out on? They could have easily waited for the best deal because dealing him early didn't get them anything. There's obviously something else behind this deal. At the very least it's a helping hand for Pioli. That is the point. The Patriots were only 2-3 million under the cap before the trade. Vrabel was traded a day before before Cassel and on the first day of FA. I am making an assumption, but I am guessing the parameters of the trade for Cassel were already in place. Within hours of Vrabel's trade, the Patriots announced Taylor signing. Baker and Sanders signings quickly followed. Trading vs cutting him nets the Patriots nothing, but they control where he goes. He isn't as good because he hasn't had the game time, but he will be just as if not better then Brady. Better had he stayed with the Pats. Just as good arm, runs better, made good, but not great decisions, just needs the chance. Are you serious? I like Cassel and I am thankful he made the season watchable, but Brady is an All-Time Great. Cassel is not. He is good, but great? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Is that pic your desktop or screen saver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Is that pic your desktop or screen saver? It is the one hidden in: C:\documents and settings\124\my documents\music\New Wave\EMO\Apoplicptica\New Stuff\downloads\illegal\porn\gay\stroking stuff\Brady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 It is the one hidden in: C:\documents and settings\124\my documents\music\New Wave\EMO\Apoplicptica\New Stuff\downloads\illegal\porn\gay\stroking stuff\Brady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 The salary cap problems were a Parcells trademark and Martin rarely showed up for big games. I couldnt be more pleased with how things turned out and there isnt a HC in the game today or in NFL history that I'd take over Belichick. Martin rarely showed up for big games except the fact that he carried your O to a SB appearance in 1996. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Martin rarely showed up for big games except the fact that he carried your O to a SB appearance in 1996. Riiiiigggghhtt Bledsoe threw for 4000+ and 27 Tds, Glenn tallied 1100+ and 7 Tds, Coates was the teams 3rd leading scorer with 9 Tds. Adam V the leading scorer, but really Martin carried the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Riiiiigggghhtt Bledsoe threw for 4000+ and 27 Tds, Glenn tallied 1100+ and 7 Tds, Coates was the teams 3rd leading scorer with 9 Tds. Adam V the leading scorer, but really Martin carried the team. Bledose was terrible in postseason, Curtis carried that O. Bledsoe in 3 playoff games threw 3 TDs and 7 INTs. In those 3 games Curtis ran it 49 times for 267 yds(5.4 YPC) and 5 TDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Martin rarely showed up for big games except the fact that he carried your O to a SB appearance in 1996. Wrong. He had a big run and 166 yards against Pittsburgh, but Jax and Green Bay shut him down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 Wrong. He had a big run and 166 yards against Pittsburgh, but Jax and Green Bay shut him down. I think you're dismissing the warrior factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 Wrong. He had a big run and 166 yards against Pittsburgh, but Jax and Green Bay shut him down. He had 42 yds on 11 carries against GB, GB didn't shut him down BP foolishly relied on Bledoe's arm and it's hard on a running back when the D doesn't respect the passing game. Bledsoe did nothing that entire postseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 He had 42 yds on 11 carries against GB, GB didn't shut him down BP foolishly relied on Bledoe's arm and it's hard on a running back when the D doesn't respect the passing game. Bledsoe did nothing that entire postseason. Ok, let's look at the big picture here. He had an 18 yard run when the score was 28-14 to cut the lead to 7. Short of that one run, he was held to 10 carries and 24 yards. It was D, Special Teams and TOs that got the Patriots to the Superbowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crackbackblock Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 Wrong. He had a big run and 166 yards against Pittsburgh, but Jax and Green Bay shut him down. So you are saying that the other 10 players on the offense did their jobs flawlessly. Somehow Martin would be handed the ball and suddenly forget how to run, fall the f*** down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 So you are saying that the other 10 players on the offense did their jobs flawlessly. Somehow Martin would be handed the ball and suddenly forget how to run, fall the f*** down? Yes. Junc disagreed with 37's post and stated Martin carried the Patriots offense to the Superbowl. He did not. He had a big game against Pittsburgh and his 78 yard scamper was pretty much the knockout blow. In the next two games, the D was more the cause the Patriots won then Curtis' 30 carries for 101 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Ok, let's look at the big picture here. He had an 18 yard run when the score was 28-14 to cut the lead to 7. Short of that one run, he was held to 10 carries and 24 yards. It was D, Special Teams and TOs that got the Patriots to the Superbowl. His 18 yard run doesn't count? He wasn't used enough. He was the ONE reliable option on O. he carried a medicore QB like Bledsoe to a SB. The D and STs certainly played a major role as well but to discount what Curtis did for NE just isn't fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Short of that one run, he was held to 10 carries and 24 yards. 2.4 yac. Typical Martin in a big game. People like to spin his career like it was better than it actually was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 2.4 yac. Typical Martin in a big game. People like to spin his career like it was better than it actually was. So his 18 yd run doesn't count but you'll use his YPC from 10 carries? typical Pats fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 So his 18 yd run doesn't count but you'll use his YPC from 10 carries? typical Pats fan. And typical Jets fan nonsense with apologist attitude towards one of their heroes that they have way over blown. I bet if he was averaging more then 2.4 yards per carry and had ripped off more 18 yarders the Patriots would not have been down by two touchdowns at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 And typical Jets fan nonsense with apologist attitude towards one of their heroes that they have way over blown. I bet if he was averaging more then 2.4 yards per carry and had ripped off more 18 yarders the Patriots would not have been down by two touchdowns at that point. The man had 10 carries to that point and you are blaming him? You had a passing game no good D respected, Curtis ended up w/ nearly 4 YPC. It's unfair to minimize Curtis' contribution. No one is saying we was Terrell davis in '97 or anything but w/o him you don't even have a chance in 1996. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 The man had 10 carries to that point and you are blaming him? You had a passing game no good D respected, Curtis ended up w/ nearly 4 YPC. It's unfair to minimize Curtis' contribution. No one is saying we was Terrell davis in '97 or anything but w/o him you don't even have a chance in 1996. Ok, you need to be specific. You said he carried the team to the Superbowl. No. He contributed over the length of the season and had the big game against the Steelers in the playoffs. This was a passing team and Curtis contributed to this as well, but he was not the key to the offense like Davis or Emmitt. Drew was the straw that stirred the drink. If he struggled, like the playoffs, the team's offense was very average. And Curtis more often then not was not at that level to raise the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Ok, you need to be specific. You said he carried the team to the Superbowl. No. He contributed over the length of the season and had the big game against the Steelers in the playoffs. This was a passing team and Curtis contributed to this as well, but he was not the key to the offense like Davis or Emmitt. Drew was the straw that stirred the drink. If he struggled, like the playoffs, the team's offense was very average. And Curtis more often then not was not at that level to raise the team. I said he carried the OFFENSE. The passing game was non existant b/c Bledsoe was so horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I said he carried the OFFENSE. The passing game was non existant b/c Bledsoe was so horrible. In the Pitt game it was 21-0 at the half so Drew wasn't exactly slinging it all over the place in the 2nd half. In the Jags game there was a vicious wind blowing in from the north that rendered the passing game pretty much useless. Not to mention the power outage that sucked the life out of the offense. Check out Brunell's stats from that game if you don't believe me about the weather. In the Super Bowl the Pats offense fell apart in the 2nd half. I love Curtis as much as the next guy but he didn't carry the offense anywhere. It was a team effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 In the Pitt game it was 21-0 at the half so Drew wasn't exactly slinging it all over the place in the 2nd half. In the Jags game there was a vicious wind blowing in from the north that rendered the passing game pretty much useless. Not to mention the power outage that sucked the life out of the offense. Check out Brunell's stats from that game if you don't believe me about the weather. In the Super Bowl the Pats offense fell apart in the 2nd half. I love Curtis as much as the next guy but he didn't carry the offense anywhere. It was a team effort. Exactly. Curtis is to running backs as Chad is to quarterbacks. You see his numbers and think all-time great and then when it is time to rise to the occasion they more often then not fizzle. Curtis gained 14K yards in his career putting him 4th all-time. Yet, I doubt he was the 4th best RB at any given time in his career. Chad has the 6th highest QB rating of all time and I am pretty sure the consensus is he is the 6th best Jets' QB of all -time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Exactly. Curtis is to running backs as Chad is to quarterbacks. You see his numbers and think all-time great and then when it is time to rise to the occasion they more often then not fizzle. Curtis gained 14K yards in his career putting him 4th all-time. Yet, I doubt he was the 4th best RB at any given time in his career. Chad has the 6th highest QB rating of all time and I am pretty sure the consensus is he is the 6th best Jets' QB of all -time. nyjunc picked the wrong year to claim Curtis carried the Pats offense. Curtis carried the offense in 1995 when he had over 1400 yards rushing (4.0 avg) and 14 TD's while Bledsoe only threw for 3500 yards with 13 TDs and 16 INTs while attempting 636 passes. You were a year late to the argument nyjunc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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