lancemehl Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 First of all,i'm assuming we put these millionaires through TOP NOTCH conditioning, but We have to have a way to rest Kris Jenkins. Obviously the guy needs a lot of rest. He sat out WAY too many first and second downs for my taste and for Woody's $ He should play EVERY run down and then some, BUT if he needs that type of rest, we cannot have Pouha in that 3-4 NT, it was our death for the past two years. And he makes like 2 mil or something!!!!! I hope Rex goes to the 4-3 when Jenkins is tired(which seems to be often) or grabs a better backup NT than Pouha. Another thing that blows about the 3-4, you need not one, but TWO freaks! I'm very happy that Rex runs a "hybrid" type deffense, but still, i think the Dline needs work. I'd like a little more Devito, too. He played pretty nicely when he had the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bravejamriot Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Athletic Jumbo Sized Men do not grow on trees man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Athletic Jumbo Sized Men do not grow on trees man Too tru. That's why I actually preferred the 4-3. But with the group of LB's we now have, 3-4 makes more sense. Time to draft a late round wide-body project who can play spot-duty at Nose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBeans Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Too tru. That's why I actually preferred the 4-3. But with the group of LB's we now have, 3-4 makes more sense. Time to draft a late round wide-body project who can play spot-duty at Nose. Find the biggest dude you can find in the 6th or 7th and let Rex work with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 On this Lance I'm with you 100%. I know there are many variations of the basic 3-4 that Rex has up his sleeve - but if Jenkins goes down that takes most of the arrows out of his quiver. Pouha is a turnstile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoping4ASuperBowl Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Did some quick research, what about any of these guys? Ron Brace: http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/ron-brace?id=79535#player-profile-tab-set-1:player-profile-tab-analysis Sammie Lee Hill: http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/sammie-lee-hill?id=79571#player-profile-tab-set-1:player-profile-tab-analysis Terrance Knighton, Roy Miller, Antonio Dixon, Marion Favorite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damaged89 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 If Jenkins goes down, we're screwed. 4-3 3-4 it doesn't matter. Going to a 4-3 would just let two of our crappy backups get pushed around instead of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I would have liked us to sign the guy the Giants just did from Seattle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Did some quick research, what about any of these guys? Ron Brace: http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/ron-brace?id=79535#player-profile-tab-set-1:player-profile-tab-analysis Sammie Lee Hill: http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/sammie-lee-hill?id=79571#player-profile-tab-set-1:player-profile-tab-analysis Terrance Knighton, Roy Miller, Antonio Dixon, Marion Favorite. If we want Brace we're going to have to hope he falls to us at 52, but he probably won't and even if he does, do we really want to pick a back-up player in Round 2? Lee Hill may be a guy we can steal in the 6th round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMacExchange Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 If been high on Ron Brace for a while. I would love for us to draft him. The first two days of the senor bowl practice, he was blowing everyone back. I think he looks like a perfect fit at NT. I predict that if he gets drafted by a 3/4 team that he will be very dominant. I like the sound of Sammie Lee Hill as well. I need to do some research on him. I agree that we need more dept on the line. I think that we will draft a DL on day one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 If we want Brace we're going to have to hope he falls to us at 52, but he probably won't and even if he does, do we really want to pick a back-up player in Round 2? Lee Hill may be a guy we can steal in the 6th round. But Brace really won't be a "backup" guy. He'd be in the DLine rotation. It's good value in the 2nd, better than Miller, Clemens, and Nuge was in the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Myron Pryor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 But Brace really won't be a "backup" guy. He'd be in the DLine rotation. It's good value in the 2nd, better than Miller, Clemens, and Nuge was in the 2nd. Not really. Whats the DLine rotation you speak of? Are you going to put him at DE and bench Kenyon Coleman, or play them 50/50? If so, then I could agree with taking Brace at 52, but if he's only getting 10 snaps a game then there is no way he should be taken that high for the Jets. If we plan to use him 25 times a game, go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdropOFvenom Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Not really. Whats the DLine rotation you speak of? Are you going to put him at DE and bench Kenyon Coleman, or play them 50/50? If so, then I could agree with taking Brace at 52, but if he's only getting 10 snaps a game then there is no way he should be taken that high for the Jets. If we plan to use him 25 times a game, go for it. Someone like Kris Jenkins only ends up playing something like 65% of the Snaps, as lets face it, 360 pound men don't exactly have a ton of stamina built up in them. A player like Ron Brace would be getting a good 35% of the snaps at Nose Tackle, and yeah, you could probably find him another 10 snaps a game at DE if you so chose. There is enough playing time out there to justify such a move. Ideally, I'd hope to address it later then the 2nd round, but if they like Brace I'm fine with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 answer Ron Brace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gang_green03 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 I've also been on the Ron Brace bandwagon for a while. His game translates very well to 3-4 NT and his weaknesses would be covered up to an extent in our scheme. He'd be great spelling Jenkins and rotating along the line and eventually he could take over full time NT duties when Jenkins is no longer effective. There's a good chance he goes early 2nd but he could be around for us and, depending on who we took in the 1st, deserves a very hard look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
war ensemble Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Not really. Whats the DLine rotation you speak of? Are you going to put him at DE and bench Kenyon Coleman, or play them 50/50? If so, then I could agree with taking Brace at 52, but if he's only getting 10 snaps a game then there is no way he should be taken that high for the Jets. If we plan to use him 25 times a game, go for it. Rotate him primarily as Jenkins' replacement, but also to spell Ellis or Coleman if need be. HUGE improvement over Pooh bear and he'll get a significant number of snaps. It could work but I'd like to prioritize with these picks. There's still some time in free agency and a lot will depend on who that first rounder is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22DaFuTuRe51 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Jets, Browns interested in Seattle DT Wednesday, March 04, 2009 Posted By Albert Breer 6:38 PM Seahawks DT Howard Green has drawn interest from the New York Jets and Cleveland Browns as the secondary market of free agency heats up. Green had his best season in 2004, when he started 12 games for the Saints. The 6-foot-2, 320-pounder has played for four teams in his four NFL seasons. He has experience with Jets coach Rex Ryan, who was his position coach during his year (2002) in Baltimore. He was out of the league in 2005 and '06 before breaking back in with Seattle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Jets, Browns interested in Seattle DT Wednesday, March 04, 2009 Posted By Albert Breer 6:38 PM Seahawks DT Howard Green has drawn interest from the New York Jets and Cleveland Browns as the secondary market of free agency heats up. Green had his best season in 2004, when he started 12 games for the Saints. The 6-foot-2, 320-pounder has played for four teams in his four NFL seasons. He has experience with Jets coach Rex Ryan, who was his position coach during his year (2002) in Baltimore. He was out of the league in 2005 and '06 before breaking back in with Seattle. Interesting. I wouldn't mind seeing a veteran come in when there is no real depth at the NT position in the draft. Its Brace & Raji and after that, a lot of question marks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Jets, Browns interested in Seattle DT Wednesday, March 04, 2009 Posted By Albert Breer 6:38 PM Seahawks DT Howard Green has drawn interest from the New York Jets and Cleveland Browns as the secondary market of free agency heats up. Green had his best season in 2004, when he started 12 games for the Saints. The 6-foot-2, 320-pounder has played for four teams in his four NFL seasons. He has experience with Jets coach Rex Ryan, who was his position coach during his year (2002) in Baltimore. He was out of the league in 2005 and '06 before breaking back in with Seattle. no thanks. Out of football for 2 seasons? We can just hire any fat dude at league minimum. Draft or UDFA a project. We turned Moore into a Guard from a DT. We can do something better than a chubby castoff with no upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uart Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 If we sign Green, do we cut Pouha? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 no thanks. Out of football for 2 seasons? We can just hire any fat dude at league minimum. Draft or UDFA a project. We turned Moore into a Guard from a DT. We can do something better than a chubby castoff with no upside. It wasn't the last two seasons. He's been back in the league for a couple of years. Playing the last two seasons in the NFL > UDFA. Every signing is not a starter or even a guy that has to make the team. If the price is right you bring guys in for competition and in case somebody gets hurt or disappears. Remember getting caught with our pants down when Monsanto Pope or Cedric Houston split? This guy is not going to demand huge bonus money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 Not really. Whats the DLine rotation you speak of? Are you going to put him at DE and bench Kenyon Coleman, or play them 50/50? If so, then I could agree with taking Brace at 52, but if he's only getting 10 snaps a game then there is no way he should be taken that high for the Jets. If we plan to use him 25 times a game, go for it. That d-line rotates like crazy, just the fact that Pouha is ever on the field is evidence of that. Anyone but him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 no thanks. Out of football for 2 seasons? We can just hire any fat dude at league minimum. Draft or UDFA a project. We turned Moore into a Guard from a DT. We can do something better than a chubby castoff with no upside. Any fat dude, period is better than Pouha.I made it a point to zero in on this guy every play, which was WAY too many and I'm amazed at how bad he sucks. Then I find he makes 2 million dollars this year, EXCUSE ME!!!! Yes ANY Fat dude is an upgrade over Pouha "the door mat" Plus that guy's been back for two years now, it's not like we're pulling him off the sofa with a bag of bugles in his hand, and I bet he comes cheaper that 2 mil, A.B.P!(anyone but Pouha) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Any fat dude, period is better than Pouha.I made it a point to zero in on this guy every play, which was WAY too many and I'm amazed at how bad he sucks. Then I find he makes 2 million dollars this year, EXCUSE ME!!!! Yes ANY Fat dude is an upgrade over Pouha "the door mat" Plus that guy's been back for two years now, it's not like we're pulling him off the sofa with a bag of bugles in his hand, and I bet he comes cheaper that 2 mil, A.B.P!(anyone but Pouha) He makes $1M this year and has $250K amortized from his signing bonus. Cutting him accelerates another $500K to the 2009 cap, so when the dust settles we would have $500K and a hole instead of Pouha. That hole is unlikely to be filled with a great deal less than that. Summary: Ryan will probably bring in someone to compete with Pouha and the better of the two will stick. The numbers are such that it wouldn't be a salary cap move whether Pouha stays or is cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 He makes $1M this year and has $250K amortized from his signing bonus. Cutting him accelerates another $500K to the 2009 cap, so when the dust settles we would have $500K and a hole instead of Pouha. That hole is unlikely to be filled with a great deal less than that. Summary: Ryan will probably bring in someone to compete with Pouha and the better of the two will stick. The numbers are such that it wouldn't be a salary cap move whether Pouha stays or is cut. Thanks for the correct numbers. I feel better now. Cut him, keep in on the bench, practice squad, trade, i don't care, whatever makes the most sense, just as long as he doesn't PLAY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Thanks for the correct numbers. I feel better now. Cut him, keep in on the bench, practice squad, trade, i don't care, whatever makes the most sense, just as long as he doesn't PLAY. If the backup NT doesn't play Jenkins will be completely worn out by week 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 If we sign Green, do we cut Pouha? Heck no! The Jets need more than just a 2 man rotation at NT. The Jets should sign Green and draft a NT and still keep Pouha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 If the backup NT doesn't play Jenkins will be completely worn out by week 4. Precicely. Jenkins needs to take a few snaps off ever series so he's fresh throughout the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 If the backup NT doesn't play Jenkins will be completely worn out by week 4. ohhh, sure, he sits out every other play they need a back up anyone but Pouha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 he is going into his 9th year..his back is not the greatest...we need a younger capable partner to share the load....this is extremely important, it hinges upon our entire d:box::box: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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